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Re: C&O 40ft steel gondola and a flat with removable milk containers - Renovo PA 1952

Tim O'Connor
 


Perhaps it was no longer in raw milk service?

Freight cars often have interesting experiences later in life... :-)

On 6/10/2021 7:27 PM, robert netzlof wrote:
I live not far from Renovo and I'm having trouble understanding what a milk tank car would be doing there. Perhaps it was merely passing through on its way to some place where there were cows?


A C&O 40ft steel gondola and a flat with removable milk containers -
Renovo PA 1952

https://digital.library.temple.edu/digital/collection/p16002coll26/id/4012

Enjoy!

Claus Schlund









--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: USRA SS Boxcars Circa 1958

Richard Townsend
 

Two possible products from the RF&P's home area are oak lumber and whiskey.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Sent: Thu, Jun 17, 2021 3:15 am
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] USRA SS Boxcars Circa 1958

Ed,

Absolutely true. But if an RF&P car was to be regular on my small
layout, I would want to justify it by having an industry that would
receive cars regularly from the RF&P.

Thanks for the car numbers. I've made a note of them for future use.


Garth Groff



On 6/17/21, spsalso via groups.io <Edwardsutorik=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
> Garth,
>
> Also being an RF&P kind of person, I will point out that an RF&P car could
> have shipped product from Virginia to Points Anywhere, and then be reloaded
> back to a shortline connected to RF&P.  I believe that is how it was
> supposed to work.
>
> My point is that RF&P cars weren't only for on-line shipping.
>
> I photographed RF&P 2202, 2298 and 2187 in Oakland CA in 1975-1978.  I am
> sure they were all yearning to get back to their home with good California
> products.  Maybe something from Delmonte?
>
> Ed
>
> Edward Sutorik
>
>
>
>
>
>






Re: Wanted images of WP 40' stock cars

Bob Chaparro
 

I have no date for this photo but here it is.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: C&O 40ft steel gondola and a flat with removable milk containers - Renovo PA 1952

Don Burn
 

By 1952 a number of the containers for NX flat cars had transitioned from milk. Some handled bulk orange juice and others went to Borden Chemicals for transport of various products of theirs.

Don Burn

-----Original Message-----
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] C&O 40ft steel gondola and a flat with removable milk containers - Renovo PA 1952

Yeah, but not around Renovo.

There's very little around Renovo, other than trees. A 19th century travel book called the stretch of the then Philadelphia and Erie rom Renovo westward to Ridgway "a seventy five mile tunnel through the trees"

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Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2021 11:10:20 AM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] C&O 40ft steel gondola and a flat with removable milk containers - Renovo PA 1952

That's pretty likely. There ARE cows in Penna., you know.

Schuyler

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2021 7:27 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] C&O 40ft steel gondola and a flat with removable milk containers - Renovo PA 1952

I live not far from Renovo and I'm having trouble understanding what a milk tank car would be doing there. Perhaps it was merely passing through on its way to some place where there were cows?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles Greene" <greenec1144@gmail.com>
To: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Group Moderators" <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2021 6:10:51 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] C&O 40ft steel gondola and a flat with removable milk containers - Renovo PA 1952

Now that's *rich* Pennsy railroading! Which H-subclass on the point, -8?

-Chuck

On Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 4:39 PM Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) < claus@hellgatemodels.com> wrote:

Hi List Members,

A C&O 40ft steel gondola and a flat with removable milk containers -
Renovo PA 1952

https://digital.library.temple.edu/digital/collection/p16002coll26/id/
4012

Enjoy!

Claus Schlund






--
Bob Netzlof a/k/a Sweet Old Bob









--
Bob Netzlof a/k/a Sweet Old Bob


Re: C&O 40ft steel gondola and a flat with removable milk containers - Renovo PA 1952

robert netzlof <rtnetzlof@...>
 

Yeah, but not around Renovo.

There's very little around Renovo, other than trees. A 19th century travel book called the stretch of the then Philadelphia and Erie rom Renovo westward to Ridgway "a seventy five mile tunnel through the trees"

----- Original Message -----
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To: "main" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2021 11:10:20 AM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] C&O 40ft steel gondola and a flat with removable milk containers - Renovo PA 1952

That's pretty likely. There ARE cows in Penna., you know.

Schuyler

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2021 7:27 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] C&O 40ft steel gondola and a flat with removable milk containers - Renovo PA 1952

I live not far from Renovo and I'm having trouble understanding what a milk tank car would be doing there. Perhaps it was merely passing through on its way to some place where there were cows?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles Greene" <greenec1144@gmail.com>
To: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Group Moderators" <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2021 6:10:51 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] C&O 40ft steel gondola and a flat with removable milk containers - Renovo PA 1952

Now that's *rich* Pennsy railroading! Which H-subclass on the point, -8?

-Chuck

On Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 4:39 PM Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) < claus@hellgatemodels.com> wrote:

Hi List Members,

A C&O 40ft steel gondola and a flat with removable milk containers -
Renovo PA 1952

https://digital.library.temple.edu/digital/collection/p16002coll26/id/
4012

Enjoy!

Claus Schlund






--
Bob Netzlof a/k/a Sweet Old Bob









--
Bob Netzlof a/k/a Sweet Old Bob


Re: C&O 40ft steel gondola and a flat with removable milk containers - Renovo PA 1952

Schuyler Larrabee
 

I admit to being a bit smartass about my reply, but I do know that the reach of the milk business for consumption in NYC was very, very extensive.  Port Allegany and Eldred are admittedly a stretch, but maybe at times a source, or the “milk stations over there closer to that town” could be the origin of milk to be shipped east.

 

Also, not EVERY car of milk went to NYC.  I know (but cannot give you documentation now) that some milk traffic went to Phila, Penna., and some in New Jersey.

 

I do find that https://www.dairyfoods.com/directories/7376-dairy-plants-usa shows there are, today, 42 milk plants in Penna, and suggest that a look through the 43 plants’ locations may well suggest a location that would have been in business in the era of the photo that started all this.

 

https://extension.psu.edu/pennsylvania-dairy-plant-and-raw-milk-directory which would not come up the first three times I tried it, might also provide some more insight.

 

Schuyler

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Schleigh Mike via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2021 11:24 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io; main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] C&O 40ft steel gondola and a flat with removable milk containers - Renovo PA 1952

 

Yes, Schuyler, there are cows in Penna. but not many in that neighborhood.

 

There may have been shipping sources further west and north in McKean and Potter Counties but I have never heard of it producing large bulk shipments.  Port Allegany and Eldred on the Buffalo Line are possibilities but any traffic coming to Renovo via the old P&E from Erie seems very unlikely although there were milk stations over there closer to that town.  Did any ship that far away to the east???  Good question to pursue if interested.

 

Mike Schleigh in Grove City also found in Penna.

 

On Thursday, June 17, 2021, 11:10:32 AM EDT, Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:

 

 

That's pretty likely.  There ARE cows in Penna., you know.

Schuyler

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2021 7:27 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] C&O 40ft steel gondola and a flat with removable milk containers - Renovo PA 1952

I live not far from Renovo and I'm having trouble understanding what a milk tank car would be doing there. Perhaps it was merely passing through on its way to some place where there were cows?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles Greene" <greenec1144@...>
To: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Group Moderators" <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2021 6:10:51 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] C&O 40ft steel gondola and a flat with removable milk containers - Renovo PA 1952

Now that's *rich* Pennsy railroading! Which H-subclass on the point, -8?

                -Chuck

On Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 4:39 PM Claus Schlund \(HGM\) < claus@...> wrote:

> Hi List Members,
>
> A C&O 40ft steel gondola and a flat with removable milk containers -
> Renovo PA 1952
>
> https://digital.library.temple.edu/digital/collection/p16002coll26/id/
> 4012
>
> Enjoy!
>
> Claus Schlund
>
>
>
>
>



--
Bob Netzlof a/k/a Sweet Old Bob











Re: C&O 40ft steel gondola and a flat with removable milk containers - Renovo PA 1952

Schleigh Mike
 

Yes, Schuyler, there are cows in Penna. but not many in that neighborhood.

There may have been shipping sources further west and north in McKean and Potter Counties but I have never heard of it producing large bulk shipments.  Port Allegany and Eldred on the Buffalo Line are possibilities but any traffic coming to Renovo via the old P&E from Erie seems very unlikely although there were milk stations over there closer to that town.  Did any ship that far away to the east???  Good question to pursue if interested.

Mike Schleigh in Grove City also found in Penna.

On Thursday, June 17, 2021, 11:10:32 AM EDT, Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:


That's pretty likely.  There ARE cows in Penna., you know.

Schuyler

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Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2021 7:27 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] C&O 40ft steel gondola and a flat with removable milk containers - Renovo PA 1952

I live not far from Renovo and I'm having trouble understanding what a milk tank car would be doing there. Perhaps it was merely passing through on its way to some place where there were cows?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles Greene" <greenec1144@...>
To: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Group Moderators" <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2021 6:10:51 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] C&O 40ft steel gondola and a flat with removable milk containers - Renovo PA 1952

Now that's *rich* Pennsy railroading! Which H-subclass on the point, -8?

                -Chuck

On Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 4:39 PM Claus Schlund \(HGM\) < claus@...> wrote:

> Hi List Members,
>
> A C&O 40ft steel gondola and a flat with removable milk containers -
> Renovo PA 1952
>
> https://digital.library.temple.edu/digital/collection/p16002coll26/id/
> 4012
>
> Enjoy!
>
> Claus Schlund
>
>
>
>
>



--
Bob Netzlof a/k/a Sweet Old Bob












Re: C&O 40ft steel gondola and a flat with removable milk containers - Renovo PA 1952

Schuyler Larrabee
 

That's pretty likely. There ARE cows in Penna., you know.

Schuyler

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Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2021 7:27 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] C&O 40ft steel gondola and a flat with removable milk containers - Renovo PA 1952

I live not far from Renovo and I'm having trouble understanding what a milk tank car would be doing there. Perhaps it was merely passing through on its way to some place where there were cows?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles Greene" <greenec1144@gmail.com>
To: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Group Moderators" <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2021 6:10:51 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] C&O 40ft steel gondola and a flat with removable milk containers - Renovo PA 1952

Now that's *rich* Pennsy railroading! Which H-subclass on the point, -8?

-Chuck

On Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 4:39 PM Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) < claus@hellgatemodels.com> wrote:

Hi List Members,

A C&O 40ft steel gondola and a flat with removable milk containers -
Renovo PA 1952

https://digital.library.temple.edu/digital/collection/p16002coll26/id/
4012

Enjoy!

Claus Schlund






--
Bob Netzlof a/k/a Sweet Old Bob


Re: Rapido USRA Single Sheath Boxcar announced

 
Edited

 

Thanks very much for posting this. I was about 3 roads through doing a similar canvasing myself. 


As for the C&O cars - I'm a C&O modeler and I've been doing some prep work for a kitbash of both the C&O's rebuilt USRA and the ex-HV boxcars. My current understanding is most, if not all, of the USRA were rebuilt in the early 1930s with radial roofs, along with seemingly every other C&O wood sheathed car.

 

As you mention, 800 of them were rebuilt in 1939 to an interior height of 10'0" with steel sides, Youngstown doors, and AB brakes. Several others were decapitated and placed into coke service, with others cut down for use as wheel cars.

 

I've yet to see a photo of a C&O single sheathed USRA boxcar with a shop/reweigh date after 1930 which did not have a radial roof. (The 1191 also had one.) Part of this is due to a severe lack of photos. The lone article in the C&O HS Magazine regarding these cars (Nov/Dec 2014) does not provide any further clarity regarding the roofs. It does however note that 1191 was shopped in 1931 for "major repairs", so there's always the possibility it and 632 are outliers.

 

The 1924/25-built ex-HV cars (C&O 82000-83999) went through a similar rebuild cycle. Many of them were shopped in the early 30s and received radial roofs. There's a great sequence of photos in the COHS archives showing several dozen at Raceland in various stages of undress/rebuild. These were once again rebuilt in 1941 to receive steel sides and other equipment. The newer of the 36' cars (84230-86999) also went through a similar rebuild in the early 30s where most received radial roofs.

 

So, based on those other contemporary early-mid 1930s rebuild programs, and the scant few photos available, I strongly suspect the C&O's USRA cars all received radial roofs of some form prior to the heavy rebuilds just before the war. This is still mostly conjecture, and I'd love to see evidence to the contrary. I suspect we've seen all of the photos that we'll ever see of C&O single sheathed USRA cars that were taken between the early 1930s and their retirement in 1950. 

 

 

In a way this is good for me, as there were only 8 cars left in 1947 - my earliest operating year - making them numerically irrelevant for my fleet. (And I've already got one of the Westerfield kits in the pipeline, so....)

 

--

Andy Cummings

Houston, TX


Re: C&O 40ft steel gondola and a flat with removable milk containers - Renovo PA 1952

robert netzlof <rtnetzlof@...>
 

I live not far from Renovo and I'm having trouble understanding what a milk tank car would be doing there. Perhaps it was merely passing through on its way to some place where there were cows?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles Greene" <greenec1144@gmail.com>
To: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Group Moderators" <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2021 6:10:51 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] C&O 40ft steel gondola and a flat with removable milk containers - Renovo PA 1952

Now that's *rich* Pennsy railroading! Which H-subclass on the point, -8?

-Chuck

On Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 4:39 PM Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) <
claus@hellgatemodels.com> wrote:

Hi List Members,

A C&O 40ft steel gondola and a flat with removable milk containers -
Renovo PA 1952

https://digital.library.temple.edu/digital/collection/p16002coll26/id/4012

Enjoy!

Claus Schlund






--
Bob Netzlof a/k/a Sweet Old Bob


Kits

Mark
 

Some know that I am moving to O scale. Please contact me off list at bnonut@... and I will send it to you.

Mark Morgan


Re: New ebay ops

radiodial868
 

Guess I'm the outlier here, I still crank out a ton of surplus items each month that I've accumulated. Funds my current endeavors. There's no other market with that worldwide exposure and convenience. The shipping discount alone covers much of the fees.
I rather like the new payment format. My credit union allows additional accounts for free, so I set one up and that's where all the money is directed. Since I print the shipping label and ship quickly, the shipping cost gets deducted, too. I think that is what the 2 days is for, to capture the shipping.
Just checked, the account now has enough saved into it to buy a very nice 3D Printer!
-------------------
RJ Dial

Mendocino, CA


Re: Updated 1944 USRA single sheathed cars

frograbbit602
 

Randy Thanks for sharing your color matching swatches and formulas. Color matching at times easy and other times takes a while to get the color right; however, it will/can happen.
Lester Breuer


Re: USRA SS Boxcars Circa 1958

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Ed,

Absolutely true. But if an RF&P car was to be regular on my small
layout, I would want to justify it by having an industry that would
receive cars regularly from the RF&P.

Thanks for the car numbers. I've made a note of them for future use.


Garth Groff

On 6/17/21, spsalso via groups.io <Edwardsutorik=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Garth,

Also being an RF&P kind of person, I will point out that an RF&P car could
have shipped product from Virginia to Points Anywhere, and then be reloaded
back to a shortline connected to RF&P.  I believe that is how it was
supposed to work.

My point is that RF&P cars weren't only for on-line shipping.

I photographed RF&P 2202, 2298 and 2187 in Oakland CA in 1975-1978.  I am
sure they were all yearning to get back to their home with good California
products.  Maybe something from Delmonte?

Ed

Edward Sutorik






Re: USRA SS Boxcars Circa 1958

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Rob,

Thanks for the photos. I see what you mean about the ends. I can also
see that Richard was right about the hat section bracing. I appreciate
having the number of a surviving car too.

I know this is heresy, but this would just be a "layout quality" car,
and I can live with small inaccuracies.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 6/16/21, Robert kirkham <rdkirkham@live.ca> wrote:
Well, personally, the Tichy 7/8 ends leave something to be desired on the
CPR car. The ribs end too far from the corners, and the top rib on the top
end panel is too close to the roof. But its subtle. The Tichy roof needs
to be upgraded - its slim edge isn’t like the CPR cars. A couple of snap
shots attached.

Rob

On Jun 16, 2021, at 4:16 PM, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
<mallardlodge1000@gmail.com> wrote:

Friends,

With three Tichy USRA SS boxcar kits in my to-do pile (really more of
a closet), I did a little digging to find which roads still rostered
these cars in more-or-less original condition circa 1958. This means I
skipped the cars rebuilt with new roofs, replacement Z-bar bracing,
steel-sided conversions, rebuilt for special service, etc. I am
limited my search to the near original cars to minimize changes to the
Tichy kits.

To do this I consulted my 1958 ORER, RPC 17, and an article by Richard
Hendrickson in MODEL RAILROADING (sorry, but I cut off the date when I
scanned this article, and the paper copy is now long gone).

Ann Arbor had 62 cars in series 90000-90149.

B&O rostered just 8 in series 187004-187444.

Chicago & North Western had a meret 4 in series 143700-144689 and
144700-145698,

Clinchfield had 79 in series 8000-8299. All 1950s photos I've seen of
these cars suggest they were in restricted online service, either
marked for "rough freight" or in freight house service (most of the
latter had a large ring painted on their doors around the restricted
service notice).

Reading rostered 26 in series 5001-5999.

RF&P had 8 cars in series 981-1130 and 9 more in series 2451-2800.

Obviously, USRA cars were pretty rare by the end our period of
interest. Many survivors were in restricted service, and others had
been heavily modified.

Additionally, Richard Hendrickson noted that Canadian Pacific had a
series of 1921 7/8-end clones (apparently with hat-shape braces,
versus the more common Z-bar clones) in series 234000-238536. There
were a whopping 3066 cars in service in 1958.

I suspect the Ann Arbor cars might have been in auto parts service, so
I would probably opt for Reading as a wild card. Thanks to a soft spot
for the RF&P, I would certainly go for one of theirs, especially if I
could find some sort of product the might be shipped regularly from
that road to my rather limited Virginia shortline. The RF&P is often
thought of as a bridge line, but they did have a number of online
shippers at Fredericksburg, plus a connecting shortline (Virginia
Central). A shippers' guide might help here.

Although Canadian cars are somewhat problematic in the US, I will
probably do one of their cars. Again, I need to find a justification
for a Canadian car in rural Virginia. Tichy sells the 7/8 ends to fit
their model, and I actually have a pair in my parts stock.

Comments are welcome.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff












Re: USRA SS Boxcars Circa 1958

Kenneth Montero
 

Tichy makes a Single-sided USRA boxcar "CP clone" kit, no 4034D w/7/8 ends, AB brakes and CP decal.

Ken Montero

On 06/16/2021 7:16 PM Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@gmail.com> wrote:


Friends,

With three Tichy USRA SS boxcar kits in my to-do pile (really more of
a closet), I did a little digging to find which roads still rostered
these cars in more-or-less original condition circa 1958. This means I
skipped the cars rebuilt with new roofs, replacement Z-bar bracing,
steel-sided conversions, rebuilt for special service, etc. I am
limited my search to the near original cars to minimize changes to the
Tichy kits.

To do this I consulted my 1958 ORER, RPC 17, and an article by Richard
Hendrickson in MODEL RAILROADING (sorry, but I cut off the date when I
scanned this article, and the paper copy is now long gone).

Ann Arbor had 62 cars in series 90000-90149.

B&O rostered just 8 in series 187004-187444.

Chicago & North Western had a meret 4 in series 143700-144689 and 144700-145698,

Clinchfield had 79 in series 8000-8299. All 1950s photos I've seen of
these cars suggest they were in restricted online service, either
marked for "rough freight" or in freight house service (most of the
latter had a large ring painted on their doors around the restricted
service notice).

Reading rostered 26 in series 5001-5999.

RF&P had 8 cars in series 981-1130 and 9 more in series 2451-2800.

Obviously, USRA cars were pretty rare by the end our period of
interest. Many survivors were in restricted service, and others had
been heavily modified.

Additionally, Richard Hendrickson noted that Canadian Pacific had a
series of 1921 7/8-end clones (apparently with hat-shape braces,
versus the more common Z-bar clones) in series 234000-238536. There
were a whopping 3066 cars in service in 1958.

I suspect the Ann Arbor cars might have been in auto parts service, so
I would probably opt for Reading as a wild card. Thanks to a soft spot
for the RF&P, I would certainly go for one of theirs, especially if I
could find some sort of product the might be shipped regularly from
that road to my rather limited Virginia shortline. The RF&P is often
thought of as a bridge line, but they did have a number of online
shippers at Fredericksburg, plus a connecting shortline (Virginia
Central). A shippers' guide might help here.

Although Canadian cars are somewhat problematic in the US, I will
probably do one of their cars. Again, I need to find a justification
for a Canadian car in rural Virginia. Tichy sells the 7/8 ends to fit
their model, and I actually have a pair in my parts stock.

Comments are welcome.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff



Re: USRA SS Boxcars Circa 1958

spsalso
 

Garth,

Also being an RF&P kind of person, I will point out that an RF&P car could have shipped product from Virginia to Points Anywhere, and then be reloaded back to a shortline connected to RF&P.  I believe that is how it was supposed to work.

My point is that RF&P cars weren't only for on-line shipping.

I photographed RF&P 2202, 2298 and 2187 in Oakland CA in 1975-1978.  I am sure they were all yearning to get back to their home with good California products.  Maybe something from Delmonte?


Ed

Edward Sutorik


Re: USRA SS Boxcars Circa 1958

Robert kirkham
 

Well, personally, the Tichy 7/8 ends leave something to be desired on the CPR car.  The ribs end too far from the corners, and the top rib on the top end panel is too close to the roof.   But its subtle.  The Tichy roof needs to be upgraded - its slim edge isn’t like the CPR cars.  A couple of snap shots attached.   

Rob

On Jun 16, 2021, at 4:16 PM, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...> wrote:

Friends,

With three Tichy USRA SS boxcar kits in my to-do pile (really more of
a closet), I did a little digging to find which roads still rostered
these cars in more-or-less original condition circa 1958. This means I
skipped the cars rebuilt with new roofs, replacement Z-bar bracing,
steel-sided conversions, rebuilt for special service, etc. I am
limited my search to the near original cars to minimize changes to the
Tichy kits.

To do this I consulted my 1958 ORER, RPC 17, and an article by Richard
Hendrickson in MODEL RAILROADING (sorry, but I cut off the date when I
scanned this article, and the paper copy is now long gone).

Ann Arbor had 62 cars in series 90000-90149.

B&O rostered just 8 in series 187004-187444.

Chicago & North Western had a meret 4 in series 143700-144689 and 144700-145698,

Clinchfield had 79 in series 8000-8299. All 1950s photos I've seen of
these cars suggest they were in restricted online service, either
marked for "rough freight" or in freight house service (most of the
latter had a large ring painted on their doors around the restricted
service notice).

Reading rostered 26 in series 5001-5999.

RF&P had 8 cars in series 981-1130 and 9 more in series 2451-2800.

Obviously, USRA cars were pretty rare by the end our period of
interest. Many survivors were in restricted service, and others had
been heavily modified.

Additionally, Richard Hendrickson noted that Canadian Pacific had a
series of 1921 7/8-end clones (apparently with hat-shape braces,
versus the more common Z-bar clones) in series 234000-238536. There
were a whopping 3066 cars in service in 1958.

I suspect the Ann Arbor cars might have been in auto parts service, so
I would probably opt for Reading as a wild card. Thanks to a soft spot
for the RF&P, I would certainly go for one of theirs, especially if I
could find some sort of product the might be shipped regularly from
that road to my rather limited Virginia shortline. The RF&P is often
thought of as a bridge line, but they did have a number of online
shippers at Fredericksburg, plus a connecting shortline (Virginia
Central). A shippers' guide might help here.

Although Canadian cars are somewhat problematic in the US, I will
probably do one of their cars. Again, I need to find a justification
for a Canadian car in rural Virginia. Tichy sells the 7/8 ends to fit
their model, and I actually have a pair in my parts stock.

Comments are welcome.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff







New ebay ops

Andy Carlson
 

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Ojai CA

On Wednesday, June 16, 2021, 4:03:40 PM PDT, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



Ebay has never had my bank information, nor would I give it to them. Maybe that's why I've not
noticed a change? I've always used Paypal to pay for things. Is this new "rule" that they want your
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USRA SS Boxcars Circa 1958

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Friends,

With three Tichy USRA SS boxcar kits in my to-do pile (really more of
a closet), I did a little digging to find which roads still rostered
these cars in more-or-less original condition circa 1958. This means I
skipped the cars rebuilt with new roofs, replacement Z-bar bracing,
steel-sided conversions, rebuilt for special service, etc. I am
limited my search to the near original cars to minimize changes to the
Tichy kits.

To do this I consulted my 1958 ORER, RPC 17, and an article by Richard
Hendrickson in MODEL RAILROADING (sorry, but I cut off the date when I
scanned this article, and the paper copy is now long gone).

Ann Arbor had 62 cars in series 90000-90149.

B&O rostered just 8 in series 187004-187444.

Chicago & North Western had a meret 4 in series 143700-144689 and 144700-145698,

Clinchfield had 79 in series 8000-8299. All 1950s photos I've seen of
these cars suggest they were in restricted online service, either
marked for "rough freight" or in freight house service (most of the
latter had a large ring painted on their doors around the restricted
service notice).

Reading rostered 26 in series 5001-5999.

RF&P had 8 cars in series 981-1130 and 9 more in series 2451-2800.

Obviously, USRA cars were pretty rare by the end our period of
interest. Many survivors were in restricted service, and others had
been heavily modified.

Additionally, Richard Hendrickson noted that Canadian Pacific had a
series of 1921 7/8-end clones (apparently with hat-shape braces,
versus the more common Z-bar clones) in series 234000-238536. There
were a whopping 3066 cars in service in 1958.

I suspect the Ann Arbor cars might have been in auto parts service, so
I would probably opt for Reading as a wild card. Thanks to a soft spot
for the RF&P, I would certainly go for one of theirs, especially if I
could find some sort of product the might be shipped regularly from
that road to my rather limited Virginia shortline. The RF&P is often
thought of as a bridge line, but they did have a number of online
shippers at Fredericksburg, plus a connecting shortline (Virginia
Central). A shippers' guide might help here.

Although Canadian cars are somewhat problematic in the US, I will
probably do one of their cars. Again, I need to find a justification
for a Canadian car in rural Virginia. Tichy sells the 7/8 ends to fit
their model, and I actually have a pair in my parts stock.

Comments are welcome.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

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