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Re: A B&M USRA composite gon at a coal mine in West Virginia (undated)

akerboomk
 

For the gory details:

            https://www.bmrrhs.org/gondola_90000_series/

 

From the “Car book” drawing it confirms the 1933 rebuild date.

Note there is at least one photo with original (6 rib) ends and rectangular herald

 

Thanks for finding this photo!

 

Certainly far afield, [speculating] perhaps a WW II date due to car shortages?

Ken


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Ken Akerboom


Re: Photo: Pickle Car - further question

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Thanks, Todd, very useful information!

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Todd Sullivan via groups.io
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2021 1:07 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Pickle Car - further question

 

Hey Schuyler,

This isn't about a pickle car per se, but there was a Bloch & Guggenheim pickle works on the PRR Elmira Branch at Seneca Castle, NY.  It was still there in the early 1990s when I was researching that line.  There were a lot of pickle cucumbers grown in that area, also a lot of cabbage used for making sauerkraut.  There were sauerkraut plants along the Elmira Branch, also.  Cabbage was occasionally shipped in stock cars.

Todd Sullivan


Re: A B&M USRA composite gon at a coal mine in West Virginia (undated)

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Maybe.  Might have been a while since it was last on B&M rails, and even then . . .

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don Burn
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2021 2:01 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] A B&M USRA composite gon at a coal mine in West Virginia (undated)

 

Schuyler,

 

     It could be post war but the paint looks reasonable fresh and if it is postwar the herald would be different.

 

Don Burn

     

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2021 1:22 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] A B&M USRA composite gon at a coal mine in West Virginia (undated)

 

Dave, I’m looking at the construction methods and materials of that mind building, and I think it may well be into the late 40s.  Post war, I ‘d say.

 

Eric, thanks for the photoshop work, the picture was near worthless to me otherwise.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2021 12:49 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] A B&M USRA composite gon at a coal mine in West Virginia (undated)

 

I massaged the image in Photoshop by adjusting levels and sharpening a bit. See the attached.

 

It's great to see several gondolas loaded and on the ready track at this coal mine.

 

 

 

Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

 

On 07/02/2021 9:57 AM Dave Parker via groups.io <spottab@...> wrote:

 

 

Claus and group:

The B&M gon is one of 733 (of the original 1500) that was rebuilt with 4-rib dreadnaught ends in 1933 (as per the late Tim Gilbert) and given the rectangular B&M herald.  The car looks to be in fairly good repair, so I would guess mid-30s or so.

Photos of these cars are rare, and this is the first I have seen of one off-line.

Thanks for sharing.
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA

 

 


Re: A B&M USRA composite gon at a coal mine in West Virginia (undated)

Don Burn
 

Schuyler,

 

     It could be post war but the paint looks reasonable fresh and if it is postwar the herald would be different.

 

Don Burn

     

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2021 1:22 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] A B&M USRA composite gon at a coal mine in West Virginia (undated)

 

Dave, I’m looking at the construction methods and materials of that mind building, and I think it may well be into the late 40s.  Post war, I ‘d say.

 

Eric, thanks for the photoshop work, the picture was near worthless to me otherwise.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2021 12:49 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] A B&M USRA composite gon at a coal mine in West Virginia (undated)

 

I massaged the image in Photoshop by adjusting levels and sharpening a bit. See the attached.

 

It's great to see several gondolas loaded and on the ready track at this coal mine.

 

 

 

Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

 

On 07/02/2021 9:57 AM Dave Parker via groups.io <spottab@...> wrote:

 

 

Claus and group:

The B&M gon is one of 733 (of the original 1500) that was rebuilt with 4-rib dreadnaught ends in 1933 (as per the late Tim Gilbert) and given the rectangular B&M herald.  The car looks to be in fairly good repair, so I would guess mid-30s or so.

Photos of these cars are rare, and this is the first I have seen of one off-line.

Thanks for sharing.
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA

 

 


Re: A B&M USRA composite gon at a coal mine in West Virginia (undated)

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Dave, I’m looking at the construction methods and materials of that mind building, and I think it may well be into the late 40s.  Post war, I ‘d say.

 

Eric, thanks for the photoshop work, the picture was near worthless to me otherwise.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2021 12:49 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] A B&M USRA composite gon at a coal mine in West Virginia (undated)

 

I massaged the image in Photoshop by adjusting levels and sharpening a bit. See the attached.

 

It's great to see several gondolas loaded and on the ready track at this coal mine.

 

 

 

Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

 

On 07/02/2021 9:57 AM Dave Parker via groups.io <spottab@...> wrote:

 

 

Claus and group:

The B&M gon is one of 733 (of the original 1500) that was rebuilt with 4-rib dreadnaught ends in 1933 (as per the late Tim Gilbert) and given the rectangular B&M herald.  The car looks to be in fairly good repair, so I would guess mid-30s or so.

Photos of these cars are rare, and this is the first I have seen of one off-line.

Thanks for sharing.
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA

 

 


Re: A B&M USRA composite gon at a coal mine in West Virginia (undated)

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Hey, isn’t that B&M composite very close to the Walthers gon that was getting so much disrespect on this list a week or so ago?  Certainly in the “close enough” category.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2021 12:49 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] A B&M USRA composite gon at a coal mine in West Virginia (undated)

 

I massaged the image in Photoshop by adjusting levels and sharpening a bit. See the attached.

 

It's great to see several gondolas loaded and on the ready track at this coal mine.

 

 

 

Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

 

On 07/02/2021 9:57 AM Dave Parker via groups.io <spottab@...> wrote:

 

 

Claus and group:

The B&M gon is one of 733 (of the original 1500) that was rebuilt with 4-rib dreadnaught ends in 1933 (as per the late Tim Gilbert) and given the rectangular B&M herald.  The car looks to be in fairly good repair, so I would guess mid-30s or so.

Photos of these cars are rare, and this is the first I have seen of one off-line.

Thanks for sharing.
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA

 

 


Car Builder’s Dictionaries

Bob Chaparro
 


Re: Photo: Pickle Car - further question

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Thanks for that little nudge, Eric!

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2021 12:56 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Pickle Car - further question

 

Thanks for sharing these photos, Jim! I've seen the Hyman Pickle car images before but did not realize they were builder photos.

 

There are several images of Heinz pickle tank cars featured in this HJ Heinz photo collection on the Historic Pittsburgh digital site.

 

While there are 3000+ images, you can minimize the number by adjusting the date filter to focus on photos for your era of interest.

 

 

Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

On 06/24/2021 1:37 PM James Babcock via groups.io <babcockjames@...> wrote:

 

 

 

Here is a view more photos. I thought I had a Heinze one but can't find it now.

Jim

 

 


Re: Erie Ore Car Finished

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Mel, thanks for posting those great photos!!  I’m honored to be listed as a contributor to the project.  And I am embarrassingly ENVIOUS of the model.  It’s on my bucket list, but I fear it’s too far down the list for me to ever get to it.  Always wanted one since I saw the on-line photos and the Edison film of one in a rotary dumper!

 

Extend my congratulations and admiration to Jim Kubajak!

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mel Chase via groups.io
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2021 12:56 PM
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Subject: [RealSTMFC] Erie Ore Car Finished

 

The Erie Ore Car has been completed by Jim Kubajak  .  I added six pictures to the Photo Section.  For all the replies and help, a big Thank You goes out to Tom Evans, Steve Hile, Schuyler Larrabee, Dennis Storzek, Ralph W. Brown, Charles Peck, and Dave Bott.   Mel


Re: Photo: Pickle Car - further question

Todd Sullivan
 

Hey Schuyler,

This isn't about a pickle car per se, but there was a Bloch & Guggenheim pickle works on the PRR Elmira Branch at Seneca Castle, NY.  It was still there in the early 1990s when I was researching that line.  There were a lot of pickle cucumbers grown in that area, also a lot of cabbage used for making sauerkraut.  There were sauerkraut plants along the Elmira Branch, also.  Cabbage was occasionally shipped in stock cars.

Todd Sullivan


Erie Ore Car Finished

Mel Chase
 

The Erie Ore Car has been completed by Jim Kubajak  .  I added six pictures to the Photo Section.  For all the replies and help, a big Thank You goes out to Tom Evans, Steve Hile, Schuyler Larrabee, Dennis Storzek, Ralph W. Brown, Charles Peck, and Dave Bott.   Mel


Re: Photo: Pickle Car - further question

Eric Hansmann
 

Thanks for sharing these photos, Jim! I've seen the Hyman Pickle car images before but did not realize they were builder photos.

There are several images of Heinz pickle tank cars featured in this HJ Heinz photo collection on the Historic Pittsburgh digital site.

While there are 3000+ images, you can minimize the number by adjusting the date filter to focus on photos for your era of interest.


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN


On 06/24/2021 1:37 PM James Babcock via groups.io <babcockjames@...> wrote:



Here is a view more photos. I thought I had a Heinze one but can't find it now.
Jim



Re: A B&M USRA composite gon at a coal mine in West Virginia (undated)

Eric Hansmann
 

I massaged the image in Photoshop by adjusting levels and sharpening a bit. See the attached.

It's great to see several gondolas loaded and on the ready track at this coal mine.



Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On 07/02/2021 9:57 AM Dave Parker via groups.io <spottab@...> wrote:


Claus and group:

The B&M gon is one of 733 (of the original 1500) that was rebuilt with 4-rib dreadnaught ends in 1933 (as per the late Tim Gilbert) and given the rectangular B&M herald.  The car looks to be in fairly good repair, so I would guess mid-30s or so.

Photos of these cars are rare, and this is the first I have seen of one off-line.

Thanks for sharing.
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA



Re: Photo: Pickle Car - further question

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Thank you very much for these excellent photos.  I originated this “- further question” thread, and I’ve been hoping to see pickle cars that might have operated on lines in Upstate NY  at all, and preferably into the +/- 1950 time frame.

 

These seem to be built in the early 20s. but might have operated for several decades.

 

Schuyler

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Babcock via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2021 3:37 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io; main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Pickle Car - further question

 

Here is a view more photos. I thought I had a Heinze one but can't find it now.

Jim

 

On Thursday, June 24, 2021, 03:22:19 PM EDT, BRIAN PAUL EHNI <bpehni@...> wrote:

 

 

The book has a photo of an open side HJH tub car.

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of "BRIAN PAUL EHNI via groups.io" <bpehni@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 2:15 PM
To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Pickle Car - further question

 

Correction. The Heinz cars were tubs, but this photo shows they may have been enclosed.

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of "Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io" <schuyler.larrabee@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 2:10 PM
To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Pickle Car - further question

 

My original follow-on question to the photo that started this thread was intended to suggest some other users of the circular tub variety of pickle cars that would have been seen in the northeast, PA, NY, and neighboring states..  I was, perhaps, a little to elliptical in my rather vague question.  Any suggestions now that I’m being more specific?

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of BRIAN PAUL EHNI
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2021 2:50 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Pickle Car - further question

 

Eric: do you have David J. Leider’s “Pickle and Vinegar Makers of the Midwest”? I don’t think it applies directly to your situation, but it has lots of info on plant layouts, photos of plants, cars, etc.

 

I’ll lend you my copy if you like.

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Eric Hansmann <eric@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 11:57 AM
To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Pickle Car - further question

 

David,

 

I'll have three pickle and food production plants to serve on my future layout with HJ Heinz, Lutz & Schramm, and Cruikshank Brothers. Have you stumbled across details for cars that transported pickles from the field plants to Lutz & Schramm and Cruikshank Brothers in Pittsburgh, Penna.?

 

 

 

Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

 

On 06/23/2021 9:08 PM David Leider <sooauthor@...> wrote:

 

 

Sguire-Dingee was a Chicago company, but had salting stations all over the midwest as w3ell as subsidaries in other parts of the US. Pickle cars of this type were used all over to pick up salted pickles for further processing
David Leider

 

 


Re: Photo: Freight Cars In A Chicago Yard (1941)

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Apparently a 35 mm negative, from the perforations along the edge.  Still, downloading a bigger scan is helpful.  Lots of fun variety visible.  I like the Q car with the slogan on the car side instead of the door.  There is a Rock Island USRA rebuild in the long row of boxcars, too.

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Friday, July 2, 2021 11:02 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Freight Cars In A Chicago Yard (1941)

 

Photo: Freight Cars In A Chicago Yard (1941)

Photo from the Library of Congress:

https://www.loc.gov/resource/fsa.8a32941/

Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

The paired tracks and spacing between them leads me to conclude these tracks go to a team track area.

Just a guess. Alternative explanations?

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: SFRD 11461 (Rr-49)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: SFRD 11461 (Rr-49)

Photo from Trains Magazine:

https://www.trains.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/20210621.jpg

Caption:

“The Atchison, Topeka & Santa Fe rebuilt older wood refrigerator cars with steel sides instead of buying new cars. The Rr-49 class, pictured, introduced sliding plug doors in 1950. Santa Fe photo”

According to the Santa Fe reefer book, SFRD 11461 was one of 500 reefers (Series 11432-11931) rebuilt in 1950 from wood sheathed Class Rr-5 reefers originally built in 1927.

The Rr-49 reefers kept their original ARA underframe plus the rectangular roof panels installed on the Rr-5 cars between mid-1930 and mid-1940.

These were the first Santa Fe reefers to use convention hatch covers (see photo) rather than the Santa Fe’s characteristic reverse opening hatch covers.

The Rr-49 fleet took a huge hit between 1965 and 1968, decreasing to 223 cars from 457 cars.

There were 174 Rr-49 reefers on the live list in 1970. The last two Rr-49 cars saw revenue service up to 1974.

In HO scale resin kits, Sunshine Models offered a model of an Rr-49 reefer. Check E-Bay and swap meets as Sunshine no longer is in business.

Bob Chaparro

Moderator

Railroad Citrus Industry Modeling Group

https://groups.io/g/RailroadCitrusIndustryModelingGroup


Photo: PRR Livestock Cars (1941)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: PRR Livestock Cars (1941)

Photo from the Library of Congress:

https://www.loc.gov/resource/fsa.8c19605/

Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: Freight Cars In A Chicago Yard (1941)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Freight Cars In A Chicago Yard (1941)

Photo from the Library of Congress:

https://www.loc.gov/resource/fsa.8a32941/

Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

The paired tracks and spacing between them leads me to conclude these tracks go to a team track area.

Just a guess. Alternative explanations?

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photos: Hills Brothers Coffee Boxcars

Bob Chaparro
 

Photos: Hills Brothers Coffee Boxcars

Photos from the Protocraft Decals website:

https://www.protocraft.com/category.cfm?ItemID=764&Categoryid=20

Caption:

“Hills Bros ­Coffee Company, located on the Embarcadero in San Francisco, owned two wood colorfully decorated boxcars they received in

March of 1930. They were assigned road numbers 161 and 162, and restricted their use to the shipment of bags of ­coffee beans only.”

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: A B&M USRA composite gon at a coal mine in West Virginia (undated)

Dave Parker
 

Claus and group:

The B&M gon is one of 733 (of the original 1500) that was rebuilt with 4-rib dreadnaught ends in 1933 (as per the late Tim Gilbert) and given the rectangular B&M herald.  The car looks to be in fairly good repair, so I would guess mid-30s or so.

Photos of these cars are rare, and this is the first I have seen of one off-line.

Thanks for sharing.
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA

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