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Re: M3 Tank - boxcar load

Charlie Duckworth
 

Caption on the image reads PM 71209. 
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Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: How did axles and wheels ship?

Tim O'Connor
 


I think axles and wheels could be purchased separately and a facility like this puts them together
and loads them onto those "wheelset flat cars" seen in the picture for distribution to RIP tracks all
over the system.


On 7/14/2021 5:49 PM, gary laakso wrote:

This is an overhead view of the C&O Russell yard and shows a huge stockpile of both axles and wheels.  You can blow the picture up for detail.  Were both usually shipped in gondolas to railroad repair facilities?

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/51178358152/in/photostream/ 

 

Gary Laakso



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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: M3 Tank - boxcar load

Tim O'Connor
 


appears to be a steel single sheathed box car - perhaps an SP A-50-10 which had end doors

On 7/14/2021 5:25 PM, Andy Laurent via groups.io wrote:

Two more in the series:

Rear of load
https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/51177312091/in/photostream/ 

Loading via end door (different variant of the M3 tank than the other images)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/51176633307/in/photostream/ 

Andy L



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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: How did axles and wheels ship?

Benjamin Hom
 

George Courtney wrote:
"Loved the photo.  In the far right, almost upper corner are two small cars that are light in color and fairly short, but do not appear to be cabooses to me.  Can anyone identify these two cars?  Just curious."

Those are a pair of boxcars.  Note the foreshortening of other cars in the far background, particularly the hoppers on the next few tracks over.


Ben Hom


Re: How did axles and wheels ship?

George Courtney
 

Loved the photo.  In the far right, almost upper corner are two small cars that are light in color and fairly short, but do not appear to be cabooses to me.  Can anyone identify these two cars?  Just curious.

Thanks,
George Courtney


Re: How did axles and wheels ship?

 

I can't speak for other railroads, but the C&O shipped their wheelsets on specially built cars, three of which are visible in this photo. A significant number of the C&O's USRA boxcars were cut down specifically for this use, somewhere around 80 of them, and they were not the only wheel cars in the fleet. These USRA-convert wheel cars could transport 18 sets of wheels and axles.  


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Andrew Cummings
Houston, TX


How did axles and wheels ship?

gary laakso
 

This is an overhead view of the C&O Russell yard and shows a huge stockpile of both axles and wheels.  You can blow the picture up for detail.  Were both usually shipped in gondolas to railroad repair facilities?

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/51178358152/in/photostream/ 

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 


Re: M3 Tank - boxcar load

Andy Laurent
 

Two more in the series:

Rear of load
https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/51177312091/in/photostream/ 

Loading via end door (different variant of the M3 tank than the other images)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/51176633307/in/photostream/ 

Andy L


M3 Tank - boxcar load

Andy Laurent
 

Something new for those DD auto boxcars.  An M3 Stuart light tank in a boxcar!  June 2, 1942.
(Floor boards didn't hold up as well as a flatcar's decking would have)

Barriger Library Image

Andy Laurent
Madison WI


Re: Photo: Illinois Central Express Reefer 4840 (Undated)

nyc3001 .
 

Can these be modeled with the Westerfield AC&F wood reefer kits? They seem to resemble Type II or III reefers.

-Phil Lee


Re: Remembering Larry Jackman with fondness

al_brown03
 

I love Larry's story about color, and have often quoted it.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Re: Remembering Larry Jackman with fondness

Tony Thompson
 

I love your subject line, Dave. Larry was quite a storyteller and had a million reminiscences (hopefully more factual than the one you sent, but maybe less fun as well). In later years, I have often repeated his story of coming on duty as a switchman and trying to track down the paperwork for a car in the yard.

Tony Thompson
tony@signaturepress.com


Re: Photo: Illinois Central Express Reefer 4840 (Undated)

Jeffrey White
 

According to the diagram sheet in the 1952 Passenger car diagram book there were 58 cars in that class numbered between 4652-4840.  Originally built by AC&F in 1925.  There were another 74 of these cars numbered in these series 5653-5848, 6672-6842, 6900-6950.

The latter cars had smooth plywood sides.

Jeff White

Alma IL

On 7/14/2021 11:58 AM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io wrote:

Photo: Illinois Central Express Reefer 4840 (Undated)

Photo from Classic Trains:

https://www.trains.com/ctr/photos-videos/photo-of-the-day/illinois-central-express-reefer/

One of 35 wood-sheathed refrigerator cars IC converted to express service.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Remembering Larry Jackman with fondness

Dave Nelson
 

I was cleaning out some old papers and came upon a hardcopy of something Larry Wrote in 2007.  Here it is

 

 

Yes the Wizard of OZ was in black and white until she got to OZ. Then it changed to color. That was because it was filmed in Kansas during the depression and we were so poor that we could not afford color. I can remember standing on the KS/MO line and seeing all that color in MO and black and white on our side. We did not get color until after WWII because they needed it for the war effort.
We have kept a section of ground in the NW corner of the state in black and white just to remind us of how tough it was back then. A section is one mile by one mile.
In fact the land grant RRs got every other section. A section on the left side and then the next section on the right and so on.
We were so poor we had to hunt for food. We had a gun but could not afford any bullets. So we used it as a club. But dad did not like to waste game so before we could club it we had to run a long side and reach down and feel it to see if it was fat enough.
Required freight car comment. It was sure weird watching the trains come across the border and see them loose their color.
I am going back to the wagon boys. These shoes are killing me.
Thank you
Larry Jackman
Boca Raton FL
ljack70117@...
I was born with nothing and
I have most of it left


WTB: Looking for 3 resin kits

Rich C
 

Group, looking to buy the following:

Sunshine  22.6  CB&Q  XA-7 & 8 40' double door outside braced autocar

Sunshine  58.3  B&O M-27B or F 10’ IH double door, Mansard roof autocar

Funaro & Camerlengo #6817 1932 ARA standard box car with Hutchins radial roof

OR

Sunshine  21.25  C&O 7000 series 1932 ARA Box Car with Hutchins radial roof


Please contact me off list

Thanks

Rich Christie

rhcdmc@...


Photo: “A” End View SP Boxcar 102196 (1952)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: “A” End View SP Boxcar 102196 (1952)

Photo from Louisiana Digital Library:

https://louisianadigitallibrary.org/islandora/object/hnoc-clf%3A9033

Click and scroll on photo to enlarge it.

This is a B-50-28, one of 1,500 cars built by Pullman-Standard in 1950, series 102100-103599.

Pullman-Standard built an additional 3,000 B-50-28 boxcars in 1950-51, including 1,500 for T&NO.

For additional details see Thompson’s Southern Pacific Freight Cars, Volume 4 – Box Cars:

https://www.signaturepress.com/thompson/SPF4.html

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Article: Everybody Profits By The Reefer

Bob Chaparro
 

Article: Everybody Profits By The Reefer

An illustrated article from the October 1953 Pacific Electric Magazine:

http://libraryarchives.metro.net/DPGTL/employeenews/PE_Mag_1953_Oct.pdf

The article begins on Page 8.

A quote from the article:

“An idea of the extent to which Pacific Electric has profited through the invention of the refrigerator car may be gained by a glance at the carload figures for citrus and celery PE as originating · carrier started on their way to Eastern markets in the first six months of 1953. Combined figures for the two perishables totaled 6,122 carloads. In addition, considerable frozen citrus juice is handled from Covina, Hollywood, Claremont, Glendora, Brea, and San Fernando points.”

Bob Chaparro

Moderator

Railroad Citrus Industry Modeling Group

https://groups.io/g/RailroadCitrusIndustryModelingGroup


Photo: Illinois Central Express Reefer 4840 (Undated)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Illinois Central Express Reefer 4840 (Undated)

Photo from Classic Trains:

https://www.trains.com/ctr/photos-videos/photo-of-the-day/illinois-central-express-reefer/

One of 35 wood-sheathed refrigerator cars IC converted to express service.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: ERIE ds boxcar in 1929

Ray Breyer
 

My guess is that the car is somewhere in the 102500-111999 number series. The cars were built between 1904 and 1907 with an assortment of doors (mostly left opening) and roofs, but all had straight sill steel underframes. Right after USRA control ended the Erie began rebuilding the cars, mostly with outside metal roofs, Indestructible composite ends, and right-opening doors.

Inline image

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL


On Wednesday, July 14, 2021, 11:11:37 AM CDT, Claus Schlund \(HGM\) <claus@...> wrote:


Thanks Rob, but the numbers don't go that high for ERIE in my Dec 1930 ORER. Highest numbered car at that time is ERIE 121999, a 35ft 11in 80000 lb boxcar.
 
Claus Schlund
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2021 11:44 AM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ERIE ds boxcar in 1929

I’d guess the number is either 427XXX or 127XXX.  Don’t have an early ORER to check that out with,

Rob 

On Jul 14, 2021, at 8:38 AM, Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) <claus@...> wrote:

HI Ed and List Members,
 
Ed wrote: "there may have been a few exceptions but almost all Erie double sheathed box cars were 36 ft". Thanks Ed for the additional info.
Ed's remark was in response to my prior post on this topic, a portion of which is shown in bold below...
 
 
 
 
ERIE ds boxcar in 1929
 
Unfortunately, the reporting marks cannot be seen, neither on the car side not the car end. Looks to be a 36ft car.
 
The paint looks to be in great shape, perhaps recently repainted.
 
 
 
 
I did a little further detective work on this. The above (road number unknown) ERIE car appears to be nearly identical to the car ERIE 101549 seen in this 1928  image...
 
 
I can see some minor vairiances in the corner metal bracings - perhaps others who are better at playing hocus-focus can find other deltas that I missed. Otherwise, it appears to be spot on. ERIE 101549 was built in 1902, rebuilt 1920s (cannot quite discern the last digit), reweighed 1926. If this all is correct (big IF), that places the car in series 100000-101999 35ft 8 1/2in IL 60000 lb, with only 94 cars remaining in the Dec 1930 ORER
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 
 
----- Original Message ----- 
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2021 9:35 AM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ERIE ds boxcar in 1929

there may have been a few exceptions but almost all Erie double sheathed box cars were 36 ft.



Re: ERIE ds boxcar in 1929

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Thanks Rob, but the numbers don't go that high for ERIE in my Dec 1930 ORER. Highest numbered car at that time is ERIE 121999, a 35ft 11in 80000 lb boxcar.
 
Claus Schlund
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2021 11:44 AM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ERIE ds boxcar in 1929

I’d guess the number is either 427XXX or 127XXX.  Don’t have an early ORER to check that out with,

Rob 

On Jul 14, 2021, at 8:38 AM, Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) <claus@...> wrote:

HI Ed and List Members,
 
Ed wrote: "there may have been a few exceptions but almost all Erie double sheathed box cars were 36 ft". Thanks Ed for the additional info.
Ed's remark was in response to my prior post on this topic, a portion of which is shown in bold below...
 
 
 
 
ERIE ds boxcar in 1929
 
Unfortunately, the reporting marks cannot be seen, neither on the car side not the car end. Looks to be a 36ft car.
 
The paint looks to be in great shape, perhaps recently repainted.
 
 
 
 
I did a little further detective work on this. The above (road number unknown) ERIE car appears to be nearly identical to the car ERIE 101549 seen in this 1928  image...
 
 
I can see some minor vairiances in the corner metal bracings - perhaps others who are better at playing hocus-focus can find other deltas that I missed. Otherwise, it appears to be spot on. ERIE 101549 was built in 1902, rebuilt 1920s (cannot quite discern the last digit), reweighed 1926. If this all is correct (big IF), that places the car in series 100000-101999 35ft 8 1/2in IL 60000 lb, with only 94 cars remaining in the Dec 1930 ORER
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 
 
----- Original Message ----- 
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2021 9:35 AM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ERIE ds boxcar in 1929

there may have been a few exceptions but almost all Erie double sheathed box cars were 36 ft.


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