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Does anyone recognize the herald on the boxcars?

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
The image linked below was shot in San Francisco. This means it could be SP trackage (likely) or ATSF trackage (less likely) or State Belt RR (likely). Does anyone recognize the herald on the boxcars?
 
 
Metadata can be found at the link below
 
 
Claus Schlund
 


Re: Photos: Hills Brothers Coffee Boxcars

Tony Thompson
 

On an unrelated point, I was recently looking at old PROTOTYPE MODELER articles on TrainLife, and stumbled across one on Santa Fe freight car detailing written by "Dick Hendrickson". I have no doubt this was one of Richard's early pieces.

     Actually, Richard very much disliked the nickname “Dick” and really argued with the then-editor of PM, to no avail, as the editor wanted the authors to seem “accessible.”

Tony Thompson



Re: Photos: Hills Brothers Coffee Boxcars

Bob Chaparro
 

Hills Brothers Coffee (1938)

Photo from the OpenSFHistory website.

https://opensfhistory.org/Display/wnp14.2714.jpg

Caption:

“View west across Embarcadero to bridge, Hills Brothers Coffee Plant with freight cars alongside.”

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Yankee Clipper Erie ARA 1932 kit

Benjamin Hom
 

Clark Propst asked:
"I'm working on a Erie ARA 32 box car with Hutchins ends with no instructions. The only photo I have is of a 75000 series car with what appears to be 3 'innie' pressing per end panel. The kit has a Viking roof and '3 outie' pressings per panel. I would like a photo of one of these cars or at least a reference to one (I have RPCyc's, RMC Essentials) and most of the RMJs [except some of the last years]) The reason I ask is because the ladder rung spacing in the photo I have is way different than the Tichy ladders provided."

Erie 1932 ARA boxcars were in the 76500-76999 series and had Buckeye ends and Viking roof.  Builders' photos posted at George Elwood's website here:
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/el/frt/erie76949b.jpg 
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/el/frt/erie76949adb.jpg 

Ed Hawkins' summary spreadsheet here:
http://www.steamerafreightcars.com/prototype/frtcars/1932aramain.html


Ben Hom


Re: Yankee Clipper Erie ARA 1932 kit

Schleigh Mike
 

Hi Clark & Group!!

Your kit description appears to match the Yankee Clipper Kit No. 1932-120 for ERIE 76500-76999 of which I have one.  The ends are Buckeye which the ERIE seemed to have a favoring for back in the early 1930s.  I can send you the instructions if someone does not beat me to it.  Interestingly, Sunshine Kit No. 21.11 is also for this same prototype.  The same dark builder photos appear in both kit instructions and challenge the eye to count the seven rungs on the side and end ladders.  I have no other photos but I suspect there are some in the ELRHS publication but I will not be able to look soon for the helpful issues.  Your modeling era allows for both the original small diamond and the large six foot ERIE diamond that appeared in 1947.

What more do you need?

Regards----Mike Schleigh in Grove City, Penna.

On Friday, July 2, 2021, 03:42:30 PM EDT, Clark Propst via groups.io <cepropst@...> wrote:


I'm working on a Erie ARA 32 box car with Hutchins ends with no instructions. The only photo I have is of a 75000 series car with what appears to be 3 'innie' pressing per end panel. The kit has a Viking roof and '3 outie' pressings per panel. I would like a photo of one of these cars or at least a reference to one (I have RPCyc's, RMC Essentials) and most of the RMJs [except some of the last years]) The reason I ask is because the ladder rung spacing in the photo I have is way different than the Tichy ladders provided.
Thanks for any assistance,
Clark Propst


Re: Photo: Freight Cars In A Chicago Yard (1941)

Seth Lakin
 

Bob, this photo is shot at Illinois Central/New York Central’s South Water street terminal on Chicago. Yes those curving tracks were team tracks. The Chicago River is just off frame to the right, while Lake Michigan is a couple hundred feet behind the photographer. Today, most of this area is under street level, with skyscrapers and the north end of Grant Park built over this area. 


Seth Lakin
Michigan City, IN


Re: Yankee Clipper Erie ARA 1932 kit

Paul Doggett
 

Sent a link that may help you 

Paul Doggett 


On 2 Jul 2021, at 20:42, Clark Propst via groups.io <cepropst@...> wrote:

I'm working on a Erie ARA 32 box car with Hutchins ends with no instructions. The only photo I have is of a 75000 series car with what appears to be 3 'innie' pressing per end panel. The kit has a Viking roof and '3 outie' pressings per panel. I would like a photo of one of these cars or at least a reference to one (I have RPCyc's, RMC Essentials) and most of the RMJs [except some of the last years]) The reason I ask is because the ladder rung spacing in the photo I have is way different than the Tichy ladders provided.
Thanks for any assistance,
Clark Propst


Re: Photos: Hills Brothers Coffee Boxcars

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi Garth and List Members,
 
Thanks for the image of HBCX 162. The San Francisco Oakland Bay bridge can be seen in the background, giving us a quite exact location for this photo.
 
An image of the Hills Bros coffee building in San Francisco can be seen at the link below. Three boxcars are visible in the photo serving the plant - two of then are clearly ATSF cars, I cannot discern the road name for the third one. The web site gives a date of 1940, but the automobiles make me think this is from an earlier date. The building itself was built in 1930
 
 
There is also a video on the topic of Hills Bros coffee at the bottom of the above linked page - at 6:12 there is a brief sequence showing the Hills Bros building and some STMFCs in front of it
 
Claus Schlund
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2021 2:31 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photos: Hills Brothers Coffee Boxcars

Bob and Friends,

According to the late Richard Hendrickson, these cars were confined to the State Belt Railroad in San Francisco. They shuttled bags of beans from a dock to Hills Brothers' plant which was somewhat inland in the industrial part of The City. Silver Streak and TM both offered (incorrect) HO versions of these cars, and no doubt the "models" wandered around on many a layout as interchange cars. I managed to scare up an online photo of these cars that shows at least car 162 had steel ends.

Back in the 1960s my parents took my first girlfriend and myself to San Francisco for the day. We were treated to a tour of the Hills Brothers factory shortly before it closed (it was converted to an office building). She and I were both avid Man From Uncle fans, and had a lot of fun speculating about an episode set in the factory with lots of interesting conveyors and such for knocked out THRUSH baddies to be carried up.

On an unrelated point, I was recently looking at old PROTOTYPE MODELER articles on TrainLife, and stumbled across one on Santa Fe freight car detailing written by "Dick Hendrickson". I have no doubt this was one of Richard's early pieces.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Fri, Jul 2, 2021 at 12:01 PM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Photos: Hills Brothers Coffee Boxcars

Photos from the Protocraft Decals website:

https://www.protocraft.com/category.cfm?ItemID=764&Categoryid=20

Caption:

“Hills Bros ­Coffee Company, located on the Embarcadero in San Francisco, owned two wood colorfully decorated boxcars they received in

March of 1930. They were assigned road numbers 161 and 162, and restricted their use to the shipment of bags of ­coffee beans only.”

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Yankee Clipper Erie ARA 1932 kit

Clark Propst
 

I'm working on a Erie ARA 32 box car with Hutchins ends with no instructions. The only photo I have is of a 75000 series car with what appears to be 3 'innie' pressing per end panel. The kit has a Viking roof and '3 outie' pressings per panel. I would like a photo of one of these cars or at least a reference to one (I have RPCyc's, RMC Essentials) and most of the RMJs [except some of the last years]) The reason I ask is because the ladder rung spacing in the photo I have is way different than the Tichy ladders provided.
Thanks for any assistance,
Clark Propst


Re: Photo: Pickle Car - further question

Richard Townsend
 

I was just going through some of my photos and came across two photos of interest. One is a photo of a Squire Dingee pickle car at the Dreher Pickle Company plant in Fort Collins, Colorado. It was being loaded to take excess pickles from Dreher to some other packer. The other shows a Keokuk pickle car at Dreher. Two examples of other companies' pickle cars at a pickle factory.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io <schuyler.larrabee@...>
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Sent: Fri, Jul 2, 2021 11:12 am
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Pickle Car - further question

Thanks, Todd, very useful information!
 
Schuyler
 
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Todd Sullivan via groups.io
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2021 1:07 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Pickle Car - further question
 
Hey Schuyler,

This isn't about a pickle car per se, but there was a Bloch & Guggenheim pickle works on the PRR Elmira Branch at Seneca Castle, NY.  It was still there in the early 1990s when I was researching that line.  There were a lot of pickle cucumbers grown in that area, also a lot of cabbage used for making sauerkraut.  There were sauerkraut plants along the Elmira Branch, also.  Cabbage was occasionally shipped in stock cars.

Todd Sullivan


Re: A B&M USRA composite gon at a coal mine in West Virginia (undated)

Dave Parker
 

Ken:

Thanks for the heads up on the photo showing original ends and the rectangular herald.  Tim Gilbert maintained that that only cars with rebuilt ends received that herald, but he was looking at a very small photographic sample.  I have long suspected that this combination existed in the decade leading up to the roll-out of the Minuteman herald in 1946.
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: Photos: Hills Brothers Coffee Boxcars

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Bob and Friends,

According to the late Richard Hendrickson, these cars were confined to the State Belt Railroad in San Francisco. They shuttled bags of beans from a dock to Hills Brothers' plant which was somewhat inland in the industrial part of The City. Silver Streak and TM both offered (incorrect) HO versions of these cars, and no doubt the "models" wandered around on many a layout as interchange cars. I managed to scare up an online photo of these cars that shows at least car 162 had steel ends.

Back in the 1960s my parents took my first girlfriend and myself to San Francisco for the day. We were treated to a tour of the Hills Brothers factory shortly before it closed (it was converted to an office building). She and I were both avid Man From Uncle fans, and had a lot of fun speculating about an episode set in the factory with lots of interesting conveyors and such for knocked out THRUSH baddies to be carried up.

On an unrelated point, I was recently looking at old PROTOTYPE MODELER articles on TrainLife, and stumbled across one on Santa Fe freight car detailing written by "Dick Hendrickson". I have no doubt this was one of Richard's early pieces.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Fri, Jul 2, 2021 at 12:01 PM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Photos: Hills Brothers Coffee Boxcars

Photos from the Protocraft Decals website:

https://www.protocraft.com/category.cfm?ItemID=764&Categoryid=20

Caption:

“Hills Bros ­Coffee Company, located on the Embarcadero in San Francisco, owned two wood colorfully decorated boxcars they received in

March of 1930. They were assigned road numbers 161 and 162, and restricted their use to the shipment of bags of ­coffee beans only.”

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: A B&M USRA composite gon at a coal mine in West Virginia (undated)

akerboomk
 

For the gory details:

            https://www.bmrrhs.org/gondola_90000_series/

 

From the “Car book” drawing it confirms the 1933 rebuild date.

Note there is at least one photo with original (6 rib) ends and rectangular herald

 

Thanks for finding this photo!

 

Certainly far afield, [speculating] perhaps a WW II date due to car shortages?

Ken


--
Ken Akerboom


Re: Photo: Pickle Car - further question

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Thanks, Todd, very useful information!

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Todd Sullivan via groups.io
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2021 1:07 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Pickle Car - further question

 

Hey Schuyler,

This isn't about a pickle car per se, but there was a Bloch & Guggenheim pickle works on the PRR Elmira Branch at Seneca Castle, NY.  It was still there in the early 1990s when I was researching that line.  There were a lot of pickle cucumbers grown in that area, also a lot of cabbage used for making sauerkraut.  There were sauerkraut plants along the Elmira Branch, also.  Cabbage was occasionally shipped in stock cars.

Todd Sullivan


Re: A B&M USRA composite gon at a coal mine in West Virginia (undated)

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Maybe.  Might have been a while since it was last on B&M rails, and even then . . .

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don Burn
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2021 2:01 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] A B&M USRA composite gon at a coal mine in West Virginia (undated)

 

Schuyler,

 

     It could be post war but the paint looks reasonable fresh and if it is postwar the herald would be different.

 

Don Burn

     

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2021 1:22 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] A B&M USRA composite gon at a coal mine in West Virginia (undated)

 

Dave, I’m looking at the construction methods and materials of that mind building, and I think it may well be into the late 40s.  Post war, I ‘d say.

 

Eric, thanks for the photoshop work, the picture was near worthless to me otherwise.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2021 12:49 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] A B&M USRA composite gon at a coal mine in West Virginia (undated)

 

I massaged the image in Photoshop by adjusting levels and sharpening a bit. See the attached.

 

It's great to see several gondolas loaded and on the ready track at this coal mine.

 

 

 

Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

 

On 07/02/2021 9:57 AM Dave Parker via groups.io <spottab@...> wrote:

 

 

Claus and group:

The B&M gon is one of 733 (of the original 1500) that was rebuilt with 4-rib dreadnaught ends in 1933 (as per the late Tim Gilbert) and given the rectangular B&M herald.  The car looks to be in fairly good repair, so I would guess mid-30s or so.

Photos of these cars are rare, and this is the first I have seen of one off-line.

Thanks for sharing.
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA

 

 


Re: A B&M USRA composite gon at a coal mine in West Virginia (undated)

Don Burn
 

Schuyler,

 

     It could be post war but the paint looks reasonable fresh and if it is postwar the herald would be different.

 

Don Burn

     

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2021 1:22 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] A B&M USRA composite gon at a coal mine in West Virginia (undated)

 

Dave, I’m looking at the construction methods and materials of that mind building, and I think it may well be into the late 40s.  Post war, I ‘d say.

 

Eric, thanks for the photoshop work, the picture was near worthless to me otherwise.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2021 12:49 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] A B&M USRA composite gon at a coal mine in West Virginia (undated)

 

I massaged the image in Photoshop by adjusting levels and sharpening a bit. See the attached.

 

It's great to see several gondolas loaded and on the ready track at this coal mine.

 

 

 

Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

 

On 07/02/2021 9:57 AM Dave Parker via groups.io <spottab@...> wrote:

 

 

Claus and group:

The B&M gon is one of 733 (of the original 1500) that was rebuilt with 4-rib dreadnaught ends in 1933 (as per the late Tim Gilbert) and given the rectangular B&M herald.  The car looks to be in fairly good repair, so I would guess mid-30s or so.

Photos of these cars are rare, and this is the first I have seen of one off-line.

Thanks for sharing.
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA

 

 


Re: A B&M USRA composite gon at a coal mine in West Virginia (undated)

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Dave, I’m looking at the construction methods and materials of that mind building, and I think it may well be into the late 40s.  Post war, I ‘d say.

 

Eric, thanks for the photoshop work, the picture was near worthless to me otherwise.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2021 12:49 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] A B&M USRA composite gon at a coal mine in West Virginia (undated)

 

I massaged the image in Photoshop by adjusting levels and sharpening a bit. See the attached.

 

It's great to see several gondolas loaded and on the ready track at this coal mine.

 

 

 

Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

 

On 07/02/2021 9:57 AM Dave Parker via groups.io <spottab@...> wrote:

 

 

Claus and group:

The B&M gon is one of 733 (of the original 1500) that was rebuilt with 4-rib dreadnaught ends in 1933 (as per the late Tim Gilbert) and given the rectangular B&M herald.  The car looks to be in fairly good repair, so I would guess mid-30s or so.

Photos of these cars are rare, and this is the first I have seen of one off-line.

Thanks for sharing.
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA

 

 


Re: A B&M USRA composite gon at a coal mine in West Virginia (undated)

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Hey, isn’t that B&M composite very close to the Walthers gon that was getting so much disrespect on this list a week or so ago?  Certainly in the “close enough” category.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2021 12:49 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] A B&M USRA composite gon at a coal mine in West Virginia (undated)

 

I massaged the image in Photoshop by adjusting levels and sharpening a bit. See the attached.

 

It's great to see several gondolas loaded and on the ready track at this coal mine.

 

 

 

Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

 

On 07/02/2021 9:57 AM Dave Parker via groups.io <spottab@...> wrote:

 

 

Claus and group:

The B&M gon is one of 733 (of the original 1500) that was rebuilt with 4-rib dreadnaught ends in 1933 (as per the late Tim Gilbert) and given the rectangular B&M herald.  The car looks to be in fairly good repair, so I would guess mid-30s or so.

Photos of these cars are rare, and this is the first I have seen of one off-line.

Thanks for sharing.
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA

 

 


Car Builder’s Dictionaries

Bob Chaparro
 


Re: Photo: Pickle Car - further question

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Thanks for that little nudge, Eric!

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2021 12:56 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Pickle Car - further question

 

Thanks for sharing these photos, Jim! I've seen the Hyman Pickle car images before but did not realize they were builder photos.

 

There are several images of Heinz pickle tank cars featured in this HJ Heinz photo collection on the Historic Pittsburgh digital site.

 

While there are 3000+ images, you can minimize the number by adjusting the date filter to focus on photos for your era of interest.

 

 

Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

On 06/24/2021 1:37 PM James Babcock via groups.io <babcockjames@...> wrote:

 

 

 

Here is a view more photos. I thought I had a Heinze one but can't find it now.

Jim

 

 

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