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Photo: Boxcars At Louisiana Celotex Company (Undated)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Boxcars At Louisiana Celotex Company (Undated)

Photo from Louisiana Digital Library:

https://louisianadigitallibrary.org/islandora/object/hnoc-clf%3A3059

Click and scroll on photo to enlarge it.

Partial view of T&P 41050 with Celotex load.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: IC Box Car 12321 (1905)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: IC Box Car 12321 (1905)

Photo from Louisiana Digital Library:

https://louisianadigitallibrary.org/islandora/object/lsu-ua-uap%3A445

Click and scroll on photo to enlarge it.

Appears to be a staged photo of law enforcement officer with hobos.

Sign on boxcar may read “Brick Works”.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Plenty of RDG twin and quad hoppers, 1940s

Todd Sullivan
 

That was an amazing operation, and there was a similar regional breaker at St. Nicholas in the Mahoning Valley.
The business idea was to centralize the anthracite 'refining' operations at two regional mega-breakers instead of having lots of smaller breakers.  It also probably improved the financials of smaller mining operations, since they could relyon Reading's breakers to process their coal instead of having to invest in their own. 

I walked all over the St. Nicholas breaker area a couple of times in the early 2000s, well after it had closed.  The breaker sat in a shallow creek valley, and the raw coal arrived in a yard at the bottom, then was hauled up to the top of the complex where each carload was inspected and dumped.  The raw anthracite was conveyed to the top of the breaker whcih was about 4-5 stories tall, then it was crushed, washed and sorted by size and reloaded in empty hoppers.  There was a thawing shed, probably of the same design as Locust Summit's.  Loaded cars were dropped down to a scale, weighed, then switched into trains destined for customers.  I found some weigh records from the late 1960s in the old office that showed that almost all carloads were going to export via the Readings facility at Port Richmond in Philadelphia.  The entire breaker could have been a model railroad in itself, especially if the era was set in the 1940s.

Todd Sullivan


ATSF Bx-11 Drawing

Gene Deimling
 

A digital copy of the general arrangement drawing can be obtained from the railroad museum in Temple,Texas.  The drawing is for the as-buiilt configuration.  
Here is the contact information if you are interested. 

Railroad and History Museum. E-mail rrhm@.... Phone 254-298-5172. Craig Ordner is the archivist and he's always willing to help.

I have attached a diagram sheet for the extended roof cars that depicts the roof details. I used this information to build masters for a kit of the Bx-12 for Southern Car & Foundry.  

Gene Deimling


Re: ATSF Class Bx-12 raised Roof Rebuilds [was Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Loading Pulpwood Into A Boxcar (Circa 1940)]

Randy Hammill
 

Nope, I was wrong. The Bx-3 drawings are in the 1931 CBC with a photo, and there are side and end photos of a Bx-12. But no drawings.

I was correct that we have a drawing for the Bx-12, but unfortunately it’s not one I can publish, at least not right now. I’ll see if I can get permission.

Randy
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Randy Hammill
Prototype Junction
http://prototypejunction.com

Modeling the New Haven Railroad 1946-1954
http://newbritainstation.com


Re: Plenty of RDG twin and quad hoppers, 1940s

William Dale
 

The sad part is nothing remains, but one set of rails.


Re: Some views of Penn Gas Coal Co equipment...

CJ Riley <cjriley42@...>
 


It’s at the bottom of the steps and just a way to safely cross that considerable ditch. The span is too long for a simple board, thus the angled reinforcement.



Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] HOKX tank (chlorine) blt 1936 in 1963 detail

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Claus;

 

Nice find!

 

Looks to me like they are unloading chlorine at a water treatment plant.  Like you already didn’t know that….

 

Nice photo of rarely-photographed activity!

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Wednesday, July 7, 2021 3:17 PM
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Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] HOKX tank (chlorine) blt 1936 in 1963 detail

 

Hi List Members,

 

HOKX tank (chlorine) blt 1936 in 1963 detail

 

 

Metadata at the link below...

 

 

Enjoy!

 

Claus Schlund

 


Re: Photo: West India Fruit & Steamship Co. Boxcar 317 (1956)

Jim Ogden
 

Belle Chase in N’walins was the major SeaTrain facility. There was a lot of traffic to Havana prior to 1961. I wouldn’t be surprised if there were American owned freight cars in Cuba as late as 2000 long since written off as lost

Jim Ogden


Re: Photo: Pickle Car - further question

Tim O'Connor
 


And another GBFX - this one a vinegar car.

On 7/12/2021 6:20 PM, Douglas Harding wrote:

Here is photo of a Budlong pickle car. Looks like it was taken by Clay Tinkham. GBFX reporting marks belong to Green Bay Foods.

 

Doug Harding


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


CNJ ice car

Tim O'Connor
 


From today's Washington Post - a photo of ice cars used to transport block ice from New Jersey
to New York City (In an article about climate change - New Jersey no longer gets cold enough to
harvest the ice from the lake). My hometown of Sterling MA also used to have an ice harvest from
our local ponds, using the B&M line (now a rail trail).

Tim O'Connor


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Photo: Loading Pulpwood Into A Boxcar (Circa 1940)

David Smith
 

As this is Louisiana in 1940, it seems likely that two black men were low-wage laborers and extremely unlikely that either of them would have been owner-operator. 

David Smith


Re: ATSF Class Bx-12 raised Roof Rebuilds [was Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Loading Pulpwood Into A Boxcar (Circa 1940)]

Randy Hammill
 

Yes, I’m 99% sure it was published in a Car Builders’ Cyclopedia. I’ll try to find it tomorrow, for some reason I seem to have not scanned it.

Randy

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Randy Hammill
Prototype Junction
http://prototypejunction.com

Modeling the New Haven Railroad 1946-1954
http://newbritainstation.com


Re: ATSF Class Bx-12 raised Roof Rebuilds [was Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Loading Pulpwood Into A Boxcar (Circa 1940)]

Randy Hammill
 

To build on that, I wrote a summary of the cars here:

https://www.prototypejunction.com/p/models.html?m=1

1941-1943 for the shorter extension, 1943-4 for the taller.

Yes, we still want to produce them, but they probably won’t be our first project released. Still working on what we can do…

Randy
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Randy Hammill
Prototype Junction
http://prototypejunction.com

Modeling the New Haven Railroad 1946-1954
http://newbritainstation.com


Re: Photo: Unloading Molasses (1930s)

Jack Mullen
 

On Mon, Jul 12, 2021 at 03:16 PM, Nolan Hinshaw wrote:
Molasses, bunker, what's the diff
Well, are you firing a boiler or serving pancakes?
(in the absence of any evidence of heating I'd say either virgin cane molasses - New Orleans and all that (not black strap) or fuel oil, but not bunker).
Peet Bros. manufactured soap, so none of the above. Their major imports would be vegetable oils: coconut, olive, and palm. They merged with Palmolive (notice the name?) in the late '20s which probably accounts for absence in the later ORERs.

Jack Mullen


Re: Some views of Penn Gas Coal Co equipment...

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Well, for the second time today, it appears I can see very well.  You’re correct, of course.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Townsend via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2021 12:15 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Some views of Penn Gas Coal Co equipment...

 

It looks like a footbridge across a drainage ditch. There are stairs on both ends.



On Jul 12, 2021, at 9:02 PM, Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:



What is that for?

 

In the photo, second link below, there is something odd at the lower left.

<image002.jpg>

At first glance I thought “That’s a silly place for a diving board.”  But then I wondered what IS that for?

There’s no track on which cars could be run that the extended plank would reach.

 

What is that for?

Schuyler

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2021 7:50 PM
To: STMFC <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Some views of Penn Gas Coal Co equipment...

 

Hi List Members,

 

Some views of Penn Gas Coal Co equipment...

 

PGCCo 2807, a PRR class GL hopper clone, reweigh date might be 1915...

 

 

 

Next there is a Penn Gas Coal Co mine. The hopper closest to the camera appears to be a PRR class GLa clone and not a car belonging to the PRR since the numeric (3270 as near as I can tell) end reporting mark style does not match PRR paint and lettering  practice. I do have an image of another PGCCo GLa clone, PGCCo 3310, and so the number 3270 could easily fall into the PGCCo number range. This very well may be a PGCCo car, but I cannot say for sure

 

 

According to the article "PENNSY GLa HOPPERS" by Burg (RMJ Feb2002) Penn Gas Coal Co was 'taken over by Westmoreland Coal' in 1918

 

Enjoy!

 

Claus Schlund

 


Re: Some views of Penn Gas Coal Co equipment...

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi Schuyler and List Members,
 
It's a primitive bridge so people can walk across the gully or drainage ditch or brook or swampy area that is underneath the plank. Note the stair steps on both ends of the 'extended plank' as you called it
 
Claus Schlund
 

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Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2021 12:02 AM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Some views of Penn Gas Coal Co equipment...

What is that for?

 

In the photo, second link below, there is something odd at the lower left.

At first glance I thought “That’s a silly place for a diving board.”  But then I wondered what IS that for?

There’s no track on which cars could be run that the extended plank would reach.

 

What is that for?

Schuyler

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2021 7:50 PM
To: STMFC <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Some views of Penn Gas Coal Co equipment...

 

Hi List Members,

 

Some views of Penn Gas Coal Co equipment...

 

PGCCo 2807, a PRR class GL hopper clone, reweigh date might be 1915...

 

 

 

Next there is a Penn Gas Coal Co mine. The hopper closest to the camera appears to be a PRR class GLa clone and not a car belonging to the PRR since the numeric (3270 as near as I can tell) end reporting mark style does not match PRR paint and lettering  practice. I do have an image of another PGCCo GLa clone, PGCCo 3310, and so the number 3270 could easily fall into the PGCCo number range. This very well may be a PGCCo car, but I cannot say for sure

 

 

According to the article "PENNSY GLa HOPPERS" by Burg (RMJ Feb2002) Penn Gas Coal Co was 'taken over by Westmoreland Coal' in 1918

 

Enjoy!

 

Claus Schlund

 


Re: Some views of Penn Gas Coal Co equipment...

Richard Townsend
 

It looks like a footbridge across a drainage ditch. There are stairs on both ends.


On Jul 12, 2021, at 9:02 PM, Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:



What is that for?

 

In the photo, second link below, there is something odd at the lower left.

<image002.jpg>

At first glance I thought “That’s a silly place for a diving board.”  But then I wondered what IS that for?

There’s no track on which cars could be run that the extended plank would reach.

 

What is that for?

Schuyler

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2021 7:50 PM
To: STMFC <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Some views of Penn Gas Coal Co equipment...

 

Hi List Members,

 

Some views of Penn Gas Coal Co equipment...

 

PGCCo 2807, a PRR class GL hopper clone, reweigh date might be 1915...

 

 

 

Next there is a Penn Gas Coal Co mine. The hopper closest to the camera appears to be a PRR class GLa clone and not a car belonging to the PRR since the numeric (3270 as near as I can tell) end reporting mark style does not match PRR paint and lettering  practice. I do have an image of another PGCCo GLa clone, PGCCo 3310, and so the number 3270 could easily fall into the PGCCo number range. This very well may be a PGCCo car, but I cannot say for sure

 

 

According to the article "PENNSY GLa HOPPERS" by Burg (RMJ Feb2002) Penn Gas Coal Co was 'taken over by Westmoreland Coal' in 1918

 

Enjoy!

 

Claus Schlund

 


Re: Some views of Penn Gas Coal Co equipment...

Schuyler Larrabee
 

What is that for?

 

In the photo, second link below, there is something odd at the lower left.

At first glance I thought “That’s a silly place for a diving board.”  But then I wondered what IS that for?

There’s no track on which cars could be run that the extended plank would reach.

 

What is that for?

Schuyler

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2021 7:50 PM
To: STMFC <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Some views of Penn Gas Coal Co equipment...

 

Hi List Members,

 

Some views of Penn Gas Coal Co equipment...

 

PGCCo 2807, a PRR class GL hopper clone, reweigh date might be 1915...

 

 

 

Next there is a Penn Gas Coal Co mine. The hopper closest to the camera appears to be a PRR class GLa clone and not a car belonging to the PRR since the numeric (3270 as near as I can tell) end reporting mark style does not match PRR paint and lettering  practice. I do have an image of another PGCCo GLa clone, PGCCo 3310, and so the number 3270 could easily fall into the PGCCo number range. This very well may be a PGCCo car, but I cannot say for sure

 

 

According to the article "PENNSY GLa HOPPERS" by Burg (RMJ Feb2002) Penn Gas Coal Co was 'taken over by Westmoreland Coal' in 1918

 

Enjoy!

 

Claus Schlund

 


Re: Stamped car numbers?

Philip Dove
 

Even if the number was stamped on the underframe, there was the risk that major components could be taken off one car to repair another as they got older. Back in 2000 I discovered a derelict ex USATC standard 0-6-0 switcher. Really keen types with me, crawled under and around the engine looking for such die stamps to establish its works number and maker. The engine was made from parts of three engines, from both Porter and Vulcan

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On Mon, 12 Jul 2021 at 22:22, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:
Does anyone know if the Southern used metal dies to stamp a car’s road number on its center sill?

The question is to try to determine a car’s original number so it can be painted and numbered correctly.

Ike




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