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Re: Vallejo galvanized paint color

Tony Thompson
 

Dan Mitchell wrote:

Plainly anodized aluminum is a whitish-silver color. It’s actually a (usually thick) layer of aluminum-oxide (colorless sand).
Um, no. Sand is commonly mostly made up of silicon oxide or silica, not aluminum oxide, though there are numerous minerals that contain aluminum, and thus can be present in sand.

Tony Thompson
tony@signaturepress.com


Re: Vallejo galvanized paint color

CJ Riley <cjriley42@...>
 

Anodized aluminum can be many colors, think bronze colored aluminum window frames. But you may be thinking of clear anodized which is a bit like clear coat if my feeble memory is accurate.






Re: Accurail Outside Braced Box Car

Nelson Moyer
 

There’s a thread on the Reinfreightcarbuilders io group about kitbashing an Accurail single-sheathed ( I don’t know what outside braced means) boxcar for he IC that could give you some ideas. Search Chicagoland 2019 Mini-Kit and look up the mini-kit on Resin Car Works web site under retired kits.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Philip Taylor
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2021 3:01 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Accurail Outside Braced Box Car

 

Our NMRA division is going to build the Accurail 40 ft outside braced boxcar as a joint build with every one showing their results at a future meeting.   I did find the following references on Eric Hansmann’s website.

Single Sheathed Box Cars Accurail 4300

magazine.trainlife.com/rmj_1993_2/

designbuildop.hansmanns.org/a-guide-to-1920s-era-ho-scale-plastic-freight-cars/
.
Are there any other resources I should point out.  I plan to to do a short talk about the car

Thank you

Philip Taylor


Re: Vallejo galvanized paint color

Daniel A. Mitchell
 

Plainly anodized aluminum is a whitish-silver color. It’s actually a (usually thick) layer of aluminum-oxide (colorless sand). It is applied by an electro-chemical process that etches into the metal. Since the aluminum-oxide coating is quite hard, it protects the aluminum surface from minor abrasion. The granular nature of this oxide layer makes the surface of the metal somwhat porous. Being porous, suitable dyes can penetrate the oxide layer giving it any of many colors.

The colors shown are due to the dyes, not the anodizing. The anodizing itself is nearly colorless.

Once the dyes are applied, the colored surface is sealed to protect it from chemical attack or staining.

Dan Mitchell
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On Jun 25, 2021, at 2:20 PM, Jim and Barbara van Gaasbeek <jvgbvg@...> wrote:

Brian – thank you very much.  Based on the box art of the kit, looks like it was the silver color, but weathered.
 
Jim van Gaasbeek
Irvine, CA
 
 


Accurail Outside Braced Box Car

Philip Taylor
 

Our NMRA division is going to build the Accurail 40 ft outside braced boxcar as a joint build with every one showing their results at a future meeting.   I did find the following references on Eric Hansmann’s website.

Single Sheathed Box Cars Accurail 4300

magazine.trainlife.com/rmj_1993_2/

designbuildop.hansmanns.org/a-guide-to-1920s-era-ho-scale-plastic-freight-cars/
.
Are there any other resources I should point out.  I plan to to do a short talk about the car

Thank you

Philip Taylor


Re: Photo: Pickle Car - further question

John
 

The Heinz 57 SIG was quite active from 1984 through, maybe, 1991.  It was fairly large, too.  I was member #90 and by no means the last.  Al Westerfield was member #1.  There were four to six newsletters per year, some of them running to twenty pages, IIRC.  In the beginning, plenty of Heinz freight car photos and other information came to light.  But, eventually, that well dried up and interest fell off.  As there was little new information to be found there were fewer newsletters.  Eventually the group shut down.

John Bopp
Farmington Hills, MI
Modeling the Nineteen Aughts


Re: Photo: Pickle Car - further question

Eric Hansmann
 

An answer does depend upon the era. The pickle tank car owner table in David Leider’s book shows the peak of ownership is between 1930 and 1950 with about 150 cars in service across a number of companies. It also depends on where the production facilities are located.

 

I mentioned Lutz and Schramm in Pittsburgh and found they had other plants in Boston, Bronson, MI, and Sturgis, MI. The Michigan locations may be salting stations that supplied packing plants in Pittsburgh and Boston. L&S had at least eight cars running through the 1950s. They may have been common on the NYC lines connecting Michigan and Massachusetts.

 

That’s just one example. There might be a few other possibilities. The book has a Midwest focus, so there may be some northeastern operations that escaped David’s research. But it’s a great starting point.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2021 2:11 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Pickle Car - further question

 

My original follow-on question to the photo that started this thread was intended to suggest some other users of the circular tub variety of pickle cars that would have been seen in the northeast, PA, NY, and neighboring states..  I was, perhaps, a little to elliptical in my rather vague question.  Any suggestions now that I’m being more specific?

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of BRIAN PAUL EHNI
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2021 2:50 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Pickle Car - further question

 

Eric: do you have David J. Leider’s “Pickle and Vinegar Makers of the Midwest”? I don’t think it applies directly to your situation, but it has lots of info on plant layouts, photos of plants, cars, etc.

 

I’ll lend you my copy if you like.

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Eric Hansmann <eric@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 11:57 AM
To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Pickle Car - further question

 

David,

 

I'll have three pickle and food production plants to serve on my future layout with HJ Heinz, Lutz & Schramm, and Cruikshank Brothers. Have you stumbled across details for cars that transported pickles from the field plants to Lutz & Schramm and Cruikshank Brothers in Pittsburgh, Penna.?

 

 

 

Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

 

On 06/23/2021 9:08 PM David Leider <sooauthor@...> wrote:

 

 

Sguire-Dingee was a Chicago company, but had salting stations all over the midwest as w3ell as subsidaries in other parts of the US. Pickle cars of this type were used all over to pick up salted pickles for further processing
David Leider

 

 


Re: Photo: Pickle Car - further question

Eric Hansmann
 

Indeed, I do have David’s fine book. I should have checked that before posting but  my brain was addled after spending four days with my 2.5 year old grand daughter. I even forgot to reference my 1926 modeling window.

 

David Leider’s book notes that Lutz & Schramm had ten pickle tank cars and there are a couple of photos on page 68. Oddly, they are not listed in the January 1925 and October 1926 digital ORER issues at hand. David notes that the earliest L&S cars were similar to the early Heinz cars, so that’s an option for a Westerfield kit if a prototype photo surfaces.

 

Cruikshank Brothers was the smallest of the three operations served by the B&O Allegheny Yard branch. A few cars show up on the pickle tank car owner table on page 132, but  they are later in the 1930s. It would seem odd, to me, for a Heinz or L&S pickle tank car to deliver product to Cruikshank. How did smaller operations receive their pickles? Libby (33 cars) and Squire Dingee (15) had the next largest 1926 fleets after Heinz (65). L&S had the fourth largest of that time with ten cars (as per the pickle tank car owner table in the book).

 

I have the Heinz color folio with plans that was mentioned on another email. The plans are colors will be helpful in upgrading a few Athearn cars I recently bought. I haven’t sat down with a scale ruler to check dimensions on those, yet.

 

I was just thinking ahead for upcoming freight car fleet needs as eleven cars are nearing the weathering stages. Many thanks for all of the prominent pickle posts. They perked up my day!

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of BRIAN PAUL EHNI
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2021 1:50 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Pickle Car - further question

 

Eric: do you have David J. Leider’s “Pickle and Vinegar Makers of the Midwest”? I don’t think it applies directly to your situation, but it has lots of info on plant layouts, photos of plants, cars, etc.

 

I’ll lend you my copy if you like.

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Eric Hansmann <eric@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 11:57 AM
To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Pickle Car - further question

 

David,

 

I'll have three pickle and food production plants to serve on my future layout with HJ Heinz, Lutz & Schramm, and Cruikshank Brothers. Have you stumbled across details for cars that transported pickles from the field plants to Lutz & Schramm and Cruikshank Brothers in Pittsburgh, Penna.?

 

 

 

Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

 

On 06/23/2021 9:08 PM David Leider <sooauthor@...> wrote:

 

 

Sguire-Dingee was a Chicago company, but had salting stations all over the midwest as w3ell as subsidaries in other parts of the US. Pickle cars of this type were used all over to pick up salted pickles for further processing
David Leider

 

 


Re: B&O ds trussrod boxcar (72448 maybe?) at Pittsburg and Fairmont Fuel Company WV in 1907

Eric Lombard
 

Greetings, Everyone. Once again I am late to the party....

I would like to share some information you might find interesting. B&O 72948 belongs to their class M-8 of which 21,060 can be documented as built over 1896 - 1900.

#72948 Began life as a member of B&OS-W 15000-15750 built 1898 - c.1899.

Over 1903 - c.1906 those series were renumbered to B&O 70000-72699. These cars were stencilled as #72948 in the photo. What is hard to notice are white stipples beneath "Baltimore & Ohio" to the right of the door. That is a small font "B&OS-W" -- marginally more detectable in the attached photo of #71496 shared with me by both Ray Breyer and Eric Hundsman. The last of 70000-72699 in original configuration was retired in 1928; #71260. See footnote 1.

Beginning 1912, about 64% of the active M-8's were rebuilt with upgrades. Nearly all were renumbered. See footnote 2.

cheers,
Eric L


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1. The B&O 1901-1907 renumbering--- The Safety Appliance Act of February 1893 required (among other things) that "enough"(!) freight cars in a train have air brakes so that the train could be stopped without use of hand brakes. Compliance by March 1898 was extended to March 1900. The act was amended in 1903 to require 50% of cars to have air brakes [3982, 5-6]. Renumbering the M-08 in combined B&O 38000-64399, combined B&OS-W 15000-17759, and P&W 16000-16249 into various series within 65000-89999 "may" correlate with installation of air brakes on those not already so equipped. Most certainly, clearing serials below 65000 for freight cars other than box cars and bringing the B&OS-W and P&W into the overall B&O numbering scheme were important correlates of the renumbering. I've not seen any documentation for this correlation. If you know of documentation I would very much like to hear from you.

2. Over 1912-1916 + 1917 & 1921 a minimum of 11,736+ M-8 were RBLT out of the 18,,300 still active in early 1912: 64%. Twenty were RBLT with steel underframes, M-08A, 1912-13. Over 11,200 M-08B were RBLT with steel center sills having a modest fishbelly 
shape, steel body and truck bolsters, and outside metal roofs on many, 1912-1916 +1917. Finally, 500 M-O8C were rebuilt by AFC 1921. If not already so modified, all cars are brought into compliance with the United States Safety Appliance Act to meet the original 1916 deadline for those requirements (later extended to 1920). Rebuilding occurred both at the B&O shops and the commercial builders ACF, BCF, RSC, SSC, and RCC.

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On Wed, Jun 23, 2021 at 10:05 AM Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) <claus@...> wrote:
Hi List Members,
 
B&O ds trussrod boxcar (72448 maybe?) at Pittsburg and Fairmont Fuel Company WV in 1907
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


Re: Photo: Pickle Car - further question

Clarence Zink
 

Was that old Athearn "blue box" pickle car kit from the 1960's or so anywhere near correct?

CRZ


Re: Vallejo galvanized paint color

Jim and Barbara van Gaasbeek
 

Brian – thank you very much.  Based on the box art of the kit, looks like it was the silver color, but weathered.

 

Jim van Gaasbeek

Irvine, CA

 

 


Re: Vallejo galvanized paint color

 

Anodizing may be one of several colors…

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Jim and Barbara van Gaasbeek <jvgbvg@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Friday, June 25, 2021 at 12:31 PM
To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Vallejo galvanized paint color

 

I have a slightly different question – what paint or paint mix would be right for anodized aluminum?

 

The color is necessary for a kit, but I’ve never seen anodized aluminum, so not even sure what color it is.

 

 

 

Jim van Gaasbeek

Irvein, CA


Re: Vallejo galvanized paint color

Jim and Barbara van Gaasbeek
 

I have a slightly different question – what paint or paint mix would be right for anodized aluminum?

 

The color is necessary for a kit, but I’ve never seen anodized aluminum, so not even sure what color it is.

 

 

 

Jim van Gaasbeek

Irvein, CA


Re: Vallejo galvanized paint color

Brian Carlson
 

I’m familiar with that mix of floquil  but mine is gone. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On Jun 25, 2021, at 12:04 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


That's my mix too!

I still have some Floquil colors which work beautifully for weathered galvanized metal.

But brand new galvanized metal is very shiny. And really old stuff is sometimes almost
white perhaps from constant exposure to the sun.



On 6/25/2021 11:46 AM, James Brewer wrote:
Brian,

I've no experience with Vallejo but many years ago, in an article by Mont Switzer, he recommended a 50:50 mix of silver and reefer grey.  I followed his advice, on a Monon steam era freight car, and was  pleased with the result.

Jim Brewer

On Fri, Jun 25, 2021 at 11:34 AM Brian Carlson via groups.io <prrk41361=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Does anyone have a recommendation of a Vallejo color that would replicate the look of galvanized metal? I was going through online charts but nothing was standing out. Have to paint some steam era freight cars.

Brian J. Carlson

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Vallejo galvanized paint color

Dave Parker
 

Brian:

I like Vallejo's Oily Steel for galvanized.  Then a light overspray of a contrasting gray.  I use something darker, but lighter might work as well.

I think there are some Youtube videos on Vallejo metal colors as well.
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: Vallejo galvanized paint color

Tim O'Connor
 

That's my mix too!

I still have some Floquil colors which work beautifully for weathered galvanized metal.

But brand new galvanized metal is very shiny. And really old stuff is sometimes almost
white perhaps from constant exposure to the sun.



On 6/25/2021 11:46 AM, James Brewer wrote:
Brian,

I've no experience with Vallejo but many years ago, in an article by Mont Switzer, he recommended a 50:50 mix of silver and reefer grey.  I followed his advice, on a Monon steam era freight car, and was  pleased with the result.

Jim Brewer

On Fri, Jun 25, 2021 at 11:34 AM Brian Carlson via groups.io <prrk41361=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Does anyone have a recommendation of a Vallejo color that would replicate the look of galvanized metal? I was going through online charts but nothing was standing out. Have to paint some steam era freight cars.

Brian J. Carlson

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Vallejo galvanized paint color

James Brewer
 

Brian,

I've no experience with Vallejo but many years ago, in an article by Mont Switzer, he recommended a 50:50 mix of silver and reefer grey.  I followed his advice, on a Monon steam era freight car, and was  pleased with the result.

Jim Brewer

On Fri, Jun 25, 2021 at 11:34 AM Brian Carlson via groups.io <prrk41361=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Does anyone have a recommendation of a Vallejo color that would replicate the look of galvanized metal? I was going through online charts but nothing was standing out. Have to paint some steam era freight cars.

Brian J. Carlson






Vallejo galvanized paint color

Brian Carlson
 

Does anyone have a recommendation of a Vallejo color that would replicate the look of galvanized metal? I was going through online charts but nothing was standing out. Have to paint some steam era freight cars.

Brian J. Carlson


Milling a Running Board

Lester Breuer
 

When describing the build of a freight car with a wood running board I may state I milled the running board thinner or to prototype thickness.  I have been asked why and how I do that.  If you are interested in why I may mill it and how with a Dremel tool, photos and writeup are now available on my blog I have to share photos and writeup of modeling projects on my Minneapolis & Northland Railroad Company.   If you would like to take a look please do at the following link:

 

http://mnrailroadcab100.blogspot.com/

 

 

Lester Breuer

 


Re: Photo: Pickle Car - further question

mel perry
 

there was also a web site dedicated to
the boxcar/reefer of HJH, but that has
long since disappeared
mel perry


On Fri, Jun 25, 2021, 1:54 AM Frank Pearsall <plans@...> wrote:
Good morning all:

I have a two page set of 1/4” drawings  for (1) H.J. Heinz Pickle Tank Car with enclosed tops (dated April 19, 1941) and (2) H.J. Heinz Vinegar Tank Car (dated May 7, 1941). The drawings are from the H.J. Heinz Company itself and are labeled “…for model construction”.

Back in the 1980s, when NMRA Sigs were all the big rage, there was an H.J. Heinz one for the pickle tank cars. I think we had a kinda-sorta newsletter and used to have informal get-togethers at NMRA nationals. I went down to my Jack Benny sub-basement and looked in my old archives, but couldn’t find anything. There might have been 10 or so guys in the group. The  only one I can recall right now was Al Westerfield.

Frank A. Pearsall
Brevard, N.C.

On Jun 25, 2021, at 12:07 AM, Kenneth Montero <va661midlo@...> wrote:

FWIW, Athearn made a pickle car that could be built with exposed tubs or enclosed tubs. They were lettered for H.J.Heinz. I don't know how close it was to any prototype.

Ken Montero 

-------- Original message --------
From: BRIAN PAUL EHNI <bpehni@...>
Date: 6/24/21 3:15 PM (GMT-05:00)
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Pickle Car - further question

Correction. The Heinz cars were tubs, but this photo shows they may have been enclosed.

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni


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