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caboose colors

Ray Hutchison
 

I know that the answer for individual railroads will differ, but I am wondering when the "caboose red" started to be used?  Color photographs (there are not many) of older cabeese show a boxcar red or similar color, but at some point rialroads began to paint their cars in colors that carried through to modern period.  My particular interest is Great Northern, contemporary models (including brass) show the early wood boxcars in caboose red... but before this, what color would they have been painted?

Ray Hutchison
Green Bay WI


Re: Photo: Santa Fe Boxcars At Hills Brothers Coffee Factory (1938)

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Brian,

Thanks much. Obviously there is a lot of track missing from the Sanborn map.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Sat, Jul 3, 2021 at 8:23 PM Brian Stokes <bstokesndp@...> wrote:
Here you go, Garth. You can see the spur coming off the State Belt main tracks from the south. 

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Brian Stokes
North Point Street in Proto:48

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Re: NYC reblt gon

nyc3001 .
 

Does anyone know where I could get double-sided Murphy ends for this car? I have a few of the flat kits but want to detail the interiors.

-Phil Lee


Re: Canopy glue -another use

Nelson Moyer
 

To compliment Tony's post, I bought 3/16 and 1/4 in. pan machine screws to mount couplers and trucks on flat cars from FMW Fasteners. I use 3/8 and 1/2 in. machine screws for other cars, with the 1/2 in. screws for cars with removable floors. Drill carefully and don't tap for flat cars unless the deck is separately applied.. A depth stop on the drill press helps.

Nelson Moyer

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Brian Carlson wrote:

Paul. If it was a boxcar yes. Being a flat I didn’t think I could get enough thread engagement. Not much to these cars.
Brian, as an engineer, I’m sure you know that most of the work of a thread is in the first turn or two. Of course there can be a loosening problem with so few turns, but for load-bearing, not really.

Tony Thompson
tony@signaturepress.com


Re: Photo: Santa Fe Boxcars At Hills Brothers Coffee Factory (1938)

Brian Stokes
 

Here you go, Garth. You can see the spur coming off the State Belt main tracks from the south. 

Screen Shot 2021-07-03 at 7.20.51 PM.png

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Brian Stokes
North Point Street in Proto:48


Re: NYC reblt gon

Seth Lakin
 

On Sat, Jul 3, 2021 at 01:34 PM, Clark Propst wrote:
My question is when did the NYC do away with the stripes above and below the initials/numbers? I'd like to do the car for 1950 +- 5 yrs.

The 1” white stripes (or black for gray cars) on top of and below of the reporting marks started about 1933 and went to about 1959. For about a year into 1960, a single line was applied between the NYC and the numbers. Then the line was removed entirely. 

For a 1950 +/-5 model, lines on top and bottom of the stacked reporting marks. 


Seth Lakin
Michigan City, IN
NYCSHS Modelers Committee Chairman


Off line Coal Hoppers from the early 1950's for the Interstate Railroad

George Courtney
 

This topic is off discussed and while a very narrow sampling, might provide some info on coal hoppers off-line.  The Interstate was a coal mine short line in the most western part of Virginia.  If you counted the amount of coal it gave the Southern Railway, it would have been Southern's largest shipper.  My info is from Ed Wolfe's "Memories of an Appalachian Shortline"  A chapter from Hank Stuart, Jr.  who eventually became General Manager.
"The cars of the Interstate were protected by the ICC.  Lines in the southeast were prohibited from appropriating Interstate hopper cars for use at mines or quarries."  "While most of the loaded cars stayed in the South where the order was effective, some went north where there was no car order to protect them from appropriation."  Elsewhere, Stuart mentioned the B&O was the worse with one Interstate car staying on the B&O for almost a year.
In 1947, off line Mean times for the 10 largest foreign roads were ACL -13 days.  C&O -13. Pere Marquette-17. Clinchfield-5.  ET&WNC-5.  Lancaster & Chester-10.  N&W-7.  Piedmont & Northern-7.  SAL-11.  Southern-8 and Virginian 12 days.  This table included at least one Interstate coal hopper going to Canada.  The Wolfe books also show a Lehigh Valley twin coal hopper on the Interstate in the early 1960's. Hopefully entertaining.

George Courtney


Re: Car Builder’s Dictionaries

Rupert Gamlen
 

The link to Hathi Trust that Ken Martin sent http://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000552394 includes the 1925 CBC at https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015006056561

Rupert Gamlen
Auckland NZ

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, 4 July 2021 4:04 am
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Car Builder’s Dictionaries

 

Two more, courtesy of Ken Martin:

1912

https://archive.org/details/cu31924032183208

1916

https://archive.org/details/cu31924032183216

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Car Builder’s Dictionaries

Tony Thompson
 

Ed Mims wrote:

I'm still looking for "stirrup step" in one. There seems to be no such thing used on full size railroad equipment--only used on scale models of freight cars.
In the prototype world, they are called “sill steps.” Always have been

Tony Thompson
tony@signaturepress.com


Re: Car Builder’s Dictionaries

Ed Mims
 

The old Car Builders Dictionaries are terrific. Thanks for posting.

I'm still looking for "stirrup step" in one. There seems to be no such thing used on full size railroad equipment--only used on scale models of freight cars.

Ed Mims


Re: Mystery boxcar

mel perry
 

hi garth:
i'm going to go out on a limb, (the saw is
already working), and due to the distorted pixelization, goingbto say this
is an earlier car, the left side, i believe
reads hill brothers r.r.  can't make out the
rest of the letters/numbers, makes you
stop and think, thatvas long as that photo has been around, no one thought
of blowing it up, makes you wish that
someone had a bigger screen and better
ocr software, oh well, at least you.opened pandora's box
EXCELLENT CATCH
;-)

On Sat, Jul 3, 2021, 5:50 AM Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...> wrote:
Friends,

I did a blow up of the cars in front of the Hills Brothers Coffee plant in San Francisco from one of the photos we discussed. Can anyone identify the wooden boxcar in this clip? With all wooden ends, it is definitely NOT HBCX 161 or 162. It might be an earlier boxcar they owned, or it could be an interchange car from another railroad.

Interestingly, I don't see HBCX on Ian Cranstone's list of reporting marks, though he does list HBKX for Hills Brothers from 7/1932-7 1937. An error maybe, or another mystery? Can anyone check ORERS for this? I only have 1958, and Hills Brothers are not listed there.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

 


Re: NYC reblt gon

ROGER HINMAN
 

Still scratching my head a bit on this one;  349000-349999 were built in three lots 379-G; 389-G and 403-G.  I have-not been able to located anything on the 658000-611999 series;   there were a group of the USRA gons rebuilt in 1937 to steel cars including two of the build lots above, they were assigned NYC Lot 660-G and there are photos of these on the NYCHS Archives




Looking at some later builders’ photos on the same site, it looks like they were still using stripes in the early fifties

Roger Hinman

On Jul 3, 2021, at 2:34 PM, Clark Propst via groups.io <cepropst@...> wrote:

I've assembled painted a CHS NYC gon rebuilt from a USRA car, or so the instructions say. It also states these cars were numbered 349000-349999 in two batches. Then it says these cars were renumbered in 1937 to 658000-658499, 659500-659749,661750-661999. There are no photos of one of these cars. The decals have both the initials and numbers between lines and without lines. 

My question is when did the NYC do away with the stripes above and below the initials/numbers? I'd like to do the car for 1950 +- 5 yrs.

Replies are much appreciated,
Clark Propst

Happy Pickett's Charge day


Re: Canopy glue -another use

Paul Doggett
 

Brian

I hope the canopy glue holds I am sure it will be ok.
Cheers
Paul

On 3 Jul 2021, at 20:56, Tony Thompson <tony@signaturepress.com> wrote:



Brian Carlson wrote:

Paul. If it was a boxcar yes. Being a flat I didn’t think I could get enough thread engagement. Not much to these cars.
Brian, as an engineer, I’m sure you know that most of the work of a thread is in the first turn or two. Of course there can be a loosening problem with so few turns, but for load-bearing, not really.

Tony Thompson
tony@signaturepress.com






Re: Canopy glue -another use

Tony Thompson
 

Brian Carlson wrote:

Paul. If it was a boxcar yes. Being a flat I didn’t think I could get enough thread engagement. Not much to these cars.
Brian, as an engineer, I’m sure you know that most of the work of a thread is in the first turn or two. Of course there can be a loosening problem with so few turns, but for load-bearing, not really.

Tony Thompson
tony@signaturepress.com


Re: Photo: Santa Fe Boxcars At Hills Brothers Coffee Factory (1938)

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Bob and Friends,

Interesting that both Santa Fe cars are 50' auto cars. I have attached a 1949+ Sanborn map which sadly does not show the trackage. My best guess is that this was the State Belt Railroad (later San Francisco Belt Railroad) and it approached from the left (real direction south). As you can see from the photo, the Oakland Bay Bridge is somewhat beyond the Marine Corps building to the left. A current view of the buildings is enclosed. The track in the street is the Muni heritage streetcar line.

Yours Aye,

Garth Groff  🦆

On Sat, Jul 3, 2021 at 12:53 PM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Photo: Santa Fe Boxcars At Hills Brothers Coffee Factory (1938)

Photo from the OpenSFHistory website.

https://opensfhistory.org/Display/wnp14.2714.jpg

Caption:

“View west across Embarcadero to bridge, Hills Brothers Coffee Plant with freight cars alongside.”

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


NYC reblt gon

Clark Propst
 

I've assembled painted a CHS NYC gon rebuilt from a USRA car, or so the instructions say. It also states these cars were numbered 349000-349999 in two batches. Then it says these cars were renumbered in 1937 to 658000-658499, 659500-659749,661750-661999. There are no photos of one of these cars. The decals have both the initials and numbers between lines and without lines. 

My question is when did the NYC do away with the stripes above and below the initials/numbers? I'd like to do the car for 1950 +- 5 yrs.

Replies are much appreciated,
Clark Propst

Happy Pickett's Charge day


Photo: Santa Fe Boxcars At Hills Brothers Coffee Factory (1938)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Santa Fe Boxcars At Hills Brothers Coffee Factory (1938)

Photo from the OpenSFHistory website.

https://opensfhistory.org/Display/wnp14.2714.jpg

Caption:

“View west across Embarcadero to bridge, Hills Brothers Coffee Plant with freight cars alongside.”

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: A B&M USRA composite gon at a coal mine in West Virginia (undated)

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Thanks, Ben, I missed the transition in the thread.  Chuck’s model was very good and I appreciated his inclusion of the prototype photo.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Benjamin Hom
Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2021 9:11 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] A B&M USRA composite gon at a coal mine in West Virginia (undated)

 

Schuyler Larrbee asked:

"Hey, isn’t that B&M composite very close to the Walthers gon that was getting so much disrespect on this list a week or so ago?  Certainly in the “close enough” category."

 

No.  There was a minor threadjack during that conversation - the Monon model Chuck Cover posted was NOT based on the Walthers steel car in question, but on a Walthers flat injection-molded composite gon based on the USRA 40 ft gon.  If you use that kit with Dreadnaught ends, you'd get a model that's close to this prototype.

 

However, the Walthers/Varney/AHM/Rivarossi/Cox/Bachamnn steel gon is nowhere close to the car in question.

 

 

Ben Hom  


Re: Car Builder’s Dictionaries

Bob Chaparro
 

Two more, courtesy of Ken Martin:

1912

https://archive.org/details/cu31924032183208

1916

https://archive.org/details/cu31924032183216

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Ajax brake parts

Schuyler Larrabee
 

They look very familiar, but . . . well I just HAVE to get all this stuff organized. Never completely recovered from the double move.

Schuyler

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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nelson Moyer
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2021 10:16 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Ajax brake parts

So where did Martin get them? He didn't do them himself.

Nelson Moyer

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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of gary laakso
Sent: Friday, July 2, 2021 9:14 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Ajax brake parts

These sets were supplied with Sunshine kits.

Gary Laakso
Northwest of Mike Brock

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nelson Moyer
Sent: Friday, July 2, 2021 7:08 PM
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Not sure, but could be Eastern Car Works.

Nelson Moyer

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Subject: [RealSTMFC] Ajax brake parts

Need some help identifying the sprue I found on my workbench. It’s an Ajax brake wheel and related parts. Does anyone recognize the manufacturer?

Brian J. Carlson

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