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Re: W&LE wood coal gon at Beechwood Mine, Fairmont Coal Company, Monongalia County, WV 1907

Keith Retterer
 

Here is a builder's photo of W&LE 5000, built at the SSCC Butler Works in 1906.  

Keith


Re: Help identifying a tank car with Westvaco markings

brianleppert@att.net
 

SHPX 4733 has a different dome.

Brian Leppert


Re: Help identifying a tank car with Westvaco markings

Allan Smith
 

There is a photo of a 10,000 gal car WESTVACO on page 52 of Tank Cars AC&F by Ed Kaminski. But the car you are looking for is on page 96 of AC&F 1899-1999 by Ed Kaminski  It is an 8000 gal car ICC 103-W SHPX 4733 lot 2257 built 8-41.


Al Smith
Sonora CA

On Wednesday, June 23, 2021, 01:28:18 PM PDT, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



Here is a 1957 photo showing the Westvaco + FMC lettering. Eventually soda ash out of Green River
became an enormous commodity for the UP.

Tim O'Connor

On 6/23/2021 4:16 PM, Ed Hawkins wrote:

On Jun 23, 2021, at 2:32 PM, Andy Cummings <andy.w.cummings@...> wrote:

I _think_ these cars were leased SHPX cars, but I could be confusing them with the rest of the leased FMC cars. Models (and possibly decals) have been produced for cars assigned to both the South Charleston (inorganic) and Nitro (organic) WV divisions of FMC, but I've not seen any mass-produced models in this particular transitional scheme.  

Incidentally, if you (or anyone) produce decals for these cars I would be greatly interested in a set or three. My long-term modeling plans include the C&O yard which directly serviced this facility and possibly part of the facility itself.

Andy & Ben,
The earlier lettering clue by the side ladder of approx. 45,xxx pounds of water equates to a nominal 6,000-gallon capacity, a common size for chlorine tank cars. I did a search of ACF tank cars built from the mid-1920s thru the early 1950s but didn’t find any matches of 6,000 gallon, ARA V or ICC-105A cars originally owned by Westvaco or leased from SHPX Shippers’ Car Line and lettered accordingly. If not an ACF car, perhaps it was built by General American.

Westvaco Chorine Products Corp. and Westvaco Chemical Division, leased 38 SHPX 1958 cu. ft. LO covered hopper cars built from 5-47 to 6-51 (see RP CYC Vol. 27). Roughly 30 years ago I coordinated with Microscale, who produced decal set #87-660 that included lettering for these Westvaco LO’s and 4 plant locations to include South Charleston, W.V. 

I’m curious if anyone can determine an estimated date of the photo. 
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Photo: National Car Co. Reefer NX 2550

Bruce Smith
 

Bill,

 

While Larry asked about RF cars being rebuilt, your answer sounds more general. Indeed, ex-PRR RF cars DID make it into NX service. They obviously did not make it past WWII, but prior to that, they could be found, often leased to packers, including Kahns. I have a 1941 photo of EKSX 1046.  It looks like a small number of these cars remained in service, at least through the 1943 ORER.  The cars appear to have the standard "FGE/NX" style lettering for "THE E. KAHN'S SONS COMPANY", "EKSX" and "BRINE TANK REFRIGERATOR".

 

I do not know if any of these cars were rebuilt into more “modern” 36’ cars by FGE/National.

 

Regards,

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of "Bill Parks via groups.io" <BPARKS_43@...>
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Date: Wednesday, June 23, 2021 at 3:53 PM
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Subject: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: National Car Co. Reefer NX 2550

 

CAUTION: Email Originated Outside of Auburn.

Here is a question that is total speculation- were any of these 36 ft NX reefers rebuilt out of ex PRR
class RF cars?

My understanding (although I don't have anything to verify) is that all of the ex-PRR cars became FGEX cars, and none of them went to NX (which wasn't formed until about 8 years after FGEX).  If someone has evidence to the contrary, I'd love to hear it.
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Bill Parks
Cumming, GA
Modelling the Seaboard Airline in Central Florida


Re: Photo: National Car Co. Reefer NX 2550

Bill Parks
 

Here is a question that is total speculation- were any of these 36 ft NX reefers rebuilt out of ex PRR
class RF cars?

My understanding (although I don't have anything to verify) is that all of the ex-PRR cars became FGEX cars, and none of them went to NX (which wasn't formed until about 8 years after FGEX).  If someone has evidence to the contrary, I'd love to hear it.
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Bill Parks
Cumming, GA
Modelling the Seaboard Airline in Central Florida


Re: Photo: National Car Co. Reefer NX 2550

ROGER HINMAN
 

We’ve lost the FGEX wizard, but the strategy NX used was similar to what MDT did with ERDX; take all your old 36 foot cars and lease them to shippers who liked the shorter cars. If PRR transferred any of the said car to FGEX, it had a reasonable chance of making it to NX fleet. 

Roger Hinman


On Jun 23, 2021, at 2:55 PM, lrkdbn via groups.io <lrkdbn@...> wrote:

Here is a question that is total speculation- were any of these 36 ft NX reefers rebuilt out of ex PRR
class RF cars?
Larry King


Re: Help identifying a tank car with Westvaco markings

Tim O'Connor
 


Here is a 1957 photo showing the Westvaco + FMC lettering. Eventually soda ash out of Green River
became an enormous commodity for the UP.

Tim O'Connor

On 6/23/2021 4:16 PM, Ed Hawkins wrote:
On Jun 23, 2021, at 2:32 PM, Andy Cummings <andy.w.cummings@...> wrote:

I _think_ these cars were leased SHPX cars, but I could be confusing them with the rest of the leased FMC cars. Models (and possibly decals) have been produced for cars assigned to both the South Charleston (inorganic) and Nitro (organic) WV divisions of FMC, but I've not seen any mass-produced models in this particular transitional scheme.  

Incidentally, if you (or anyone) produce decals for these cars I would be greatly interested in a set or three. My long-term modeling plans include the C&O yard which directly serviced this facility and possibly part of the facility itself.

Andy & Ben,
The earlier lettering clue by the side ladder of approx. 45,xxx pounds of water equates to a nominal 6,000-gallon capacity, a common size for chlorine tank cars. I did a search of ACF tank cars built from the mid-1920s thru the early 1950s but didn’t find any matches of 6,000 gallon, ARA V or ICC-105A cars originally owned by Westvaco or leased from SHPX Shippers’ Car Line and lettered accordingly. If not an ACF car, perhaps it was built by General American.

Westvaco Chorine Products Corp. and Westvaco Chemical Division, leased 38 SHPX 1958 cu. ft. LO covered hopper cars built from 5-47 to 6-51 (see RP CYC Vol. 27). Roughly 30 years ago I coordinated with Microscale, who produced decal set #87-660 that included lettering for these Westvaco LO’s and 4 plant locations to include South Charleston, W.V. 

I’m curious if anyone can determine an estimated date of the photo. 
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Help identifying a tank car with Westvaco markings

Ed Hawkins
 



On Jun 23, 2021, at 2:32 PM, Andy Cummings <andy.w.cummings@...> wrote:

I _think_ these cars were leased SHPX cars, but I could be confusing them with the rest of the leased FMC cars. Models (and possibly decals) have been produced for cars assigned to both the South Charleston (inorganic) and Nitro (organic) WV divisions of FMC, but I've not seen any mass-produced models in this particular transitional scheme.  

Incidentally, if you (or anyone) produce decals for these cars I would be greatly interested in a set or three. My long-term modeling plans include the C&O yard which directly serviced this facility and possibly part of the facility itself.

Andy & Ben,
The earlier lettering clue by the side ladder of approx. 45,xxx pounds of water equates to a nominal 6,000-gallon capacity, a common size for chlorine tank cars. I did a search of ACF tank cars built from the mid-1920s thru the early 1950s but didn’t find any matches of 6,000 gallon, ARA V or ICC-105A cars originally owned by Westvaco or leased from SHPX Shippers’ Car Line and lettered accordingly. If not an ACF car, perhaps it was built by General American.

Westvaco Chorine Products Corp. and Westvaco Chemical Division, leased 38 SHPX 1958 cu. ft. LO covered hopper cars built from 5-47 to 6-51 (see RP CYC Vol. 27). Roughly 30 years ago I coordinated with Microscale, who produced decal set #87-660 that included lettering for these Westvaco LO’s and 4 plant locations to include South Charleston, W.V. 

I’m curious if anyone can determine an estimated date of the photo. 
Regards,
Ed Hawkins





Re: Help identifying a tank car with Westvaco markings

Tim O'Connor
 


No need to guess, really. The "49000" (ballpark) water lbs stencil works out to approx 6,000 gallons.


On 6/23/2021 2:05 PM, Dave Parker via groups.io wrote:
I'm with Steve.  It's most likely a smaller car; 6000 gallons is a reasonable guess.

Those 11,000-gal ICC 105 cars were used for "light" commodities like anhydrous ammonia and propane.  Liquid chlorine is 50% denser than water, which is why it was carried in small cars.
--
Dave Parker

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Help identifying a tank car with Westvaco markings

 

Ben,

This car would have been assigned to/shipped from the Westvaco chloralkali facility at South Charleston, WV. That facility began life as the Warner-Klipstein Chemical Company around 1915, was acquired by Westvaco in the very early 1920s, and later by FMC (Food Machinery & Chemical Corp.) in 1948. 

I've seen other photos of cars in this dual WestVaCo/FMC scheme in the past, but I'm drawing a blank as to where, and don't have any saved off in my project folder for Carbide/FMC. I'll dredge through my dead-tree notes sometime this week and see if something surfaces. It's entirely likely the photos I'm thinking of were in regional history books. Not likely to be better quality, but might at least be enough to get reporting marks. 

I _think_ these cars were leased SHPX cars, but I could be confusing them with the rest of the leased FMC cars.
 Models (and possibly decals) have been produced for cars assigned to both the South Charleston (inorganic) and Nitro (organic) WV divisions of FMC, but I've not seen any mass-produced models in this particular transitional scheme.  

Incidentally, if you (or anyone) produce decals for these cars I would be greatly interested in a set or three. My long-term modeling plans include the C&O yard which directly serviced this facility and possibly part of the facility itself.

--
Andy Cummings
Houston, TX


Re: Photo: National Car Co. Reefer NX 2550

lrkdbn
 

Here is a question that is total speculation- were any of these 36 ft NX reefers rebuilt out of ex PRR
class RF cars?
Larry King


Re: B&O ds trussrod boxcar (72448 maybe?) at Pittsburg and Fairmont Fuel Company WV in 1907

Eric Hansmann
 

I checked some ORER editions for B&O 72948. Here’s what I found.

 

1904 & 1905 ORERs – in a number series for gondolas
1907 ORER – in a boxcar number series
   - 2051 cu ft and 30 tons capy
    - 34-ft, 6-in inside length, 7-ft, 5-in inside height
    - 289 cars listed for the 72702–73031 number series

I do not know the class designation for this B&O boxcar.

B&O renumbered their freight car fleet about 1905. This is why the car number falls into a gondola series in the earlier ORER editions.

 

Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2021 12:35 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] B&O ds trussrod boxcar (72448 maybe?) at Pittsburg and Fairmont Fuel Company WV in 1907

 

Thanks Bob, I'm sure you are better at this than I am! As a matter of fact, I'm sure everyone is better at this than I am!

 

Claus Schlund

 

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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] B&O ds trussrod boxcar (72448 maybe?) at Pittsburg and Fairmont Fuel Company WV in 1907

 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)" <claus@...>

> B&O ds trussrod boxcar (72448 maybe?) at Pittsburg and Fairmont Fuel Company WV in 1907

> https://wvhistoryonview.org/catalog/039674
 
72948 Look at the 4 digits visible on the end.

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Bob Netzlof a/k/a Sweet Old Bob





Re: Photo: SHPX Tank Car 20504 & Friends

Tony Thompson
 

Ray Hutchison wrote:

The third tank car has platform on top... I've most often associated this with (later) chemical cars?_

Many people would say the same, Ray, a legacy from our friends at Athearn, who called their version of a pressure car a “chemical” car. But in fact the platform has NOTHING to do with whatever contents are on board. The buyer of the tank car decided if they wanted a platform on their cars, regardless of use. There were, of course, a great many cars without platforms, including pressure cars, and all kinds of ordinary as well as pressure cars that DID have platforms. In short, a platform by itself tells you nothing about the use of the car. 

Tony Thompson




Re: Help identifying a tank car with Westvaco markings

Dave Parker
 

I'm with Steve.  It's most likely a smaller car; 6000 gallons is a reasonable guess.

Those 11,000-gal ICC 105 cars were used for "light" commodities like anhydrous ammonia and propane.  Liquid chlorine is 50% denser than water, which is why it was carried in small cars.
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Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: Photo: SHPX Tank Car 20504 & Friends

Dennis Storzek
 

On Wed, Jun 23, 2021 at 10:14 AM, Dave Nelson wrote:

Sure I have… I’m referring to the apparent seam running up from his crotch.  Very odd.

 

I think we're having a failure to communicate...
Try this.

Dennis

 


Re: B&O ds trussrod boxcar (72448 maybe?) at Pittsburg and Fairmont Fuel Company WV in 1907

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Thanks Bob, I'm sure you are better at this than I am! As a matter of fact, I'm sure everyone is better at this than I am!
 
Claus Schlund
 

----- Original Message -----
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] B&O ds trussrod boxcar (72448 maybe?) at Pittsburg and Fairmont Fuel Company WV in 1907

----- Original Message -----
From: "Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)" <claus@...>

> B&O ds trussrod boxcar (72448 maybe?) at Pittsburg and Fairmont Fuel Company WV in 1907

> https://wvhistoryonview.org/catalog/039674
 
72948 Look at the 4 digits visible on the end.

--
Bob Netzlof a/k/a Sweet Old Bob






Re: Hopper and gons, Monongah No 8 Mine, Fairmont Coal Company, WV 1907

Todd Sullivan
 

Claus,

That's a great write-up on how a mine and coke ovens operated in the early to mid 20th century.  I have friends who have models of such arrangements on their layouts, and there were similar facilities on the C&O in the New River Gorge (at Sewell, I think) and off the NYC on the Kanawha River outside Smithers WVa at Cannelton.  Searching on those locations might turn up additional information and photos.

Todd Sullivan


Re: Photo: SHPX Tank Car 20504 & Friends

Dave Nelson
 

Sure I have… I’m referring to the apparent seam running up from his crotch.  Very odd.

 

Dave Nelson

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis Storzek
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2021 5:48 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: SHPX Tank Car 20504 & Friends

 

You've never seen a man wearing coveralls before?

Dennis Storzek


Re: Help identifying a tank car with Westvaco markings

 

Thanks, everyone! I appreciate the insight. I am hoping a decent image of this livery surfaces so I can attempt to draw the artwork for some decals. I now have a starting point at least. Now, to find those elusive unlettered BLI cars... https://www.broadway-limited.com/61286000gallontankcarunletteredpaintedlightgray4-packho-1.aspx

Again, thanks!
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Ben Sullivan
Brookeville, MD


Re: B&O ds trussrod boxcar (72448 maybe?) at Pittsburg and Fairmont Fuel Company WV in 1907

robert netzlof <rtnetzlof@...>
 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)" <claus@hellgatemodels.com>

B&O ds trussrod boxcar (72448 maybe?) at Pittsburg and Fairmont Fuel Company WV in 1907
https://wvhistoryonview.org/catalog/039674
72948 Look at the 4 digits visible on the end.

--
Bob Netzlof a/k/a Sweet Old Bob

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