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Re: Photo: Pickle Car - further question
Correction. The Heinz cars were tubs, but this photo shows they may have been enclosed.
Thanks!
From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of "Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io" <schuyler.larrabee@...>
My original follow-on question to the photo that started this thread was intended to suggest some other users of the circular tub variety of pickle cars that would have been seen in the northeast, PA, NY, and neighboring states.. I was, perhaps, a little to elliptical in my rather vague question. Any suggestions now that I’m being more specific?
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of BRIAN PAUL EHNI
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2021 2:50 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Pickle Car - further question
Eric: do you have David J. Leider’s “Pickle and Vinegar Makers of the Midwest”? I don’t think it applies directly to your situation, but it has lots of info on plant layouts, photos of plants, cars, etc.
I’ll lend you my copy if you like.
Thanks!
From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Eric Hansmann <eric@...>
David,
I'll have three pickle and food production plants to serve on my future layout with HJ Heinz, Lutz & Schramm, and Cruikshank Brothers. Have you stumbled across details for cars that transported pickles from the field plants to Lutz & Schramm and Cruikshank Brothers in Pittsburgh, Penna.?
Eric Hansmann
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Re: Photo: Pickle Car - further question
Heinz had such cars, and they were in Pittsburgh.
Thanks!
From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of "Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io" <schuyler.larrabee@...>
My original follow-on question to the photo that started this thread was intended to suggest some other users of the circular tub variety of pickle cars that would have been seen in the northeast, PA, NY, and neighboring states.. I was, perhaps, a little to elliptical in my rather vague question. Any suggestions now that I’m being more specific?
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of BRIAN PAUL EHNI
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2021 2:50 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Pickle Car - further question
Eric: do you have David J. Leider’s “Pickle and Vinegar Makers of the Midwest”? I don’t think it applies directly to your situation, but it has lots of info on plant layouts, photos of plants, cars, etc.
I’ll lend you my copy if you like.
Thanks!
From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Eric Hansmann <eric@...>
David,
I'll have three pickle and food production plants to serve on my future layout with HJ Heinz, Lutz & Schramm, and Cruikshank Brothers. Have you stumbled across details for cars that transported pickles from the field plants to Lutz & Schramm and Cruikshank Brothers in Pittsburgh, Penna.?
Eric Hansmann
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Re: Photo: Pickle Car - further question
Schuyler Larrabee
My original follow-on question to the photo that started this thread was intended to suggest some other users of the circular tub variety of pickle cars that would have been seen in the northeast, PA, NY, and neighboring states.. I was, perhaps, a little to elliptical in my rather vague question. Any suggestions now that I’m being more specific?
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of BRIAN PAUL EHNI
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2021 2:50 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Pickle Car - further question
Eric: do you have David J. Leider’s “Pickle and Vinegar Makers of the Midwest”? I don’t think it applies directly to your situation, but it has lots of info on plant layouts, photos of plants, cars, etc.
I’ll lend you my copy if you like.
Thanks!
From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Eric Hansmann <eric@...>
David,
I'll have three pickle and food production plants to serve on my future layout with HJ Heinz, Lutz & Schramm, and Cruikshank Brothers. Have you stumbled across details for cars that transported pickles from the field plants to Lutz & Schramm and Cruikshank Brothers in Pittsburgh, Penna.?
Eric Hansmann
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Re: Photo: Pickle Car - further question
Eric: do you have David J. Leider’s “Pickle and Vinegar Makers of the Midwest”? I don’t think it applies directly to your situation, but it has lots of info on plant layouts, photos of plants, cars, etc.
I’ll lend you my copy if you like.
Thanks!
From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Eric Hansmann <eric@...>
David,
I'll have three pickle and food production plants to serve on my future layout with HJ Heinz, Lutz & Schramm, and Cruikshank Brothers. Have you stumbled across details for cars that transported pickles from the field plants to Lutz & Schramm and Cruikshank Brothers in Pittsburgh, Penna.?
Eric Hansmann
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Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] B&O ds trussrod boxcar (72448 maybe?) at Pittsburg and Fairmont Fuel Company WV in 1907
Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Claus;
I wish I could say that was so, but LOTS of coke, sometimes hot, was loaded into composite cars: box cars, gons, hoppers. Lots of torchings!
There are some great photos and stories of torched cars.
My favorite pic is in the Rock Island Color Guide.
Elden Gatwood
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2021 12:53 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] B&O ds trussrod boxcar (72448 maybe?) at Pittsburg and Fairmont Fuel Company WV in 1907
Hi Elden and List Members,
Elden wrote: "There is a lot of correspondence out there on the travails of this service, including...coke-torched box cars"
On this list we were recently discussing coke manufacturing at Monongah No 8 Mine, Fairmont Coal Company, WV in 1907, link below...
I will point out that the coke - which is much more likely to burst into flames due to inadequate quenching - is being loaded into hoppers of all-steel construction. The coal - a load that is unlikely to catch fire on its own - is in the composite (wood and steel) gons. I can't help thinking they *intentionally* avoided loading the coke into the wood-and-steel gons - makes sense!
Claus Schlund
Claus Schlund
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Re: Photo: Pickle Car - further question
Eric Hansmann
David,
I'll have three pickle and food production plants to serve on my future layout with HJ Heinz, Lutz & Schramm, and Cruikshank Brothers. Have you stumbled across details for cars that transported pickles from the field plants to Lutz & Schramm and Cruikshank Brothers in Pittsburgh, Penna.?
Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN
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Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] B&O ds trussrod boxcar (72448 maybe?) at Pittsburg and Fairmont Fuel Company WV in 1907
Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
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Hi Elden and List Members,
Elden wrote: "There is a lot of correspondence out there on the travails of
this service, including...coke-torched box cars"
On this list we were recently discussing coke manufacturing
at Monongah No 8 Mine, Fairmont Coal Company, WV in 1907, link
below...
I will point out that the coke - which is much more likely to burst into
flames due to inadequate quenching - is being loaded into hoppers of all-steel
construction. The coal - a load that is unlikely to catch fire on its
own - is in the composite (wood and steel) gons. I can't help thinking they
*intentionally* avoided loading the coke into the wood-and-steel
gons - makes sense!
Claus Schlund
Claus Schlund
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Re: Hopper and gons, Monongah No 8 Mine, Fairmont Coal Company, WV 1907
Dennis Storzek
On Wed, Jun 23, 2021 at 08:55 AM, CJ Riley wrote:
I must dispute the comment about these not being beehive ovens. They are identical to the freestanding beehive ovens, just buried for heat retention and operational reasons. They were still called beehives.I didn't realize that "beehive oven" was a term of the art, thinking it was more a historian / modeler's term. I stand corrected. Dennis Storzek
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Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] B&O ds trussrod boxcar (72448 maybe?) at Pittsburg and Fairmont Fuel Company WV in 1907
Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Folks;
PRR had some intentionally doorless cars they put in dedicated coke service, but accidentally doorless cars were not unheard of, with cribbing taking the place of a need for a door.
Coal and coke were both loaded into box cars early on, when hoppers/gons were unavailable, or in the event weather protection was desired. I’ve seen correspondence on both, by a variety of parties.
You all have seen this photo. How cool is that?
For coal loads, the boards were close together.
There is a lot of correspondence out there on the travails of this service, including disappearing doors, spilled loads, and coke-torched box cars.
Elden Gatwood
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2021 10:51 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] B&O ds trussrod boxcar (72448 maybe?) at Pittsburg and Fairmont Fuel Company WV in 1907
Hi Ken and List Members,
Good catch, Ken, I had not noticed that. If loading coal into a boxcar, perhaps a door is optional and the opening will be covered over agian with cribbing after loading but before departure? Or perhaps only use the door on the other side?
Claus Schlund
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Re: B&O ds trussrod boxcar (72448 maybe?) at Pittsburg and Fairmont Fuel Company WV in 1907
Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
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Hi Ken and List Members,
Good catch, Ken, I had not noticed that. If loading coal into a boxcar,
perhaps a door is optional and the opening will be covered over agian with
cribbing after loading but before departure? Or perhaps only use the door on the
other side?
Claus Schlund
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Re: Photo: Pickle Car - further question
Sguire-Dingee was a Chicago company, but had salting stations all over the midwest as w3ell as subsidaries in other parts of the US. Pickle cars of this type were used all over to pick up salted pickles for further processing
David Leider
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Re: B&O ds trussrod boxcar (72448 maybe?) at Pittsburg and Fairmont Fuel Company WV in 1907
Kenneth Montero
Is the door missing on this car?
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Is there some type of cribbing inside the doorway? Ken Montero
On 06/23/2021 12:42 PM robert netzlof <rtnetzlof@windstream.net> wrote:
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B&O twin hopper and (probably B&O W-1) quad hopper Atlas Coal Corp Flemington WV undated
Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Hi List Members,
B&O twin hopper and (probably B&O W-1) quad hopper Atlas Coal Corp
Flemington WV undated
Enjoy!
Claus Schlund
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B&O 320460 twin hopper Likely near Rosemont or Flemington, WV (undated)
Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Hi List Members,
B&O 320460 twin hopper Likely near Rosemont or Flemington, WV
(undated)
Note the train brake air line along the bottom of the car side, at
least two patches applied to the steel sides, Andrews trucks, and
basketball sized hunks of coal. Also, the wooden scotches on the rails to
prevent cars from rolling, and the ground seems littered with coal. The second
car appears to have an unevenly loaded heap of coal - careless mine
operators?
Enjoy!
Claus Schlund
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GRCX 3800 tank - Koppers Coal Co Grant Town WV 1938
Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Hi List Members,
GRCX 3800 tank - Koppers Coal Co Grant Town WV 1938
Enjoy!
Claus Schlund
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C&O 40ft steel gon end view Island Creek Coal Co WV (undated)
Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Hi List Members,
C&O 40ft steel gon end view Island Creek Coal Co WV (undated)
Enjoy!
Claus Schlund
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C&O 73753 hopper end view Island Creek Coal Co WV (undated)
Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Hi List Members,
C&O 73753 hopper end view Island Creek Coal Co WV (undated)
Enjoy!
Claus Schlund
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Re: W&LE wood coal gon at Beechwood Mine, Fairmont Coal Company, Monongalia County, WV 1907
Keith Retterer
Here is a builder's photo of W&LE 5000, built at the SSCC Butler Works in 1906.
Keith
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Re: Help identifying a tank car with Westvaco markings
brianleppert@att.net
SHPX 4733 has a different dome.
Brian Leppert
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Re: Help identifying a tank car with Westvaco markings
Allan Smith
There is a photo of a 10,000 gal car WESTVACO on page 52 of Tank Cars AC&F by Ed Kaminski. But the car you are looking for is on page 96 of AC&F 1899-1999 by Ed Kaminski It is an 8000 gal car ICC 103-W SHPX 4733 lot 2257 built 8-41. Al Smith Sonora CA
On Wednesday, June 23, 2021, 01:28:18 PM PDT, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:
Here is a 1957 photo showing the Westvaco + FMC lettering. Eventually soda ash out of Green River became an enormous commodity for the UP. Tim O'Connor On 6/23/2021 4:16 PM, Ed Hawkins wrote:
-- Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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