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Re: Loads for stock cars

Bob Chaparro
 

Commodities Shipped In Livestock Cars

So far I have documented these commodities. I’m sure there were others.

Bob Chaparro

Moderator

Railway Bull Shippers Group

https://groups.io/g/RailwayBullShippersGroup

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Bricks

Cabbages

Coal - A lot of coal in stock cars, in the Rocky Mountain States, as late as WWII

Coke - Beehive Oven as late as WWII

Corn Cobs

Dunnage Bulkheads (For boxcars)

Firewood

Freight Car Wheels

Grain (with car lining)

Grain Doors

Hay

Ice - Some photos were posted on the D&RGW Facebook site showing pond ice loading in stock cars in the early 1960s

Lumber

Pipe - Clay

Potatoes - Bagged

Pulpwood

Railroad Ties - Treated and untreated

Rails

Sewer Lids

Sewer Pipe -Ceramic

Straw

Sugar Beets

Tile

Tires

Tomatoes

Watermelons


Book On Union Pacific Livestock Cars?

Bob Chaparro
 

Book On Union Pacific Livestock Cars?

Does anyone recall a book on this topic?

If not, can anyone suggest a book on UP freight cars that has good coverage of their livestock cars?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: HO ASF A-3 Ride Control Truck

Tim O'Connor
 

Brian

Happy, but NOT satisfied - Tangent's new trucks have rotating roller bearing caps! These
(in my opinion) are a useless and problematic feature for HO scale models.

I still have lots of Kato trucks and 0.950 semiscale Reboxx wheels for them. :-)

Tim O'Connor


On 6/19/2021 10:01 PM, brianleppert@... wrote:

Brian,
Check out Tangent's newest releases of PS-1 combination door box cars.  He's doing  50-ton solid-bearing Barber S-2 spring plankless trucks, ASF 50-ton A-3 Ride Control trucks and A-3 50-ton roller bearing trucks.  His wheelsets fit my trucks.

I hope he will sell enough separately to fill a large demand for years to come.  Tim O'Conner should be happy.

Brian Leppert
Tahoe Model Works
Carson City, NV



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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: [RailwayBullShippersGroup] Kingan (KRLX) 943 Restoration Update

Benjamin Hom
 

Marty Young wrote:
"looks like Arch Bar to me."

No.  Recommend you review this article and reconsider.


Ben Hom


Re: Photo: Saratoga & Encampment Railway Boxcar 322 (1913)

Jerry Michels
 

Thanks Tim. The line to Encampment was gone or mostly gone by the 1970s when I was there. The Woodchoppers Jamboree was interesting.  Mainly a large crowd of University of Wyoming students drinking beer and smoking pot.  I often wonder about a family coming to the Janboree on their 'vacation' and deciding to go to the jamboree!  


Re: C&O 40ft steel gondola and a flat with removable milk containers - Renovo PA 1952

Peter Westphal
 

Lots of MILK potential on the PRR north or west of Renovo.  Merrel-Soule co, absorbed by Borden in 1928 pioneered condensed milk and had processing at Arcade, NY (Buffalo Line) as well as Union City, PA (Erie Line).  26 Plants, but don't have locations yet.  Borden got into the chemical business with the sticky stuff about 1948.  Ever clean up dried spilled milk ?  Elmer's (Elsie's spouse) was a leader in the Glue-all field.

Don't know about factory changes specifically, but there were plenty of cheese and milk sites - not just woods. I recall seeing mention of carload from somewhere (in a 10% sample) going to Sheffield in Buffalo.  Cream Cheese and Butter factory here is now luxury condos.

Pete

On 6/17/2021 1:43 PM, Claus Schlund \(HGM\) wrote:

Hi Don and List Members,
 
While true, I don't think the car in Renovo would have been handling bulk orange juice...
 
Claus Schlund
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Burn
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2021 12:33 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] C&O 40ft steel gondola and a flat with removable milk containers - Renovo PA 1952

By 1952 a number of the containers for NX flat cars had transitioned from milk.  Some handled bulk orange juice and others went to Borden Chemicals for transport of various products of theirs.  

Don Burn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of robert netzlof
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2021 12:17 PM
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] C&O 40ft steel gondola and a flat with removable milk containers - Renovo PA 1952

Yeah, but not around Renovo.

There's very little around Renovo, other than trees. A 19th century travel book called the stretch of the then Philadelphia and Erie rom Renovo westward to Ridgway "a  seventy five mile tunnel through the trees"

----- Original Message -----
From: "Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io" <schuyler.larrabee@...>
To: "main" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2021 11:10:20 AM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] C&O 40ft steel gondola and a flat with removable milk containers - Renovo PA 1952

That's pretty likely.  There ARE cows in Penna., you know.

Schuyler

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of robert netzlof
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2021 7:27 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] C&O 40ft steel gondola and a flat with removable milk containers - Renovo PA 1952

I live not far from Renovo and I'm having trouble understanding what a milk tank car would be doing there. Perhaps it was merely passing through on its way to some place where there were cows?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles Greene" <greenec1144@...>
To: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Group Moderators" <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2021 6:10:51 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] C&O 40ft steel gondola and a flat with removable milk containers - Renovo PA 1952

Now that's *rich* Pennsy railroading! Which H-subclass on the point, -8?

                -Chuck

On Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 4:39 PM Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) < claus@...> wrote:

> Hi List Members,
>
> A C&O 40ft steel gondola and a flat with removable milk containers -
> Renovo PA 1952
>
> https://digital.library.temple.edu/digital/collection/p16002coll26/id/
> 4012
>
> Enjoy!
>
> Claus Schlund
>
>
>
>
>



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Re: [RailwayBullShippersGroup] Kingan (KRLX) 943 Restoration Update

Martin Young
 


looks like Arch Bar to me.



Marty San Diego, CA

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From: "mel perry"
To: RailwayBullShippersGroup@groups.io
Cc: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Sent: Saturday June 19 2021 6:57:57PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] [RailwayBullShippersGroup] Kingan (KRLX) 943 Restoration Update

can someone identify the trucks?
thanlks
;-)
mel perry


On Sat, Jun 19, 2021, 5:06 PM Mark Rickert <caboose9792@...> wrote:


Re: [RailwayBullShippersGroup] Kingan (KRLX) 943 Restoration Update

Benjamin Hom
 


Re: HO ASF A-3 Ride Control Truck

Brian Carlson
 

Oh interesting. I don’t see the solid bearing ones in the 3 kits. 
NP A-3 RB
MilW barber S-2 solid bearing 
UP same. 

BUT the CNW new 9 ft door PS1 does say A-3 solid bearing

There is hope! Not available separately yet. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On Jun 19, 2021, at 10:01 PM, brianleppert@... wrote:



Brian,
Check out Tangent's newest releases of PS-1 combination door box cars.  He's doing  50-ton solid-bearing Barber S-2 spring plankless trucks, ASF 50-ton A-3 Ride Control trucks and A-3 50-ton roller bearing trucks.  His wheelsets fit my trucks.

I hope he will sell enough separately to fill a large demand for years to come.  Tim O'Conner should be happy.

Brian Leppert
Tahoe Model Works
Carson City, NV


Re: HO ASF A-3 Ride Control Truck

brianleppert@att.net
 

Brian,
Check out Tangent's newest releases of PS-1 combination door box cars.  He's doing  50-ton solid-bearing Barber S-2 spring plankless trucks, ASF 50-ton A-3 Ride Control trucks and A-3 50-ton roller bearing trucks.  His wheelsets fit my trucks.

I hope he will sell enough separately to fill a large demand for years to come.  Tim O'Conner should be happy.

Brian Leppert
Tahoe Model Works
Carson City, NV


Re: [RailwayBullShippersGroup] Kingan (KRLX) 943 Restoration Update

mel perry
 

can someone identify the trucks?
thanlks
;-)
mel perry


On Sat, Jun 19, 2021, 5:06 PM Mark Rickert <caboose9792@...> wrote:


Re: Photo: Saratoga & Encampment Railway Boxcar 322 (1913)

earlyrail
 

ML&T
Morgans Louisiana & Texas
Howard Garner


Re: Rapido USRA Boxcars vs. Accurail SS OB Boxcars

np328
 

     In addition to the magazine listed above, there is also the January 1987 Model Railroading, USRA  Single-Sheathed 40-foot Box Cars (introduced as part 1 of the History of America's Steel Framed Box Cars) pages 9 through 15.  Also written by Richard Hendrickson, with assistance by Al Westerfield  - for additional reading and a roster listing of the USRA cars. 

Richard notes that he is indebted to James E Lane's "comprehensive and extensively researched article" USRA Freight Cars,  Railroad History  No. 128, Spring 1973. (R&LHS Inc)
   Also credits Al Westerfield. 
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Jim Dick - Roseville, MN 


HO ASF A-3 Ride Control Truck

Brian Carlson
 

To all the HO manufacturers out there a 50 ton solid bearing ASF A-3 Ride Control truck would be great.  I was hoping Tahoe would do them, but no joy. Currently we have the Kadee HGC truck which works for Kadee cars but can be difficult to modify for other plastic and resin cars. The other option is the fantastic Kato truck but the non-standard axle length is problematic for those of us running code 88/semi-scale wheels.
Brian Carlson


Reboxx 0.950 33" Wheels

Brian Carlson
 

All it's my annual search for reboxx 0.950 axle length wheels. 33" and One side or double insulated are fine. If anyone has any packages or knows where I can find them please contact me OFF LIST at prrk41361 AT yahoo DOT com with the usual substitutions. Thanks. 

Brian Carlson 


Re: Loads for stock cars

Kenneth Montero
 

Why not? Same for bricks and similar cargo that is not weather sensitive, once the livestock bedding is cleaned out. Especially if there is a shortage of other suitable cars.

Ken Montero


Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


-------- Original message --------
From: mel perry <clipper841@...>
Date: 6/19/21 4:16 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Loads for stock cars

ties?
mel perry

On Sat, Jun 19, 2021, 9:12 AM Dan Smith <espeefan@...> wrote:
From the University of Wyoming collection,

http://digitalcollections.uwyo.edu/luna/servlet/detail/uwydbuwy~6~6~6168~317847?qvq=q%3Arailroad&mi=2793&trs=3026

Off season loading?:-)

Dan Smith


Re: Rapido USRA Boxcars vs. Accurail SS OB Boxcars

Robert kirkham
 

Ah - I misunderstood your point Dennis.  Agreed.

Rob

On Jun 19, 2021, at 3:32 PM, Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...> wrote:

On Sat, Jun 19, 2021 at 01:52 PM, Robert kirkham wrote:
I’m not aware of a series of Canadian Pacific “9 panel” cars with Z bracing (other than the WWII era war emergency cars (adapted from the 1937 design).  As far as I have seen, they were all similar to the USRA cars, with hat profile braces.  They were modestly heavier (2100 lbs), which I believe was attributable to the framing etc of the bottom opening grain doors located on the car floor in line with each side door.
Rob,

Was this directed at my message? You asked about USRA cars with other than 5/5/5 ends, and I directed you to some "clones", clones being USRA design body framing, built after the USRA ceased to exist. Who said anything about zed bars?

Dennis Storzek 


Re: Rapido USRA Boxcars vs. Accurail SS OB Boxcars

Dennis Storzek
 

On Sat, Jun 19, 2021 at 01:52 PM, Robert kirkham wrote:
I’m not aware of a series of Canadian Pacific “9 panel” cars with Z bracing (other than the WWII era war emergency cars (adapted from the 1937 design).  As far as I have seen, they were all similar to the USRA cars, with hat profile braces.  They were modestly heavier (2100 lbs), which I believe was attributable to the framing etc of the bottom opening grain doors located on the car floor in line with each side door.
Rob,

Was this directed at my message? You asked about USRA cars with other than 5/5/5 ends, and I directed you to some "clones", clones being USRA design body framing, built after the USRA ceased to exist. Who said anything about zed bars?

Dennis Storzek 


Re: Photo: Saratoga & Encampment Railway Boxcar 322 (1913)

Tim O'Connor
 


Morgans Louisiana & Texas

On 6/19/2021 12:47 PM, Jerry Michels wrote:
A few photos over is a side view of an SP boxcar.  What was the ML&T?.  Bob, these are wonderful.  I lived for 10 years in Laramie, and usually made the lumberjack and rodeo celebrations in Saratoga and Encampment. 
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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Photo: OSL/UP Automobile Boxcar 160495 (1928)

Tony Thompson
 

Bob Chaparro wrote:

Photo: OSL/UP Automobile Boxcar 160495 (1928)
A photo from the University of Wyoming:

Great photo of the Westerfield kit! First one I ever built. 

Tony Thompson




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