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Re: USRA SS Boxcars Circa 1958

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Ed,

Absolutely true. But if an RF&P car was to be regular on my small
layout, I would want to justify it by having an industry that would
receive cars regularly from the RF&P.

Thanks for the car numbers. I've made a note of them for future use.


Garth Groff

On 6/17/21, spsalso via groups.io <Edwardsutorik=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Garth,

Also being an RF&P kind of person, I will point out that an RF&P car could
have shipped product from Virginia to Points Anywhere, and then be reloaded
back to a shortline connected to RF&P.  I believe that is how it was
supposed to work.

My point is that RF&P cars weren't only for on-line shipping.

I photographed RF&P 2202, 2298 and 2187 in Oakland CA in 1975-1978.  I am
sure they were all yearning to get back to their home with good California
products.  Maybe something from Delmonte?

Ed

Edward Sutorik






Re: USRA SS Boxcars Circa 1958

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Rob,

Thanks for the photos. I see what you mean about the ends. I can also
see that Richard was right about the hat section bracing. I appreciate
having the number of a surviving car too.

I know this is heresy, but this would just be a "layout quality" car,
and I can live with small inaccuracies.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 6/16/21, Robert kirkham <rdkirkham@live.ca> wrote:
Well, personally, the Tichy 7/8 ends leave something to be desired on the
CPR car. The ribs end too far from the corners, and the top rib on the top
end panel is too close to the roof. But its subtle. The Tichy roof needs
to be upgraded - its slim edge isn’t like the CPR cars. A couple of snap
shots attached.

Rob

On Jun 16, 2021, at 4:16 PM, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
<mallardlodge1000@gmail.com> wrote:

Friends,

With three Tichy USRA SS boxcar kits in my to-do pile (really more of
a closet), I did a little digging to find which roads still rostered
these cars in more-or-less original condition circa 1958. This means I
skipped the cars rebuilt with new roofs, replacement Z-bar bracing,
steel-sided conversions, rebuilt for special service, etc. I am
limited my search to the near original cars to minimize changes to the
Tichy kits.

To do this I consulted my 1958 ORER, RPC 17, and an article by Richard
Hendrickson in MODEL RAILROADING (sorry, but I cut off the date when I
scanned this article, and the paper copy is now long gone).

Ann Arbor had 62 cars in series 90000-90149.

B&O rostered just 8 in series 187004-187444.

Chicago & North Western had a meret 4 in series 143700-144689 and
144700-145698,

Clinchfield had 79 in series 8000-8299. All 1950s photos I've seen of
these cars suggest they were in restricted online service, either
marked for "rough freight" or in freight house service (most of the
latter had a large ring painted on their doors around the restricted
service notice).

Reading rostered 26 in series 5001-5999.

RF&P had 8 cars in series 981-1130 and 9 more in series 2451-2800.

Obviously, USRA cars were pretty rare by the end our period of
interest. Many survivors were in restricted service, and others had
been heavily modified.

Additionally, Richard Hendrickson noted that Canadian Pacific had a
series of 1921 7/8-end clones (apparently with hat-shape braces,
versus the more common Z-bar clones) in series 234000-238536. There
were a whopping 3066 cars in service in 1958.

I suspect the Ann Arbor cars might have been in auto parts service, so
I would probably opt for Reading as a wild card. Thanks to a soft spot
for the RF&P, I would certainly go for one of theirs, especially if I
could find some sort of product the might be shipped regularly from
that road to my rather limited Virginia shortline. The RF&P is often
thought of as a bridge line, but they did have a number of online
shippers at Fredericksburg, plus a connecting shortline (Virginia
Central). A shippers' guide might help here.

Although Canadian cars are somewhat problematic in the US, I will
probably do one of their cars. Again, I need to find a justification
for a Canadian car in rural Virginia. Tichy sells the 7/8 ends to fit
their model, and I actually have a pair in my parts stock.

Comments are welcome.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff












Re: USRA SS Boxcars Circa 1958

Kenneth Montero
 

Tichy makes a Single-sided USRA boxcar "CP clone" kit, no 4034D w/7/8 ends, AB brakes and CP decal.

Ken Montero

On 06/16/2021 7:16 PM Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@gmail.com> wrote:


Friends,

With three Tichy USRA SS boxcar kits in my to-do pile (really more of
a closet), I did a little digging to find which roads still rostered
these cars in more-or-less original condition circa 1958. This means I
skipped the cars rebuilt with new roofs, replacement Z-bar bracing,
steel-sided conversions, rebuilt for special service, etc. I am
limited my search to the near original cars to minimize changes to the
Tichy kits.

To do this I consulted my 1958 ORER, RPC 17, and an article by Richard
Hendrickson in MODEL RAILROADING (sorry, but I cut off the date when I
scanned this article, and the paper copy is now long gone).

Ann Arbor had 62 cars in series 90000-90149.

B&O rostered just 8 in series 187004-187444.

Chicago & North Western had a meret 4 in series 143700-144689 and 144700-145698,

Clinchfield had 79 in series 8000-8299. All 1950s photos I've seen of
these cars suggest they were in restricted online service, either
marked for "rough freight" or in freight house service (most of the
latter had a large ring painted on their doors around the restricted
service notice).

Reading rostered 26 in series 5001-5999.

RF&P had 8 cars in series 981-1130 and 9 more in series 2451-2800.

Obviously, USRA cars were pretty rare by the end our period of
interest. Many survivors were in restricted service, and others had
been heavily modified.

Additionally, Richard Hendrickson noted that Canadian Pacific had a
series of 1921 7/8-end clones (apparently with hat-shape braces,
versus the more common Z-bar clones) in series 234000-238536. There
were a whopping 3066 cars in service in 1958.

I suspect the Ann Arbor cars might have been in auto parts service, so
I would probably opt for Reading as a wild card. Thanks to a soft spot
for the RF&P, I would certainly go for one of theirs, especially if I
could find some sort of product the might be shipped regularly from
that road to my rather limited Virginia shortline. The RF&P is often
thought of as a bridge line, but they did have a number of online
shippers at Fredericksburg, plus a connecting shortline (Virginia
Central). A shippers' guide might help here.

Although Canadian cars are somewhat problematic in the US, I will
probably do one of their cars. Again, I need to find a justification
for a Canadian car in rural Virginia. Tichy sells the 7/8 ends to fit
their model, and I actually have a pair in my parts stock.

Comments are welcome.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff



Re: USRA SS Boxcars Circa 1958

spsalso
 

Garth,

Also being an RF&P kind of person, I will point out that an RF&P car could have shipped product from Virginia to Points Anywhere, and then be reloaded back to a shortline connected to RF&P.  I believe that is how it was supposed to work.

My point is that RF&P cars weren't only for on-line shipping.

I photographed RF&P 2202, 2298 and 2187 in Oakland CA in 1975-1978.  I am sure they were all yearning to get back to their home with good California products.  Maybe something from Delmonte?


Ed

Edward Sutorik


Re: USRA SS Boxcars Circa 1958

Robert kirkham
 

Well, personally, the Tichy 7/8 ends leave something to be desired on the CPR car.  The ribs end too far from the corners, and the top rib on the top end panel is too close to the roof.   But its subtle.  The Tichy roof needs to be upgraded - its slim edge isn’t like the CPR cars.  A couple of snap shots attached.   

Rob

On Jun 16, 2021, at 4:16 PM, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...> wrote:

Friends,

With three Tichy USRA SS boxcar kits in my to-do pile (really more of
a closet), I did a little digging to find which roads still rostered
these cars in more-or-less original condition circa 1958. This means I
skipped the cars rebuilt with new roofs, replacement Z-bar bracing,
steel-sided conversions, rebuilt for special service, etc. I am
limited my search to the near original cars to minimize changes to the
Tichy kits.

To do this I consulted my 1958 ORER, RPC 17, and an article by Richard
Hendrickson in MODEL RAILROADING (sorry, but I cut off the date when I
scanned this article, and the paper copy is now long gone).

Ann Arbor had 62 cars in series 90000-90149.

B&O rostered just 8 in series 187004-187444.

Chicago & North Western had a meret 4 in series 143700-144689 and 144700-145698,

Clinchfield had 79 in series 8000-8299. All 1950s photos I've seen of
these cars suggest they were in restricted online service, either
marked for "rough freight" or in freight house service (most of the
latter had a large ring painted on their doors around the restricted
service notice).

Reading rostered 26 in series 5001-5999.

RF&P had 8 cars in series 981-1130 and 9 more in series 2451-2800.

Obviously, USRA cars were pretty rare by the end our period of
interest. Many survivors were in restricted service, and others had
been heavily modified.

Additionally, Richard Hendrickson noted that Canadian Pacific had a
series of 1921 7/8-end clones (apparently with hat-shape braces,
versus the more common Z-bar clones) in series 234000-238536. There
were a whopping 3066 cars in service in 1958.

I suspect the Ann Arbor cars might have been in auto parts service, so
I would probably opt for Reading as a wild card. Thanks to a soft spot
for the RF&P, I would certainly go for one of theirs, especially if I
could find some sort of product the might be shipped regularly from
that road to my rather limited Virginia shortline. The RF&P is often
thought of as a bridge line, but they did have a number of online
shippers at Fredericksburg, plus a connecting shortline (Virginia
Central). A shippers' guide might help here.

Although Canadian cars are somewhat problematic in the US, I will
probably do one of their cars. Again, I need to find a justification
for a Canadian car in rural Virginia. Tichy sells the 7/8 ends to fit
their model, and I actually have a pair in my parts stock.

Comments are welcome.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff







New ebay ops

Andy Carlson
 

Yes, this is why I have stopped selling on Ebay. I remember when they forced everyone onto PayPal, which they created and owned 100%. Later, after they sold it (For billions), they instituted their new payment plan through their own bank. I have reached a point with them that the advantages of selling to a huge market is contradicted by these new, mandatory sellers rules. I have still been able to add food to my table since my departure. I do still buy from them.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

On Wednesday, June 16, 2021, 4:03:40 PM PDT, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



Ebay has never had my bank information, nor would I give it to them. Maybe that's why I've not
noticed a change? I've always used Paypal to pay for things. Is this new "rule" that they want your
bank routing number in order to receive payment? That would really suck, in my opinion.

Tim O'Connor


USRA SS Boxcars Circa 1958

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Friends,

With three Tichy USRA SS boxcar kits in my to-do pile (really more of
a closet), I did a little digging to find which roads still rostered
these cars in more-or-less original condition circa 1958. This means I
skipped the cars rebuilt with new roofs, replacement Z-bar bracing,
steel-sided conversions, rebuilt for special service, etc. I am
limited my search to the near original cars to minimize changes to the
Tichy kits.

To do this I consulted my 1958 ORER, RPC 17, and an article by Richard
Hendrickson in MODEL RAILROADING (sorry, but I cut off the date when I
scanned this article, and the paper copy is now long gone).

Ann Arbor had 62 cars in series 90000-90149.

B&O rostered just 8 in series 187004-187444.

Chicago & North Western had a meret 4 in series 143700-144689 and 144700-145698,

Clinchfield had 79 in series 8000-8299. All 1950s photos I've seen of
these cars suggest they were in restricted online service, either
marked for "rough freight" or in freight house service (most of the
latter had a large ring painted on their doors around the restricted
service notice).

Reading rostered 26 in series 5001-5999.

RF&P had 8 cars in series 981-1130 and 9 more in series 2451-2800.

Obviously, USRA cars were pretty rare by the end our period of
interest. Many survivors were in restricted service, and others had
been heavily modified.

Additionally, Richard Hendrickson noted that Canadian Pacific had a
series of 1921 7/8-end clones (apparently with hat-shape braces,
versus the more common Z-bar clones) in series 234000-238536. There
were a whopping 3066 cars in service in 1958.

I suspect the Ann Arbor cars might have been in auto parts service, so
I would probably opt for Reading as a wild card. Thanks to a soft spot
for the RF&P, I would certainly go for one of theirs, especially if I
could find some sort of product the might be shipped regularly from
that road to my rather limited Virginia shortline. The RF&P is often
thought of as a bridge line, but they did have a number of online
shippers at Fredericksburg, plus a connecting shortline (Virginia
Central). A shippers' guide might help here.

Although Canadian cars are somewhat problematic in the US, I will
probably do one of their cars. Again, I need to find a justification
for a Canadian car in rural Virginia. Tichy sells the 7/8 ends to fit
their model, and I actually have a pair in my parts stock.

Comments are welcome.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff


Re: ADMIN - this is not an eBay forum

Tim O'Connor
 

Jeff

Oops! Sorry. I thought the sheriff had retired... long time no hear from!

:-P

On 6/16/2021 1:39 PM, Aley, Jeff A wrote:

Hi Folks,

 

               Ironically, someone asked me OFFLIST yesterday if it was okay to discuss eBay policies on RealSTMFC.  I told him NO, and he has kindly refrained.

 

               Now I see that others are bringing up eBay.  Sorry folks, our topic is Steam-Era Freight Cars.  We’re not here to talk about eBay (which could be used to buy or sell STMFC’s), nor the Post Office (which could be used to ship models) nor food (which feeds people who build models of STMFC’s), nor any other tangential topic.

 

Thanks for your cooperation.

 

-Jeff Aley

Deputy Moderator, RealSTMFC



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: New ebay ops

Tim O'Connor
 


Ebay has never had my bank information, nor would I give it to them. Maybe that's why I've not
noticed a change? I've always used Paypal to pay for things. Is this new "rule" that they want your
bank routing number in order to receive payment? That would really suck, in my opinion.

Tim O'Connor


On 6/16/2021 10:54 AM, Paul Doggett via groups.io wrote:
Clark 

According to the new eBay rules you should have the money paid into your bank account in two days. You need to contact eBay.
Paul Doggett


On 16 Jun 2021, at 15:27, Clark Propst via groups.io <cepropst@...> wrote:

I've been selling freight cars on eBay for a couple years with no issues. When listing a freight car a couple weeks ago I had to re-sign up through Google. I used to get an email saying the car sold with a link to the buyer. This time I got nothing. Had to search to see that the car sold and to whom. It's been a week and I haven't received the payment, so I haven't sent the model. 
Am I doing something wrong, or has eBay really screwed up the operation?

Clark Propst


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: New ebay ops

Tim O'Connor
 

Clark

I never log in to any web site via a third party. That's just asking for interference and problems.

But I haven't sold anything for over 18 months... I sure hope they haven't broken the service!
I have bought one or two items, and have not noticed any change.

Tim

On 6/16/2021 10:22 AM, Clark Propst via groups.io wrote:
I've been selling freight cars on eBay for a couple years with no issues. When listing a freight car a couple weeks ago I had to re-sign up through Google. I used to get an email saying the car sold with a link to the buyer. This time I got nothing. Had to search to see that the car sold and to whom. It's been a week and I haven't received the payment, so I haven't sent the model. 
Am I doing something wrong, or has eBay really screwed up the operation?

Clark Propst

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: [Plastic Freight Car Builders] CNW 87232

Tim O'Connor
 


You are correct. A typo in my notes...


On 6/15/2021 9:31 PM, BRIAN PAUL EHNI wrote:

The photo seems to show a P-S builder logo, like Clark’s build…

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 at 4:48 PM
To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] [Plastic Freight Car Builders] CNW 87232

 


CNW 71838 is from series 71000-71998 built 1941 GATC (VIKING Roof)



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: ADMIN - this is not an eBay forum

np328
 

   Thank you for posting that Jeff.                                            I'm sure quite a few of us appreciate this.          Jim Dick - St. Paul, MN 


ADMIN - this is not an eBay forum

Aley, Jeff A
 

Hi Folks,

 

               Ironically, someone asked me OFFLIST yesterday if it was okay to discuss eBay policies on RealSTMFC.  I told him NO, and he has kindly refrained.

 

               Now I see that others are bringing up eBay.  Sorry folks, our topic is Steam-Era Freight Cars.  We’re not here to talk about eBay (which could be used to buy or sell STMFC’s), nor the Post Office (which could be used to ship models) nor food (which feeds people who build models of STMFC’s), nor any other tangential topic.

 

Thanks for your cooperation.

 

-Jeff Aley

Deputy Moderator, RealSTMFC

 

 


Re: New ebay ops

O Fenton Wells
 

Besides 2 days is BS in my opinion when I was getting paid in seconds when the buyer used pay pal which most did



On Jun 16, 2021, at 1:21 PM, O Fenton Wells via groups.io <srrfan1401@...> wrote:

That’s not the way I read the eBay message. They sold it as a fast, 2 days, direct to your bank account regardless of how buyer pays minus selling fees. I felt they wanted to control paying the seller and make sure the seller paid his fees. If I didn’t know better I’d guess they were trying to stick a finger in pay pals eye
Just say’in 
Fenton 


On Jun 16, 2021, at 12:57 PM, Clark Propst via groups.io <cepropst@...> wrote:

Think I have this figured out. They say the buyer paid so you're to ship, then they give you the money when the buyer gets the goods...???
Clark Propst


Re: New ebay ops

O Fenton Wells
 

That’s not the way I read the eBay message. They sold it as a fast, 2 days, direct to your bank account regardless of how buyer pays minus selling fees. I felt they wanted to control paying the seller and make sure the seller paid his fees. If I didn’t know better I’d guess they were trying to stick a finger in pay pals eye
Just say’in 
Fenton 


On Jun 16, 2021, at 12:57 PM, Clark Propst via groups.io <cepropst@...> wrote:

Think I have this figured out. They say the buyer paid so you're to ship, then they give you the money when the buyer gets the goods...???
Clark Propst


Re: New ebay ops

Clark Propst
 

Think I have this figured out. They say the buyer paid so you're to ship, then they give you the money when the buyer gets the goods...???
Clark Propst


Re: Article: The Story of Milk Transportation By Rail

Bob Chaparro
 


Wanted images of WP 40' stock cars

Andy Carlson
 

Hello-

I am finishing up the reworked patterns for my HO Western Pacific (company rebuilt from box car in 1937) 40' Stock car.

I need at least one good image showing the reporting marks on the car body.

Any help is appreciated.
Thanks
-Andy Carlson
Ojai


Re: Rolling The Freight (1947)

jstyron
 

Thanks for posting. Great video, upbeat and confident.  A look inside various railroad operations. I loved the Potato Yard segment.
-Jay Styron


Re: Article: The Story of Milk Transportation By Rail

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Whomever made it, thanks to you, Dave!

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Parker via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 7:50 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Article: The Story of Milk Transportation By Rail

 

Can't remember if I created this PDF version, or somebody else did, but here it is.
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA

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