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Re: Loads for stock cars

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Also add to the list: steel railroad wheels...
 
Claus Schlund
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2021 2:03 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Loads for stock cars

Add to the list:
Canned goods
Onions
Live poultry (in regular stock cars, not poultry cars)
Sand (in barrels)
Oil (in barrels)
Wagons (broken down)
Wagon wheels
Metal pipes
Metal sheets
(most of these are mentioned in my article on "unusual" stock car loads in the January 2021 issue of MRH)

Per the MCBA and ARA loading rules, stock cars could be treated the same as any other house car, and could be loaded with the same goods. So technically, anything conceivably loaded into a boxcar could also be loaded into a stock. And I'm sure that they were (there were a few stock cars with full-height end doors, allowing the loading of cars and trucks).


Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL


On Sunday, June 20, 2021, 10:59:22 AM CDT, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:


Commodities Shipped In Livestock Cars

So far I have documented these commodities. I’m sure there were others.

Bob Chaparro

Moderator

Railway Bull Shippers Group

https://groups.io/g/RailwayBullShippersGroup

++++

Bricks

Cabbages

Coal - A lot of coal in stock cars, in the Rocky Mountain States, as late as WWII

Coke - Beehive Oven as late as WWII

Corn Cobs

Dunnage Bulkheads (For boxcars)

Firewood

Freight Car Wheels

Grain (with car lining)

Grain Doors

Hay

Ice - Some photos were posted on the D&RGW Facebook site showing pond ice loading in stock cars in the early 1960s

Lumber

Pipe - Clay

Potatoes - Bagged

Pulpwood

Railroad Ties - Treated and untreated

Rails

Sewer Lids

Sewer Pipe -Ceramic

Straw

Sugar Beets

Tile

Tires

Tomatoes

Watermelons


Re: HO ASF A-3 Ride Control Truck

Tangent Scale Models
 

Tangent will release the 4 new 50-ton trucks that were part of our substantial investment in new PS-1 tooling later this summer.  Please stay tuned!

The trucks are 2 roller bearing and 2 friction bearing:

 

o   Tangent Scale Models 50-Ton Barber S-2 Roller Bearing truck – with rotating “Timken” bearing caps!  Yes, this is a truck never-before available in HO scale!

o   Tangent Scale Models 50-Ton ASF A-3 Ride Control Roller Bearing truck – with rotating “Timken” bearing caps!  Yes, this is a truck never-before available in HO scale!

o   Tangent Scale Models 50-Ton Barber S-2 Plain Bearing truck

o   Tangent Scale Models 50-Ton ASF “Ride Control” Plain Bearing truck

Thank you for your patience,

David Lehlbach
Tangent Scale Models




Re: Loads for stock cars

Brent Greer
 

I have always had a fascination with end-door cars, but this is the first I've heard of stock cars with end doors that were functional  (I thought I had seen some converted cars of the UP with end doors that had been welded shut).   Can you share or point me to photos of some of these end-door stock cars?

Sincere thanks,
Brent


Dr. J. Brent Greer


Re: Loads for stock cars

Ray Breyer
 

Add to the list:
Canned goods
Onions
Live poultry (in regular stock cars, not poultry cars)
Sand (in barrels)
Oil (in barrels)
Wagons (broken down)
Wagon wheels
Metal pipes
Metal sheets
(most of these are mentioned in my article on "unusual" stock car loads in the January 2021 issue of MRH)

Per the MCBA and ARA loading rules, stock cars could be treated the same as any other house car, and could be loaded with the same goods. So technically, anything conceivably loaded into a boxcar could also be loaded into a stock. And I'm sure that they were (there were a few stock cars with full-height end doors, allowing the loading of cars and trucks).


Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL


On Sunday, June 20, 2021, 10:59:22 AM CDT, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:


Commodities Shipped In Livestock Cars

So far I have documented these commodities. I’m sure there were others.

Bob Chaparro

Moderator

Railway Bull Shippers Group

https://groups.io/g/RailwayBullShippersGroup

++++

Bricks

Cabbages

Coal - A lot of coal in stock cars, in the Rocky Mountain States, as late as WWII

Coke - Beehive Oven as late as WWII

Corn Cobs

Dunnage Bulkheads (For boxcars)

Firewood

Freight Car Wheels

Grain (with car lining)

Grain Doors

Hay

Ice - Some photos were posted on the D&RGW Facebook site showing pond ice loading in stock cars in the early 1960s

Lumber

Pipe - Clay

Potatoes - Bagged

Pulpwood

Railroad Ties - Treated and untreated

Rails

Sewer Lids

Sewer Pipe -Ceramic

Straw

Sugar Beets

Tile

Tires

Tomatoes

Watermelons


Re: Photo: Wrecked Freight Cars (Undated)

Robert kirkham
 

What was E.M.Ry. - stencilled on the GN boxcar?

Rob

On Jun 20, 2021, at 10:07 AM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

Photo: Wrecked Freight Cars (Undated)
A photo from the University of Wyoming:
Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Photo: ML&T/SP Boxcar 30716 (1914)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: ML&T/SP Boxcar 30716 (1914)

A photo from the University of Wyoming:

http://digitalcollections.uwyo.edu/luna/servlet/detail/uwydbuwy~6~6~3351~303025:Guy-s-load-of-baled-hay-at-depot--E?qvq=q:depot&mi=32&trs=144

Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

I believe ML&T stood for Morgan's Louisiana & Texas Railroad & Steamship Company.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: Wrecked Freight Cars (Undated)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Wrecked Freight Cars (Undated)

A photo from the University of Wyoming:

http://digitalcollections.uwyo.edu/luna/servlet/detail/uwydbuwy~23~23~992579~208256?qvq=q:wreck&mi=123&trs=184

Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: UP Livestock Cars At Laramie (1929)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: UP Livestock Cars At Laramie (1929)

A photo from the University of Wyoming:

http://digitalcollections.uwyo.edu/luna/servlet/detail/ahcludwig~1~1~3435100~306632:Laramie-views-from-the-viaduct?qvq=q:railroad&mi=2919&trs=3026

Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

Notice UP 44302 may have Schoen Pressed Steel Company trucks. Or they may be Fox. The two companies merged in 1899 to become the Pressed Steel Car Company.

Bob Chaparro

Moderator

Railway Bull Shippers Group

https://groups.io/g/RailwayBullShippersGroup


Re: Loads for stock cars

Bob Chaparro
 

Commodities Shipped In Livestock Cars

So far I have documented these commodities. I’m sure there were others.

Bob Chaparro

Moderator

Railway Bull Shippers Group

https://groups.io/g/RailwayBullShippersGroup

++++

Bricks

Cabbages

Coal - A lot of coal in stock cars, in the Rocky Mountain States, as late as WWII

Coke - Beehive Oven as late as WWII

Corn Cobs

Dunnage Bulkheads (For boxcars)

Firewood

Freight Car Wheels

Grain (with car lining)

Grain Doors

Hay

Ice - Some photos were posted on the D&RGW Facebook site showing pond ice loading in stock cars in the early 1960s

Lumber

Pipe - Clay

Potatoes - Bagged

Pulpwood

Railroad Ties - Treated and untreated

Rails

Sewer Lids

Sewer Pipe -Ceramic

Straw

Sugar Beets

Tile

Tires

Tomatoes

Watermelons


Book On Union Pacific Livestock Cars?

Bob Chaparro
 

Book On Union Pacific Livestock Cars?

Does anyone recall a book on this topic?

If not, can anyone suggest a book on UP freight cars that has good coverage of their livestock cars?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: HO ASF A-3 Ride Control Truck

Tim O'Connor
 

Brian

Happy, but NOT satisfied - Tangent's new trucks have rotating roller bearing caps! These
(in my opinion) are a useless and problematic feature for HO scale models.

I still have lots of Kato trucks and 0.950 semiscale Reboxx wheels for them. :-)

Tim O'Connor


On 6/19/2021 10:01 PM, brianleppert@... wrote:

Brian,
Check out Tangent's newest releases of PS-1 combination door box cars.  He's doing  50-ton solid-bearing Barber S-2 spring plankless trucks, ASF 50-ton A-3 Ride Control trucks and A-3 50-ton roller bearing trucks.  His wheelsets fit my trucks.

I hope he will sell enough separately to fill a large demand for years to come.  Tim O'Conner should be happy.

Brian Leppert
Tahoe Model Works
Carson City, NV



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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: [RailwayBullShippersGroup] Kingan (KRLX) 943 Restoration Update

Benjamin Hom
 

Marty Young wrote:
"looks like Arch Bar to me."

No.  Recommend you review this article and reconsider.


Ben Hom


Re: Photo: Saratoga & Encampment Railway Boxcar 322 (1913)

Jerry Michels
 

Thanks Tim. The line to Encampment was gone or mostly gone by the 1970s when I was there. The Woodchoppers Jamboree was interesting.  Mainly a large crowd of University of Wyoming students drinking beer and smoking pot.  I often wonder about a family coming to the Janboree on their 'vacation' and deciding to go to the jamboree!  


Re: C&O 40ft steel gondola and a flat with removable milk containers - Renovo PA 1952

Peter Westphal
 

Lots of MILK potential on the PRR north or west of Renovo.  Merrel-Soule co, absorbed by Borden in 1928 pioneered condensed milk and had processing at Arcade, NY (Buffalo Line) as well as Union City, PA (Erie Line).  26 Plants, but don't have locations yet.  Borden got into the chemical business with the sticky stuff about 1948.  Ever clean up dried spilled milk ?  Elmer's (Elsie's spouse) was a leader in the Glue-all field.

Don't know about factory changes specifically, but there were plenty of cheese and milk sites - not just woods. I recall seeing mention of carload from somewhere (in a 10% sample) going to Sheffield in Buffalo.  Cream Cheese and Butter factory here is now luxury condos.

Pete

On 6/17/2021 1:43 PM, Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) wrote:

Hi Don and List Members,
 
While true, I don't think the car in Renovo would have been handling bulk orange juice...
 
Claus Schlund
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Burn
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2021 12:33 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] C&O 40ft steel gondola and a flat with removable milk containers - Renovo PA 1952

By 1952 a number of the containers for NX flat cars had transitioned from milk.  Some handled bulk orange juice and others went to Borden Chemicals for transport of various products of theirs.  

Don Burn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of robert netzlof
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2021 12:17 PM
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] C&O 40ft steel gondola and a flat with removable milk containers - Renovo PA 1952

Yeah, but not around Renovo.

There's very little around Renovo, other than trees. A 19th century travel book called the stretch of the then Philadelphia and Erie rom Renovo westward to Ridgway "a  seventy five mile tunnel through the trees"

----- Original Message -----
From: "Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io" <schuyler.larrabee@...>
To: "main" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2021 11:10:20 AM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] C&O 40ft steel gondola and a flat with removable milk containers - Renovo PA 1952

That's pretty likely.  There ARE cows in Penna., you know.

Schuyler

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of robert netzlof
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2021 7:27 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] C&O 40ft steel gondola and a flat with removable milk containers - Renovo PA 1952

I live not far from Renovo and I'm having trouble understanding what a milk tank car would be doing there. Perhaps it was merely passing through on its way to some place where there were cows?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles Greene" <greenec1144@...>
To: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Group Moderators" <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2021 6:10:51 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] C&O 40ft steel gondola and a flat with removable milk containers - Renovo PA 1952

Now that's *rich* Pennsy railroading! Which H-subclass on the point, -8?

                -Chuck

On Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 4:39 PM Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) < claus@...> wrote:

> Hi List Members,
>
> A C&O 40ft steel gondola and a flat with removable milk containers -
> Renovo PA 1952
>
> https://digital.library.temple.edu/digital/collection/p16002coll26/id/
> 4012
>
> Enjoy!
>
> Claus Schlund
>
>
>
>
>



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Re: [RailwayBullShippersGroup] Kingan (KRLX) 943 Restoration Update

Martin Young
 


looks like Arch Bar to me.



Marty San Diego, CA

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From: "mel perry"
To: RailwayBullShippersGroup@groups.io
Cc: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Sent: Saturday June 19 2021 6:57:57PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] [RailwayBullShippersGroup] Kingan (KRLX) 943 Restoration Update

can someone identify the trucks?
thanlks
;-)
mel perry


On Sat, Jun 19, 2021, 5:06 PM Mark Rickert <caboose9792@...> wrote:


Re: [RailwayBullShippersGroup] Kingan (KRLX) 943 Restoration Update

Benjamin Hom
 


Re: HO ASF A-3 Ride Control Truck

Brian Carlson
 

Oh interesting. I don’t see the solid bearing ones in the 3 kits. 
NP A-3 RB
MilW barber S-2 solid bearing 
UP same. 

BUT the CNW new 9 ft door PS1 does say A-3 solid bearing

There is hope! Not available separately yet. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On Jun 19, 2021, at 10:01 PM, brianleppert@... wrote:



Brian,
Check out Tangent's newest releases of PS-1 combination door box cars.  He's doing  50-ton solid-bearing Barber S-2 spring plankless trucks, ASF 50-ton A-3 Ride Control trucks and A-3 50-ton roller bearing trucks.  His wheelsets fit my trucks.

I hope he will sell enough separately to fill a large demand for years to come.  Tim O'Conner should be happy.

Brian Leppert
Tahoe Model Works
Carson City, NV


Re: HO ASF A-3 Ride Control Truck

brianleppert@att.net
 

Brian,
Check out Tangent's newest releases of PS-1 combination door box cars.  He's doing  50-ton solid-bearing Barber S-2 spring plankless trucks, ASF 50-ton A-3 Ride Control trucks and A-3 50-ton roller bearing trucks.  His wheelsets fit my trucks.

I hope he will sell enough separately to fill a large demand for years to come.  Tim O'Conner should be happy.

Brian Leppert
Tahoe Model Works
Carson City, NV


Re: [RailwayBullShippersGroup] Kingan (KRLX) 943 Restoration Update

mel perry
 

can someone identify the trucks?
thanlks
;-)
mel perry


On Sat, Jun 19, 2021, 5:06 PM Mark Rickert <caboose9792@...> wrote:


Re: Photo: Saratoga & Encampment Railway Boxcar 322 (1913)

earlyrail
 

ML&T
Morgans Louisiana & Texas
Howard Garner

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