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Re: C&O 2836 36ft ds boxcar in 1930 at Westmoreland Coal

Eric Hansmann
 

I would think the tracks are there for unloading machinery. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On Jul 8, 2021, at 4:11 PM, Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) <claus@...> wrote:

Hi List Members,
 
C&O 2836 36ft ds boxcar in 1930 at Westmoreland Coal. Note both doors are open, and railroad tracks lead right up to the open doorway, probably to dump mine cars into the interior of the car
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 
 
 


Re: INTERSTATE had some twin hoppers that were extended height PRR GLa clones

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
Two additional images showing INT hoppers in 1930...
 
In this first image, the only reporting mark clearly discernable is INT 2736, a PRR (standard-height) GLa clone. But notice the stairstep effect visible everywhere, with some cars taller and some shorter. This reflects the mix of standard-height and extended-height GLa clone cars the INTERSTATE owned
 
 
In the second image we have a trio of extended-height cars
 
 
 
Claus Schlund
 

----- Original Message -----
To: STMFC
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2021 5:44 PM
Subject: [RealSTMFC] INTERSTATE had some twin hoppers that were extended height PRR GLa clones

Hi List Members,
 
INTERSTATE had some twin hoppers that were PRR GLa clones, and also some twin hoppers that were extended height PRR GLa clones
 
We see extended height PRR GLa clones below at Westmoreland Coal Co...
 
INT 5367 in 1931
 
 
 
INT 5517 and INT 6085 in 1932
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 
 


coke ovens at Stonega Coke and Coal Company in 1931

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
We get a view of boxcar SOU 168793 in this view of the coke ovens at Stonega Coke and Coal Company in 1931
 
Also, a N&W boxcar and at least one other boxcar are involved.
 
There is a lot to see in this image - the (double-sided) bank of coke ovens, coke on the ground awaiting loading, a mule working the with a cart, a long-handled tool above that cart leaning against the oven wall, ladders to climb to the top of the oven, the catenary to power the electric larry cars running atop the ovens, I could just keep ongoing!
 
Note how the boxcar doors on the side facing us are all open, and the openings boarded up with coarse boards
 
 
An awesome scene!
 
Claus Schlund
 
 
 


INTERSTATE had some twin hoppers that were extended height PRR GLa clones

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
INTERSTATE had some twin hoppers that were PRR GLa clones, and also some twin hoppers that were extended height PRR GLa clones
 
We see extended height PRR GLa clones below at Westmoreland Coal Co...
 
INT 5367 in 1931
 
 
 
INT 5517 and INT 6085 in 1932
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 
 


Re: C&O 2836 36ft ds boxcar in 1930 at Westmoreland Coal

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

A second image of this same scene, this time with a set of bosses...
 
 
Claus Schlund
 

----- Original Message -----
To: STMFC
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2021 5:11 PM
Subject: [RealSTMFC] C&O 2836 36ft ds boxcar in 1930 at Westmoreland Coal

Hi List Members,
 
C&O 2836 36ft ds boxcar in 1930 at Westmoreland Coal. Note both doors are open, and railroad tracks lead right up to the open doorway, probably to dump mine cars into the interior of the car
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 
 
 


C&O 2836 36ft ds boxcar in 1930 at Westmoreland Coal

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
C&O 2836 36ft ds boxcar in 1930 at Westmoreland Coal. Note both doors are open, and railroad tracks lead right up to the open doorway, probably to dump mine cars into the interior of the car
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 
 
 


Re: Post Card: East Tennessee Packing Company (Selecto)

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi Eric and List Members,
 
Apparently these are different cars than the ones they list in the Dec 1930 ORER - different road numbers, different capacity, slightly different length...
 
Claus Schlund
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2021 3:30 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Post Card: East Tennessee Packing Company (Selecto)

They are listed in the October 1926 ORER with seven cars.

 

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Douglas Harding
Sent: Thursday, July 8, 2021 11:04 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Post Card: East Tennessee Packing Company (Selecto)

 

ETPX

East Tennessee Packing Co.

7/1930-7/1932

ETPX

East Tennessee Packing Co.
(Merchants Despatch, Inc.)

7/1935

From http://www.nakina.net/other/report/reporte.html

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill Parks via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, July 8, 2021 10:50 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Post Card: East Tennessee Packing Company (Selecto)

 

The pictures of models that I can see online show ETPX as the reporting marks (with some models having none).  The Jan 1953 ORER does not list these reporting marks.  Does anyone know for sure if they are correct, and if so, when did they stop using them?
--
Bill Parks
Cumming, GA
Modelling the Seaboard Airline in Central Florida


Re: Post Card: East Tennessee Packing Company (Selecto)

ROGER HINMAN
 

https://nycshs.omeka.net/items/browse?tags=ETPX+%23314

more pictures; these were MDT 36’ std rig cars

Roger Hinman

On Jul 7, 2021, at 2:09 PM, al whitecar <awhitecar@...> wrote:

Bob 
Here is an image of Selecto  refrigulator car
Al Whitecar
A 58000 36’ truss rod Microtrains car will work
 
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2021 10:56 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Post Card: East Tennessee Packing Company (Selecto)
 
Post Card: East Tennessee Packing Company (Selecto)
From the Knoxville History Project website:
Caption:
“Knoxville was once notable for pork, and in the season of Christmas hams, this week we’re sharing this ca. 1930 image of this once well-known South Knoxville plant. East Tennessee Packing Co. was best known for its store brand, Selecto. It was on the south side of the river, just west of Suttree Landing. Shared by Sam Furrow.”
I’ve seen several models of Selecto refrigerator cars but no prototypes. The models have green sides but the reefers in the postcard have yellow sides.
Does anyone have a prototype photo?
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA
 

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Re: Depressed Center Flat Car

Benjamin Hom
 

Richard Stern wrote:
"A neighbor gifted me this interesting depressed center flat car.  It has no markings.  Can anyone identify it and maybe provide a prototype photo?  I'm guessing it is too modern for my 1950's layout, but I'm hoping otherwise."

Brian Carlson replied:
"Looks like the Walthers modern car.

Concur with Brian's assessment.  Most of my magazines are in storage so I can't verify this right away, but Mike Rose's "Modifying Walthers Depressed Center Flat Car" in the October 2007 issue of Railroad Model Craftsman might have more information.


Ben Hom


Re: SHPX 161 two compartment tank in 1950 (possibly built 7-7-30)

Tim O'Connor
 


Thanks Ed! Here's another CLX car, obviously smaller, but it shows a variation of the early
Cities Service lettering.

Tim O'Connor


On 7/7/2021 6:23 PM, Ed Hawkins wrote:

On Jul 7, 2021, at 3:12 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

Evidently discussed a while ago - my notes say ex-CLX #2270 Crew-Levick ==> CitiesService


On 7/7/2021 4:03 PM, Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) wrote:
Hi List Members,
 
SHPX 161 two compartment tank in 1950 (possibly built 7-7-30)
 
 
Metadata below
 

Tim,
ACF lot 1152 was a quantity of 10 "Type 28 Modified,” ICC-103, 10,000-gallon capacity, 2-compartment, CLX 2270-2279, built 7-30. The underframe lacked having the customary rolled-channel 7” side sills from the bolsters to end sills & 9” end sills of the Type 27 design. It’s noted that the wreck tore off the entire underframe end structure at both ends, which I can only wonder if the Type 27 underframe might have withstood this damage.

The 1955 tank car tariff denoted SHPX 158-160, 162, and 164-166 (7 cars) as having a nominal tank capacity of 10,000 gallons and each dome 124 gallons. With just 161 & 163 lacking from a continuous series 158-166, it’s apparent that SHPX received 9 of the original 10 cars. 

In case it’s of interest, attached is the sample ACF builder of CLX 2270. In the 1936 tank car tariff book, all 10 cars were listed.

To put these cars into perspective, these 10 cars were the only 10,000-gallon, 2-compartment, either ARA III or ICC-103 tank cars that ACF ever built. What might be called exceptions to this rule were two TIDX special-design tank cars built in 1-23 (lot 9427) lacking any classification as the car was used for fire foam service. 


Regards,
Ed Hawkins



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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Post Card: East Tennessee Packing Company (Selecto)

Eric Hansmann
 

They are listed in the October 1926 ORER with seven cars.

 

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Douglas Harding
Sent: Thursday, July 8, 2021 11:04 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Post Card: East Tennessee Packing Company (Selecto)

 

ETPX

East Tennessee Packing Co.

7/1930-7/1932

ETPX

East Tennessee Packing Co.
(Merchants Despatch, Inc.)

7/1935

From http://www.nakina.net/other/report/reporte.html

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill Parks via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, July 8, 2021 10:50 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Post Card: East Tennessee Packing Company (Selecto)

 

The pictures of models that I can see online show ETPX as the reporting marks (with some models having none).  The Jan 1953 ORER does not list these reporting marks.  Does anyone know for sure if they are correct, and if so, when did they stop using them?
--
Bill Parks
Cumming, GA
Modelling the Seaboard Airline in Central Florida


Re: caboose colors

John Barry
 

Indian Red Way Cars are mid-decade in the future (1966) for those modified with cushion underframes on the Santa Fe.  1974 saw the demise of Mineral Brown in favor of Indian Red on the remaining way cars.  Throughout the period of the list, Mineral Brown was the car body color.

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA


707-490-9696 






On Wednesday, July 7, 2021, 12:57:29 AM EDT, Charlie Vlk <cvlk@...> wrote:


There is a cabinet card currently on eXxx showing an early Great Northern caboose with dark color drop shadows on lighter color lettering.  The car body might be varnished natural wood or perhaps a shade of yellow/ ocher.  Lettering is of a style recognizable as a forerunner of STMFC patterns.
Charlie Vlk



On Jul 6, 2021, at 11:14 PM, Jim Betz <jimbetz@...> wrote:

Ray,
  I don't think you are taking the date of that article (1906) nor the source (Leavenworth Times, a
newspaper) enough into consideration.  I do not know what color the GN cabeese were in 1906
but, to be perfectly honest, using a newspaper article to determine the 'proper/right' color for a
GN caboose in 1906 seems ... to me at least ... dubious.  It's probably better than nothing at
all but I don't know how much better nor how much stock you should take as it being "a
reliable source".
  It would not surprise me to learn that the GN crummies were tuscan/mineral red in 1906.
But I'd prefer to have a different information source.  At best, it would seem that an article
in the Leavenworth Times is 'good for Leavenworth' ... but since practices on the GN in that
era were considerably different ... it may not apply to what was happening in the Twin Cities.
I believe that the GN and almost all RRs in the early 1900s assigned the caboose to a
specific conductor (as opposed to a "train") and so when the crew was changed out so
was the caboose.  That would mean that if Leavenworth was a division point in the first
decade of the 1900s that any way car the reporter might have seen would be ones that
were assigned to Leavenworth and the lines on either side/around Leavenworth ... but
probably didn't run thru to Spokane, Seattle, etc.  A good guess might be from Leavenworth
to Wenatchee?
                                                                                                        - Jim 


American Refrigerator Transit 24029

Lester Breuer
 

 

I have upgraded an InterMountain American Refrigerator Transit ( ART) Refrigerator Car, class RS, with unique four horizontal steel panels on sides, numbered 24029.  My build included adding bracket and wire grab irons, wood running board and correct universal brake wheel.  And, paint matches for factory paint.  If you are interested, photos and write up are now available on my blog I have to share photos and writeup of modeling projects on my Minneapolis & Northland Railroad Company.  If would like to take a look please do at the following link:

 

http://mnrailroadcab100.blogspot.com/

 

Lester Breuer

 


Re: Post Card: East Tennessee Packing Company (Selecto)

Bill Parks
 

Claus & Doug - 

Thanks for the info.  So it's safe to say EPTX was in use at least through the billboard era
--
Bill Parks
Cumming, GA
Modelling the Seaboard Airline in Central Florida


Re: Photo: Santa Fe Boxcars At Hills Brothers Coffee Factory (1938)

John Barry
 

Garth,

The cars at Hills Bros are in fact on a State Belt spur served from the south as you surmised.  The Santa Fe Spear St yard was behind the Marine building with a Santa Fe owned spur running on the back side of Hills Bros up Spear street.  The State Belt switched all of the trackage north of China Basin, including the ATSF & SP owned tracks.  Attached is the 1938 Google Earth view showing the State Belt tracks in gold and the SF in blue.  Not all tracks highlighted.Inline image

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA


707-490-9696 






On Saturday, July 3, 2021, 02:44:02 PM EDT, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...> wrote:


Bob and Friends,

Interesting that both Santa Fe cars are 50' auto cars. I have attached a 1949+ Sanborn map which sadly does not show the trackage. My best guess is that this was the State Belt Railroad (later San Francisco Belt Railroad) and it approached from the left (real direction south). As you can see from the photo, the Oakland Bay Bridge is somewhat beyond the Marine Corps building to the left. A current view of the buildings is enclosed. The track in the street is the Muni heritage streetcar line.

Yours Aye,

Garth Groff  🦆

On Sat, Jul 3, 2021 at 12:53 PM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Photo: Santa Fe Boxcars At Hills Brothers Coffee Factory (1938)

Photo from the OpenSFHistory website.

https://opensfhistory.org/Display/wnp14.2714.jpg

Caption:

“View west across Embarcadero to bridge, Hills Brothers Coffee Plant with freight cars alongside.”

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: SHPX 161 two compartment tank in 1950 (possibly built 7-7-30)

Ed Hawkins
 



On Jul 7, 2021, at 5:23 PM, Ed Hawkins <hawk0621@...> wrote:

The 1955 tank car tariff denoted SHPX 158-160, 162, and 164-166 (7 cars) as having a nominal tank capacity of 10,000 gallons and each dome 124 gallons. With just 161 & 163 lacking from a continuous series 158-166, it’s apparent that SHPX received 9 of the original 10 cars. 

STMFC,
Just to set the record straight from my previous message, the Sept. 1955 tariff book listed 8 cars SHPX 157-160, 162, and 164-166 with dimensions consistent to the original CLX 2270-2279 cars having unequal-sized tanks of nominal 4000 & 6000 gallons. Thus, SHPX received all 10 of the original CLX 2270-2279 series, however, SHPX 157 was a later addition between 4/47 and 4/51. 

The 7/38 ORER listed the 10 original cars CLX 2270-2279 built 7-30. My next readily-available ORER is 1/43 in which CLX was no longer listed & 9 cars SHPX 158-166 were listed as being 50-ton compartment cars. Moving forward to the 4/47 ORER, 8 cars SHPX 158-163, 165-166 were still listed with 164 apparently being lost to attrition between 1/43 to 4/47. Somewhere along the line by 4/51, SHPX 157 was added and continued to be listed in the Sept. 1955 tank car tariff book making it 8 cars SHPX 157-160, 162, 164-166. 
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: Post Card: East Tennessee Packing Company (Selecto)

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi Bill and List Members,
 
East Tennessee Packing Company is listed in the Dec 1930 ORER with updated data submitted on Jul 1930 - series 305-314 (10 cars) marked as ETPX. See attached
 
Claus Schlund
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2021 11:50 AM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Post Card: East Tennessee Packing Company (Selecto)

The pictures of models that I can see online show ETPX as the reporting marks (with some models having none).  The Jan 1953 ORER does not list these reporting marks.  Does anyone know for sure if they are correct, and if so, when did they stop using them?
--
Bill Parks
Cumming, GA
Modelling the Seaboard Airline in Central Florida


Re: Does anyone recognize the herald on the boxcars?

John Barry
 

That is WP's San Francisco yard & team tracks.  See the attached Google Earth image.  Green track = WP, red = SP, yellow = joint ATSF/SP.Inline image

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA


707-490-9696 






On Friday, July 2, 2021, 06:09:43 PM EDT, Claus Schlund \(HGM\) <claus@...> wrote:


Hi List Members,
 
The image linked below was shot in San Francisco. This means it could be SP trackage (likely) or ATSF trackage (less likely) or State Belt RR (likely). Does anyone recognize the herald on the boxcars?
 
 
Metadata can be found at the link below
 
 
Claus Schlund
 


Book: The Packers, The Private Car Lines, And The People (1906)

Bob Chaparro
 

Book: The Packers, The Private Car Lines, And The People (1906)

A book defending the packers and their private car lines by J. Ogden Armour:

https://archive.org/details/cu31924002365561/page/n1/mode/2up

Mr. Armour certainly had a point of view to promote.

Bob Chaparro

Moderator

Railway Bull Shippers Group

https://groups.io/g/RailwayBullShippersGroup


Photos: UP Livestock Car 44832

Bob Chaparro
 

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