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Accurail 6- Panel Outside Braced Single Sheathed Boxcar

webotkin
 

Hi,

Sorry if this has been covered previously, but is the Accurail 6-panel outside braced single sheathed boxcar in their 7000 series based on a specific prototype and if so which roads would be accurate?

http://www.accurail.com/accurail/7000.htm

Thanks.

William Botkin
Centennial, CO


Re: Walthers HO Scale Gondola

Benjamin Hom
 

Tony Thompson wrote:
"Not sure whose tooling this was originally, maybe LifeLike, but it ain’t an SP gondola. It’s an 8-panel car, numbered for SP Class G-50-2, but those were 14-panel cars, with two of the panels wider than the others."

I found these kitbashes by Jason Hill interesting, especially since I have a bunch of these things:


Ben Hom


Re: Walthers HO Scale Gondola

kevinhlafferty
 

The underframe/floor tooling is almost definitely the old Train Miniature tooling. The body I have no idea as the only gondola TM ever offered was a Hart ballast gondola. Perhaps Walthers tooled the body to fit the TM underframe. 

Kevin L


Re: Walthers HO Scale Gondola

Benjamin Hom
 

Claus Schlund wrote:
"So that we are all talking about the same thing, a picture is worth at least a thousand words, right? We are talking about something like what is shown in the link below, correct?"
 
Correct, and the photo tells me what I need to know regarding the lineage of this tooling - it's ex-AHM.  The underframe is the one-piece 40 ft underframe used on everything from PS-1 boxcars to vinegar and helium tank cars.


Ben Hom


Re: Walthers HO Scale Gondola

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi Bob and Ben,
 
So that we are all talking about the same thing, a picture is worth at least a thousand words, right? We are talking about something like what is shown in the link below, correct?
 
 
Claus Schlund
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, June 28, 2021 7:48 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Walthers HO Scale Gondola

Bob Chaparro wrote:
"I picked-up a Walthers forty-foot SP gondola, stock # 932-3805. The very low price, replacement sill steps, replacement metal wheels and good weathering job were the selling points.  Walthers no longer offers this car.

So, given that it is a Walthers model, is there any chance this car is based on or reasonably close to an actual prototype?"

Not really.  It's coincidentally close to some C&EI cars - do a search on "C&EI gons" in the group archives for the posts.


"And is the model original to Walthers or did another firm sell the original tooling to them?"

Not original to Walthers and not in the Train-Miniature line.  This 7-side post steel gon with dreadnaught ends has been offered by many manufacturers over the years, starting with Varney c. 1955, subsequently offered by Life-Like, with a close copy in AHM's line.  Cox tooled a copy of this car with slightly different side posts and ends, and this model ended up with Bachmann.  Not sure whose tooling ended up with Walthers.

As old tooling goes, this model isn't that outlandish.  The ends are a bit crude, but the model is certainly plausible.  It's too bad that the number of prototypes don't match the numbers of these models sold over the past 55+ years.


Ben Hom  


Re: Fw: Milwaukee car diagram book 1958

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

Rick:

Is this the one about the size of a checkbook?  I had one of these and would have to dig it out.

Bill



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


-------- Original message --------
From: Rick Naylor <thehobbystop@...>
Date: 6/28/21 9:12 AM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Fw: Milwaukee car diagram book 1958

I would like to get a copy of the Milwaukee car diagram book, if <railsunl@...> your paypal or would you prefer credit cars?


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Ted Schnepf <railsunl@...>
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2021 8:07 PM
To: STMFC E-List <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Fw: Milwaukee car diagram book 1958
 
Hello,

I have reproduced a Milwaukee freight car diagram book from 1958, just at the end of the classic era.

The original book in my collection, measured 4 1/2" by 11 1/2". The reproduced size is 8 1/2 by 11", allowing two diagrams per page. The comb binding allows the book to open flat. Note the sample page shows two rib side boxcars, one with a end door.

The 1958 date starts with some modernization of the freight car fleet, while still listing many composite car classes built in the 1920's. There are many surprises, such as 50' composite wood chip car, many variations of flat cars from 36' to 53', log cars, covered hoppers, MOW cars and cabooses.

81 pages for $29.95 plus shipping.

Please contact me off list.


Ted Schnepf
126 Will Scarlet,
Elgin, Ill. 60120


847=697-5353

----- Forwarded Message -----
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To: ted schnepf <railsunl@...>
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2021, 12:56:23 PM CDT
Subject: Milwaukee car diagram book 1958







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Re: Walthers HO Scale Gondola

Benjamin Hom
 

Bob Chaparro wrote:
"I picked-up a Walthers forty-foot SP gondola, stock # 932-3805. The very low price, replacement sill steps, replacement metal wheels and good weathering job were the selling points.  Walthers no longer offers this car.

So, given that it is a Walthers model, is there any chance this car is based on or reasonably close to an actual prototype?"

Not really.  It's coincidentally close to some C&EI cars - do a search on "C&EI gons" in the group archives for the posts.


"And is the model original to Walthers or did another firm sell the original tooling to them?"

Not original to Walthers and not in the Train-Miniature line.  This 7-side post steel gon with dreadnaught ends has been offered by many manufacturers over the years, starting with Varney c. 1955, subsequently offered by Life-Like, with a close copy in AHM's line.  Cox tooled a copy of this car with slightly different side posts and ends, and this model ended up with Bachmann.  Not sure whose tooling ended up with Walthers.

As old tooling goes, this model isn't that outlandish.  The ends are a bit crude, but the model is certainly plausible.  It's too bad that the number of prototypes don't match the numbers of these models sold over the past 55+ years.


Ben Hom  


Re: Walthers HO Scale Gondola

Tony Thompson
 

Bob Chaparro  wrote:

I picked-up a Walthers forty-foot SP gondola, stock # 932-3805. The very low price, replacement sill steps, replacement metal wheels and good weathering job were the selling points.
So, given that it is a Walthers model, is there any chance this car is based on or reasonably close to an actual prototype?
And is the model original to Walthers or did another firm sell the original tooling to them?

Not sure whose tooling this was originally, maybe LifeLike, but it ain’t an SP gondola. It’s an 8-panel car, numbered for SP Class G-50-2, but those were 14-panel cars, with two of the panels wider than the others.

Tony Thompson



Re: Walthers HO Scale Gondola

Patrick Wade
 

I found this on the web after a search by Walther's stock number.

"The Walthers 40' Gondola was first offered in the spring of 1986.  The first annual catalog appearance is the 1987 edition.  Six roadnames (CB&Q, D&RGW, Erie, PRR, SP, and Wabash), plus an Undecorated example were offered in '86 in kit form with a retail price of $4.95 each." 

Pat Wade
Santa Barbara, CA


On Mon, Jun 28, 2021 at 4:03 PM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Walthers HO Scale Gondola

I picked-up a Walthers forty-foot SP gondola, stock # 932-3805. The very low price, replacement sill steps, replacement metal wheels and good weathering job were the selling points.

Walthers no longer offers this car.

So, given that it is a Walthers model, is there any chance this car is based on or reasonably close to an actual prototype?

And is the model original to Walthers or did another firm sell the original tooling to them?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Walthers HO Scale Gondola

Bob Chaparro
 

Walthers HO Scale Gondola

I picked-up a Walthers forty-foot SP gondola, stock # 932-3805. The very low price, replacement sill steps, replacement metal wheels and good weathering job were the selling points.

Walthers no longer offers this car.

So, given that it is a Walthers model, is there any chance this car is based on or reasonably close to an actual prototype?

And is the model original to Walthers or did another firm sell the original tooling to them?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: B&O ds trussrod boxcar (72448 maybe?) at Pittsburg and Fairmont Fuel Company WV in 1907

Eric Lombard
 

Ha-Ha! Never noticed that.

On Sat, Jun 26, 2021 at 2:45 PM Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) <claus@...> wrote:
Hi Eric and List Members,
 
Thanks Eric for the info.
 
Has anyone noticed the fact that the car in the image attached to Eric's original email is stencilled
 
BALTIMOMORE & OHIO
 
Now who is going to dare to model THAT?!?
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2021 3:21 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] B&O ds trussrod boxcar (72448 maybe?) at Pittsburg and Fairmont Fuel Company WV in 1907

Greetings, Everyone. Once again I am late to the party....

I would like to share some information you might find interesting. B&O 72948 belongs to their class M-8 of which 21,060 can be documented as built over 1896 - 1900.

#72948 Began life as a member of B&OS-W 15000-15750 built 1898 - c.1899.

Over 1903 - c.1906 those series were renumbered to B&O 70000-72699. These cars were stencilled as #72948 in the photo. What is hard to notice are white stipples beneath "Baltimore & Ohio" to the right of the door. That is a small font "B&OS-W" -- marginally more detectable in the attached photo of #71496 shared with me by both Ray Breyer and Eric Hundsman. The last of 70000-72699 in original configuration was retired in 1928; #71260. See footnote 1.

Beginning 1912, about 64% of the active M-8's were rebuilt with upgrades. Nearly all were renumbered. See footnote 2.

cheers,
Eric L


----------------------------
1. The B&O 1901-1907 renumbering--- The Safety Appliance Act of February 1893 required (among other things) that "enough"(!) freight cars in a train have air brakes so that the train could be stopped without use of hand brakes. Compliance by March 1898 was extended to March 1900. The act was amended in 1903 to require 50% of cars to have air brakes [3982, 5-6]. Renumbering the M-08 in combined B&O 38000-64399, combined B&OS-W 15000-17759, and P&W 16000-16249 into various series within 65000-89999 "may" correlate with installation of air brakes on those not already so equipped. Most certainly, clearing serials below 65000 for freight cars other than box cars and bringing the B&OS-W and P&W into the overall B&O numbering scheme were important correlates of the renumbering. I've not seen any documentation for this correlation. If you know of documentation I would very much like to hear from you.

2. Over 1912-1916 + 1917 & 1921 a minimum of 11,736+ M-8 were RBLT out of the 18,,300 still active in early 1912: 64%. Twenty were RBLT with steel underframes, M-08A, 1912-13. Over 11,200 M-08B were RBLT with steel center sills having a modest fishbelly 
shape, steel body and truck bolsters, and outside metal roofs on many, 1912-1916 +1917. Finally, 500 M-O8C were rebuilt by AFC 1921. If not already so modified, all cars are brought into compliance with the United States Safety Appliance Act to meet the original 1916 deadline for those requirements (later extended to 1920). Rebuilding occurred both at the B&O shops and the commercial builders ACF, BCF, RSC, SSC, and RCC.

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On Wed, Jun 23, 2021 at 10:05 AM Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) <claus@...> wrote:
Hi List Members,
 
B&O ds trussrod boxcar (72448 maybe?) at Pittsburg and Fairmont Fuel Company WV in 1907
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


Re: Fw: Milwaukee car diagram book 1958

Rick Naylor
 

I would like to get a copy of the Milwaukee car diagram book, if <railsunl@...> your paypal or would you prefer credit cars?


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Ted Schnepf <railsunl@...>
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2021 8:07 PM
To: STMFC E-List <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Fw: Milwaukee car diagram book 1958
 
Hello,

I have reproduced a Milwaukee freight car diagram book from 1958, just at the end of the classic era.

The original book in my collection, measured 4 1/2" by 11 1/2". The reproduced size is 8 1/2 by 11", allowing two diagrams per page. The comb binding allows the book to open flat. Note the sample page shows two rib side boxcars, one with a end door.

The 1958 date starts with some modernization of the freight car fleet, while still listing many composite car classes built in the 1920's. There are many surprises, such as 50' composite wood chip car, many variations of flat cars from 36' to 53', log cars, covered hoppers, MOW cars and cabooses.

81 pages for $29.95 plus shipping.

Please contact me off list.


Ted Schnepf
126 Will Scarlet,
Elgin, Ill. 60120


847=697-5353

----- Forwarded Message -----
From: ted schnepf <railsunl@...>
To: ted schnepf <railsunl@...>
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2021, 12:56:23 PM CDT
Subject: Milwaukee car diagram book 1958







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RPCs for sale

Jerry Michels
 

The Amarillo Railroad Museum has the following RPCs for sale at $25 each plus shipping.  Contact me off list please. Jerry Michels

1,10,11,12,14,15

Thanks


Re: Photo: Pickle Car - further question

Eric Hansmann
 

Thanks for the tip, Claus!

HJHX 77 is among the Lake States collection. It's one of the General American cars built in 1925. The photo is from 1950-51, based upon the repack stencil on the car ahead of #77 in the photo. The pickle tank car has been modified from the original appearance. The side sheathing is gone and extra braces have been added.


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN



On 06/28/2021 8:05 AM Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) <claus@...> wrote:


Hi David and List members,

In my collection of photos on my computer, downloaded from the internet, I have an image of HJHX 77, an open 4-tub pickle car. It has the watermark from Lake States Railway Historical Association, so you might find the image by searching at the link below...


Enjoy!

Claus Schlund


Re: Photo: Pickle Car - further question

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi David and List members,
 
In my collection of photos on my computer, downloaded from the internet, I have an image of HJHX 77, an open 4-tub pickle car. It has the watermark from Lake States Railway Historical Association, so you might find the image by searching at the link below...
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2021 11:04 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Pickle Car - further question

Lutz & Schramm was purchased by Squire-Dingee in 1937, although it kept its name. At one time they had 14 cars.  There is a photo in my pickle book showing a L&S car new in 1946. It was built by the Thrall Car company. 
They purchased Cruikshank Brothers in 1952. They had 3 cars at one time. Both used the typical 4 vat cars. Heinz also had 4 vat cars, but most were the enclosed type.
Hope this helps
David Leider


Carbon black hopper kit tips

Eric Hansmann
 

Jay Styron shares his work on a carbon black hopper kit in the latest Resin Car Works blog post.

Eric Hansmann
RCW web guy


Re: Photo: Pickle Car - further question

 

Lutz & Schramm was purchased by Squire-Dingee in 1937, although it kept its name. At one time they had 14 cars.  There is a photo in my pickle book showing a L&S car new in 1946. It was built by the Thrall Car company. 
They purchased Cruikshank Brothers in 1952. They had 3 cars at one time. Both used the typical 4 vat cars. Heinz also had 4 vat cars, but most were the enclosed type.
Hope this helps
David Leider


Re: Photos: Single Sheathed Boxcar 162739 (Not 162736)

Steve SANDIFER
 

I have photos of the other side. It appears to have been sideswiped. The door has been removed on the other side and the hold filled with wood with a window and wooden door added. There is no ladder on the other side at all.

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of mel perry
Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2021 11:28 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photos: Single Sheathed Boxcar 162739 (Not 162736)

 

is that an updide down pullman standard

ladder?

 

On Sun, Jun 27, 2021, 9:16 AM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Photos: Single Sheathed Boxcar 162739 (Not 162736)

Photo from the Frisco Archive:

https://frisco.org/mainline/2015/12/17/outside-braced-boxcar-162736/

Click on the photos to enlarge.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photos: Single Sheathed Boxcar 162739 (Not 162736)

kevinhlafferty
 

It's also missing its brake hardware. This car is part of the collection at the Railroad Museum of Oklahoma.

Kevin L.


Re: Photos: Single Sheathed Boxcar 162739 (Not 162736)

mel perry
 

has to be, the roof walk end supports on
both ends are damaged, as well as the two end steps on the "b" end, looks like
both were squeezed and bent outward
beyond the car evenlope, definitely a
damaged car
;-)
mel perry



On Sun, Jun 27, 2021, 3:15 PM Douglas Harding <iowacentralrr@...> wrote:

Looks like a couple of ladders laying on the ground next to the car. Fresh welds on the upside down ladder. And other safety appliances look to be in rough shape. Even missing rivets where the car end is attached to the sides. Is this car sitting on a RIP track?

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Madden via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2021 12:59 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photos: Single Sheathed Boxcar 162739 (Not 162736)

 

On Sun, Jun 27, 2021 at 10:28 AM, mel perry wrote:

is that an updide down pullman standard

ladder?

Looks like it. Also no ladder on the "A" end.

Tom Madden

 

 

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