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Depressed Center Flat Car

Richard Stern
 

A neighbor gifted me this interesting depressed center flat car.  It has no markings.  Can anyone identify it and maybe provide a prototype photo?  I'm guessing it is too modern for my 1950's layout, but I'm hoping otherwise 


Re: Need help dating this photo

Ian Cranstone
 

On Jul 8, 2021, at 8:07 AM, Jeff Coleman <traininsp@gmail.com> wrote:

I need help dating this photo of these OCRX tank cars at Conneaut, Ohio.
It would appear that the OCRX reporting mark (Oil Creek Refining Co.) disappeared from the ORERs between the July 1935 and July 1937 issue, suggesting that the photo cannot have been taken after the mid-1930s.

Ian Cranstone
Osgoode, Ontario, Canada
lamontc@nakina.net
http://freightcars.nakina.net


Re: This gondola appears to be a PRR class GS (or subclass) dated 1923

Eric Hansmann
 

Great data! Thank you for sharing and clearing up the mystery, Charlie! I had thought it was a bit late for WP&Y locos but couldn't figure out where else they would be shipping.


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN



On 07/07/2021 6:04 PM Charlie Vlk <cvlk@...> wrote:


Eric and List-

Here you go…Chilean State Railways meter gauge built in April of 1923:


56379

1923

4

2-8-2

19

24

48

Chilean State Railways

3511

meter ga.,




56381

1923

4

2-8-2

19

24

48

Chilean State Railways

3512

meter ga.


56382

1923

4

2-8-2

19

24

48

Chilean State Railways

3513

meter ga.


56383

1923

4

2-8-2

19

24

48

Chilean State Railways

3514

meter ga.


56384

1923

4

2-8-2

19

24

48

Chilean State Railways

3515

meter ga.


56385

1923

4

2-8-2

19

24

48

Chilean State Railways

3516

meter ga.


56386

1923

4

2-8-2

19

24

48

Chilean State Railways

3517

meter ga.


56425

1923

4

2-8-2

19

24

48

Chilean State Railways

3518

meter ga.


56426

1923

4

2-8-2

19

24

48

Chilean State Railways

3519

meter ga.


56427

1923

4

2-8-2

19

24

48

Chilean State Railways

3520

meter ga.


56428

1923

4

2-8-2

19

24

48

Chilean State Railways

3521

meter ga.


56429

1923

4

2-8-2

19

24

48

Chilean State Railways

3522

meter ga.


56430

1923

4

2-8-2

19

24

48

Chilean State Railways

3523

meter ga.


56431

1923

4

2-8-2

19

24

48

Chilean State Railways

3524

meter ga.



56454

1923

4

2-8-2

19

24

48

Chilean State Railways

3525

meter ga.





56455

1923

4

2-8-2

19

24

48

Chilean State Railways

3526

meter ga.





56456

1923

4

2-8-2

19

24

48

Chilean State Railways

3527

meter ga.





56457

1923

4

2-8-2

19

24

48

Chilean State Railways

3528

meter ga.





56458

1923

4

2-8-2

19

24

48

Chilean State Railways

3529

meter ga.





56459

1923

4

2-8-2

19

24

48

Chilean State Railways

3530

meter ga.





56460

1923

4

2-8-2

19

24

48

Chilean State Railways

3531

meter ga.





56461

1923

4

2-8-2

19

24

48

Chilean State Railways

3532

meter ga.





56462

1923

4

2-8-2

19

24

48

Chilean State Railways

3533

meter ga.





56463

1923

4

2-8-2

19

24

48

Chilean State Railways

3534

meter ga.





56464

1923

4

2-8-2

19

24

48

Chilean State Railways

3535

meter ga.







































Charlie Vlk


Re: Need help dating this photo

Douglas Harding
 

The OCRX reporting marks were in used between 1923 and 1935 according to http://www.nakina.net/other/report/reporto.html

Based on the tank truck partially visible I would suggest the late 20s.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jeff Coleman
Sent: Thursday, July 8, 2021 7:07 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Need help dating this photo

 

I need help dating this photo of these OCRX tank cars at Conneaut, Ohio. 

 

Thanks in advance

Jeff Coleman 


Re: Wabash 47103 40ft auto box Philadelphia PA 1951

Benjamin Hom
 

Richard Townsend wrote:
"That reminds me: we need a source for 3/3/3 ends."

Finally, to go with the other two answers by Garth Groff and Al Brown, one of the variants of the MDC 50 ft SS auto boxcar has the 3/3/3 Dreadnaught end.


Ben Hom 


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] PRR 343379 steel gon in 1954 Philadelphia PA end view

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Group;

 

I don’t have my refs handy, but it looks like a PRR G28.  The giveaways for me are the combo of features on side and end, including the gusseted end sill top.

 

Nice find, Claus!

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Wednesday, July 7, 2021 3:51 PM
To: STMFC <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] PRR 343379 steel gon in 1954 Philadelphia PA end view

 

Hi List Members,

 

PRR 343379 steel gon in 1954 Philadelphia PA end view

 

 

Metadata below

 

 

Enjoy!

 

Claus Schlund

 

 

 


OCRX Tank Car

Jeff Coleman
 

I don’t think my attachment went through


Need help dating this photo

Jeff Coleman
 

I need help dating this photo of these OCRX tank cars at Conneaut, Ohio. 

Thanks in advance
Jeff Coleman 


Re: This gondola appears to be a PRR class GS (or subclass) dated 1923

Charles Greene
 

Whoops! Just noticed Charlie Vlk's list. Headed for Chile!

        -Chuck Greene

On Thu, Jul 8, 2021 at 12:00 AM Charles Greene <greenec1144@...> wrote:
Wonder if the ship was owned by the Japanese "K-Line" firm, est. ~1920. Think I see a straw "boater" and a couple of "newsboy" hats, which were popular about that time. Ship appears to be ocean-going type, so maybe loading those 2-8-2s for export and heading down-river from Eddystone to the ocean?

     -Chuck Greene

On Wed, Jul 7, 2021 at 7:04 PM Charlie Vlk <cvlk@...> wrote:

Eric and List-

Here you go…Chilean State Railways meter gauge built in April of 1923:

 

56379

1923

4

2-8-2

19

24

48

Chilean State Railways

3511

meter ga.,

56381

1923

4

2-8-2

19

24

48

Chilean State Railways

3512

meter ga.

 

56382

1923

4

2-8-2

19

24

48

Chilean State Railways

3513

meter ga.

 

56383

1923

4

2-8-2

19

24

48

Chilean State Railways

3514

meter ga.

 

56384

1923

4

2-8-2

19

24

48

Chilean State Railways

3515

meter ga.

 

56385

1923

4

2-8-2

19

24

48

Chilean State Railways

3516

meter ga.

 

56386

1923

4

2-8-2

19

24

48

Chilean State Railways

3517

meter ga.

 

56425

1923

4

2-8-2

19

24

48

Chilean State Railways

3518

meter ga.

 

56426

1923

4

2-8-2

19

24

48

Chilean State Railways

3519

meter ga.

 

56427

1923

4

2-8-2

19

24

48

Chilean State Railways

3520

meter ga.

 

56428

1923

4

2-8-2

19

24

48

Chilean State Railways

3521

meter ga.

 

56429

1923

4

2-8-2

19

24

48

Chilean State Railways

3522

meter ga.

 

56430

1923

4

2-8-2

19

24

48

Chilean State Railways

3523

meter ga.

 

56431

1923

4

2-8-2

19

24

48

Chilean State Railways

3524

meter ga.

 

 

56454

1923

4

2-8-2

19

24

48

Chilean State Railways

3525

meter ga.

 

56455

1923

4

2-8-2

19

24

48

Chilean State Railways

3526

meter ga.

 

56456

1923

4

2-8-2

19

24

48

Chilean State Railways

3527

meter ga.

 

56457

1923

4

2-8-2

19

24

48

Chilean State Railways

3528

meter ga.

 

56458

1923

4

2-8-2

19

24

48

Chilean State Railways

3529

meter ga.

 

56459

1923

4

2-8-2

19

24

48

Chilean State Railways

3530

meter ga.

 

56460

1923

4

2-8-2

19

24

48

Chilean State Railways

3531

meter ga.

 

56461

1923

4

2-8-2

19

24

48

Chilean State Railways

3532

meter ga.

 

56462

1923

4

2-8-2

19

24

48

Chilean State Railways

3533

meter ga.

 

56463

1923

4

2-8-2

19

24

48

Chilean State Railways

3534

meter ga.

 

56464

1923

4

2-8-2

19

24

48

Chilean State Railways

3535

meter ga.

 

Charlie Vlk

 

I wonder where the locos are headed. They look similar to WP&Y Mikes.

 


Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 


Re: This gondola appears to be a PRR class GS (or subclass) dated 1923

Charles Greene
 

Wonder if the ship was owned by the Japanese "K-Line" firm, est. ~1920. Think I see a straw "boater" and a couple of "newsboy" hats, which were popular about that time. Ship appears to be ocean-going type, so maybe loading those 2-8-2s for export and heading down-river from Eddystone to the ocean?

     -Chuck Greene

On Wed, Jul 7, 2021 at 7:04 PM Charlie Vlk <cvlk@...> wrote:

Eric and List-

Here you go…Chilean State Railways meter gauge built in April of 1923:

 

56379

1923

4

2-8-2

19

24

48

Chilean State Railways

3511

meter ga.,

56381

1923

4

2-8-2

19

24

48

Chilean State Railways

3512

meter ga.

 

56382

1923

4

2-8-2

19

24

48

Chilean State Railways

3513

meter ga.

 

56383

1923

4

2-8-2

19

24

48

Chilean State Railways

3514

meter ga.

 

56384

1923

4

2-8-2

19

24

48

Chilean State Railways

3515

meter ga.

 

56385

1923

4

2-8-2

19

24

48

Chilean State Railways

3516

meter ga.

 

56386

1923

4

2-8-2

19

24

48

Chilean State Railways

3517

meter ga.

 

56425

1923

4

2-8-2

19

24

48

Chilean State Railways

3518

meter ga.

 

56426

1923

4

2-8-2

19

24

48

Chilean State Railways

3519

meter ga.

 

56427

1923

4

2-8-2

19

24

48

Chilean State Railways

3520

meter ga.

 

56428

1923

4

2-8-2

19

24

48

Chilean State Railways

3521

meter ga.

 

56429

1923

4

2-8-2

19

24

48

Chilean State Railways

3522

meter ga.

 

56430

1923

4

2-8-2

19

24

48

Chilean State Railways

3523

meter ga.

 

56431

1923

4

2-8-2

19

24

48

Chilean State Railways

3524

meter ga.

 

 

56454

1923

4

2-8-2

19

24

48

Chilean State Railways

3525

meter ga.

 

56455

1923

4

2-8-2

19

24

48

Chilean State Railways

3526

meter ga.

 

56456

1923

4

2-8-2

19

24

48

Chilean State Railways

3527

meter ga.

 

56457

1923

4

2-8-2

19

24

48

Chilean State Railways

3528

meter ga.

 

56458

1923

4

2-8-2

19

24

48

Chilean State Railways

3529

meter ga.

 

56459

1923

4

2-8-2

19

24

48

Chilean State Railways

3530

meter ga.

 

56460

1923

4

2-8-2

19

24

48

Chilean State Railways

3531

meter ga.

 

56461

1923

4

2-8-2

19

24

48

Chilean State Railways

3532

meter ga.

 

56462

1923

4

2-8-2

19

24

48

Chilean State Railways

3533

meter ga.

 

56463

1923

4

2-8-2

19

24

48

Chilean State Railways

3534

meter ga.

 

56464

1923

4

2-8-2

19

24

48

Chilean State Railways

3535

meter ga.

 

Charlie Vlk

 

I wonder where the locos are headed. They look similar to WP&Y Mikes.

 


Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 


Re: Interesting NKP double door boxcar

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Thanks, Tom, not even close to what I thought, but I think you’re probably correct.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Madden via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2021 7:05 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Interesting NKP double door boxcar

 

On Wed, Jul 7, 2021 at 11:32 AM, Schuyler Larrabee wrote:

Tom, can you read that number?

Schuyler

 

As near as I can make out it's 19123. That's from the image as it appears at maximum enlargement on Facebook, which is of slightly better quality than the one I was able to copy and paste.


Tom Madden

 


Re: UTLX 22747 tank in 1973

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Yes.  Says built in 1927, an 8000 gallon X-3 tank car.

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Wednesday, July 7, 2021 2:14 PM
To: STMFC <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] UTLX 22747 tank in 1973

 

Hi List Members,

 

Photo taken after the time horizon of this list, but the car was around...

 

UTLX 22747 tank in 1973

 

 

Metadata at link below...

 

 

Enjoy!

 

Claus Schlund

 


Re: Interesting NKP double door boxcar

Brian Carlson
 

On Wednesday, July 7, 2021, 07:33:49 PM EDT, Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:


I wish Bob had posted the negative number. It’s cropped from the bottom of the image you shared. We could find the full size file on the E-L Steamtown photo site with the negative number.


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On Jul 7, 2021, at 6:04 PM, Tom Madden via groups.io <pullmanboss@...> wrote:

On Wed, Jul 7, 2021 at 11:32 AM, Schuyler Larrabee wrote:

Tom, can you read that number?

Schuyler

 

As near as I can make out it's 19123. That's from the image as it appears at maximum enlargement on Facebook, which is of slightly better quality than the one I was able to copy and paste.


Tom Madden

 


Re: This gondola appears to be a PRR class GS (or subclass) dated 1923

Charlie Vlk
 

Eric and List-

Here you go…Chilean State Railways meter gauge built in April of 1923:

 

56379

1923

4

2-8-2

19

24

48

Chilean State Railways

3511

meter ga.,

56381

1923

4

2-8-2

19

24

48

Chilean State Railways

3512

meter ga.

 

56382

1923

4

2-8-2

19

24

48

Chilean State Railways

3513

meter ga.

 

56383

1923

4

2-8-2

19

24

48

Chilean State Railways

3514

meter ga.

 

56384

1923

4

2-8-2

19

24

48

Chilean State Railways

3515

meter ga.

 

56385

1923

4

2-8-2

19

24

48

Chilean State Railways

3516

meter ga.

 

56386

1923

4

2-8-2

19

24

48

Chilean State Railways

3517

meter ga.

 

56425

1923

4

2-8-2

19

24

48

Chilean State Railways

3518

meter ga.

 

56426

1923

4

2-8-2

19

24

48

Chilean State Railways

3519

meter ga.

 

56427

1923

4

2-8-2

19

24

48

Chilean State Railways

3520

meter ga.

 

56428

1923

4

2-8-2

19

24

48

Chilean State Railways

3521

meter ga.

 

56429

1923

4

2-8-2

19

24

48

Chilean State Railways

3522

meter ga.

 

56430

1923

4

2-8-2

19

24

48

Chilean State Railways

3523

meter ga.

 

56431

1923

4

2-8-2

19

24

48

Chilean State Railways

3524

meter ga.

 

 

56454

1923

4

2-8-2

19

24

48

Chilean State Railways

3525

meter ga.

 

56455

1923

4

2-8-2

19

24

48

Chilean State Railways

3526

meter ga.

 

56456

1923

4

2-8-2

19

24

48

Chilean State Railways

3527

meter ga.

 

56457

1923

4

2-8-2

19

24

48

Chilean State Railways

3528

meter ga.

 

56458

1923

4

2-8-2

19

24

48

Chilean State Railways

3529

meter ga.

 

56459

1923

4

2-8-2

19

24

48

Chilean State Railways

3530

meter ga.

 

56460

1923

4

2-8-2

19

24

48

Chilean State Railways

3531

meter ga.

 

56461

1923

4

2-8-2

19

24

48

Chilean State Railways

3532

meter ga.

 

56462

1923

4

2-8-2

19

24

48

Chilean State Railways

3533

meter ga.

 

56463

1923

4

2-8-2

19

24

48

Chilean State Railways

3534

meter ga.

 

56464

1923

4

2-8-2

19

24

48

Chilean State Railways

3535

meter ga.

 

Charlie Vlk

 

I wonder where the locos are headed. They look similar to WP&Y Mikes.

 


Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 


Re: Interesting NKP double door boxcar

Eric Hansmann
 

I wish Bob had posted the negative number. It’s cropped from the bottom of the image you shared. We could find the full size file on the E-L Steamtown photo site with the negative number.


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On Jul 7, 2021, at 6:04 PM, Tom Madden via groups.io <pullmanboss@...> wrote:

On Wed, Jul 7, 2021 at 11:32 AM, Schuyler Larrabee wrote:

Tom, can you read that number?

Schuyler

 

As near as I can make out it's 19123. That's from the image as it appears at maximum enlargement on Facebook, which is of slightly better quality than the one I was able to copy and paste.


Tom Madden

 


Re: Interesting NKP double door boxcar

Tom Madden
 

On Wed, Jul 7, 2021 at 11:32 AM, Schuyler Larrabee wrote:

Tom, can you read that number?

Schuyler

 

As near as I can make out it's 19123. That's from the image as it appears at maximum enlargement on Facebook, which is of slightly better quality than the one I was able to copy and paste.


Tom Madden

 


Re: Wabash 47103 40ft auto box Philadelphia PA 1951

al_brown03
 

The Walthers 50' SS DD box has 3/3/3 ends: comes with two, and an end door.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Re: SHPX 161 two compartment tank in 1950 (possibly built 7-7-30)

Ed Hawkins
 



On Jul 7, 2021, at 3:12 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

Evidently discussed a while ago - my notes say ex-CLX #2270 Crew-Levick ==> CitiesService


On 7/7/2021 4:03 PM, Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) wrote:
Hi List Members,
 
SHPX 161 two compartment tank in 1950 (possibly built 7-7-30)
 
 
Metadata below
 

Tim,
ACF lot 1152 was a quantity of 10 "Type 28 Modified,” ICC-103, 10,000-gallon capacity, 2-compartment, CLX 2270-2279, built 7-30. The underframe lacked having the customary rolled-channel 7” side sills from the bolsters to end sills & 9” end sills of the Type 27 design. It’s noted that the wreck tore off the entire underframe end structure at both ends, which I can only wonder if the Type 27 underframe might have withstood this damage.

The 1955 tank car tariff denoted SHPX 158-160, 162, and 164-166 (7 cars) as having a nominal tank capacity of 10,000 gallons and each dome 124 gallons. With just 161 & 163 lacking from a continuous series 158-166, it’s apparent that SHPX received 9 of the original 10 cars. 

In case it’s of interest, attached is the sample ACF builder of CLX 2270. In the 1936 tank car tariff book, all 10 cars were listed.

To put these cars into perspective, these 10 cars were the only 10,000-gallon, 2-compartment, either ARA III or ICC-103 tank cars that ACF ever built. What might be called exceptions to this rule were two TIDX special-design tank cars built in 1-23 (lot 9427) lacking any classification as the car was used for fire foam service. 


Regards,
Ed Hawkins




Re: Wabash 47103 40ft auto box Philadelphia PA 1951

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Richard,

Not the best source, but Tyco 50' plug door boxcars have a 3/3/3 end. These are easy to find at train shows because there were tens of thousands of them. Get two, and use only the A ends to minimize carving away cast details.

Yours Aye,

Garth Groff  🦆

On Wed, Jul 7, 2021 at 10:15 AM Richard Townsend via groups.io <richtownsend=netscape.net@groups.io> wrote:
That reminds me: we need a source for 3/3/3 ends. If I knew how I’d design one myself for 3D printing.


On Jul 7, 2021, at 7:03 AM, Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) <claus@...> wrote:


Hi List Members,
 
Wabash 47103 40ft auto box Philadelphia PA 1951
 
 
Metadata can be found at the link below
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


Re: This gondola appears to be a PRR class GS (or subclass) dated 1923

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi Ken and List Members,
 
Good eyes, I totally missed that! P&R 26220 is a somewhat unique gon! Part of series 26001-27499, it is a super-short 34ft IL 100000lb gondola. A total of 1491 cars in 12-1930
 
Photos of this car series are very rare - you would think since there were 1500 of these built that they would show up in photos sometimes, but the reality is they are rarely seen. And nearly all (1491 cars) were still around at the end of 1930. I'm gonna guess that by the early 1930s there may not have been much use for these short gons, and the depression might have sent them to the scrapyard pretty quickly
 
Railroading would have to wait a number of years before short gons came back into style, serving as carriers of steel coil
 
Claus Schlund
 

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From: akerboomk
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2021 4:34 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] This gondola appears to be a PRR class GS (or subclass) dated 1923

Note also P&R 26220(?) over on the left


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