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Re: Remembering Larry Jackman with fondness

Tony Thompson
 

I love your subject line, Dave. Larry was quite a storyteller and had a million reminiscences (hopefully more factual than the one you sent, but maybe less fun as well). In later years, I have often repeated his story of coming on duty as a switchman and trying to track down the paperwork for a car in the yard.

Tony Thompson
tony@signaturepress.com
Re: Photo: Illinois Central Express Reefer 4840 (Undated)

Jeffrey White
 

According to the diagram sheet in the 1952 Passenger car diagram book there were 58 cars in that class numbered between 4652-4840.  Originally built by AC&F in 1925.  There were another 74 of these cars numbered in these series 5653-5848, 6672-6842, 6900-6950.

The latter cars had smooth plywood sides.

Jeff White

Alma IL

On 7/14/2021 11:58 AM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io wrote:

Photo: Illinois Central Express Reefer 4840 (Undated)

Photo from Classic Trains:

https://www.trains.com/ctr/photos-videos/photo-of-the-day/illinois-central-express-reefer/

One of 35 wood-sheathed refrigerator cars IC converted to express service.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA
Remembering Larry Jackman with fondness

Dave Nelson
 

I was cleaning out some old papers and came upon a hardcopy of something Larry Wrote in 2007.  Here it is

 

 

Yes the Wizard of OZ was in black and white until she got to OZ. Then it changed to color. That was because it was filmed in Kansas during the depression and we were so poor that we could not afford color. I can remember standing on the KS/MO line and seeing all that color in MO and black and white on our side. We did not get color until after WWII because they needed it for the war effort.
We have kept a section of ground in the NW corner of the state in black and white just to remind us of how tough it was back then. A section is one mile by one mile.
In fact the land grant RRs got every other section. A section on the left side and then the next section on the right and so on.
We were so poor we had to hunt for food. We had a gun but could not afford any bullets. So we used it as a club. But dad did not like to waste game so before we could club it we had to run a long side and reach down and feel it to see if it was fat enough.
Required freight car comment. It was sure weird watching the trains come across the border and see them loose their color.
I am going back to the wagon boys. These shoes are killing me.
Thank you
Larry Jackman
Boca Raton FL
ljack70117@...
I was born with nothing and
I have most of it left
WTB: Looking for 3 resin kits

Rich C
 

Group, looking to buy the following:

Sunshine  22.6  CB&Q  XA-7 & 8 40' double door outside braced autocar

Sunshine  58.3  B&O M-27B or F 10’ IH double door, Mansard roof autocar

Funaro & Camerlengo #6817 1932 ARA standard box car with Hutchins radial roof

OR

Sunshine  21.25  C&O 7000 series 1932 ARA Box Car with Hutchins radial roof


Please contact me off list

Thanks

Rich Christie

rhcdmc@...
Photo: “A” End View SP Boxcar 102196 (1952)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: “A” End View SP Boxcar 102196 (1952)

Photo from Louisiana Digital Library:

https://louisianadigitallibrary.org/islandora/object/hnoc-clf%3A9033

Click and scroll on photo to enlarge it.

This is a B-50-28, one of 1,500 cars built by Pullman-Standard in 1950, series 102100-103599.

Pullman-Standard built an additional 3,000 B-50-28 boxcars in 1950-51, including 1,500 for T&NO.

For additional details see Thompson’s Southern Pacific Freight Cars, Volume 4 – Box Cars:

https://www.signaturepress.com/thompson/SPF4.html

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA
Article: Everybody Profits By The Reefer

Bob Chaparro
 

Article: Everybody Profits By The Reefer

An illustrated article from the October 1953 Pacific Electric Magazine:

http://libraryarchives.metro.net/DPGTL/employeenews/PE_Mag_1953_Oct.pdf

The article begins on Page 8.

A quote from the article:

“An idea of the extent to which Pacific Electric has profited through the invention of the refrigerator car may be gained by a glance at the carload figures for citrus and celery PE as originating · carrier started on their way to Eastern markets in the first six months of 1953. Combined figures for the two perishables totaled 6,122 carloads. In addition, considerable frozen citrus juice is handled from Covina, Hollywood, Claremont, Glendora, Brea, and San Fernando points.”

Bob Chaparro

Moderator

Railroad Citrus Industry Modeling Group

https://groups.io/g/RailroadCitrusIndustryModelingGroup
Photo: Illinois Central Express Reefer 4840 (Undated)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Illinois Central Express Reefer 4840 (Undated)

Photo from Classic Trains:

https://www.trains.com/ctr/photos-videos/photo-of-the-day/illinois-central-express-reefer/

One of 35 wood-sheathed refrigerator cars IC converted to express service.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA
Re: ERIE ds boxcar in 1929

Ray Breyer
 

My guess is that the car is somewhere in the 102500-111999 number series. The cars were built between 1904 and 1907 with an assortment of doors (mostly left opening) and roofs, but all had straight sill steel underframes. Right after USRA control ended the Erie began rebuilding the cars, mostly with outside metal roofs, Indestructible composite ends, and right-opening doors.

Inline image

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL


On Wednesday, July 14, 2021, 11:11:37 AM CDT, Claus Schlund \(HGM\) <claus@...> wrote:


Thanks Rob, but the numbers don't go that high for ERIE in my Dec 1930 ORER. Highest numbered car at that time is ERIE 121999, a 35ft 11in 80000 lb boxcar.
 
Claus Schlund
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2021 11:44 AM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ERIE ds boxcar in 1929

I’d guess the number is either 427XXX or 127XXX.  Don’t have an early ORER to check that out with,

Rob 

On Jul 14, 2021, at 8:38 AM, Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) <claus@...> wrote:

HI Ed and List Members,
 
Ed wrote: "there may have been a few exceptions but almost all Erie double sheathed box cars were 36 ft". Thanks Ed for the additional info.
Ed's remark was in response to my prior post on this topic, a portion of which is shown in bold below...
 
 
 
 
ERIE ds boxcar in 1929
 
Unfortunately, the reporting marks cannot be seen, neither on the car side not the car end. Looks to be a 36ft car.
 
The paint looks to be in great shape, perhaps recently repainted.
 
 
 
 
I did a little further detective work on this. The above (road number unknown) ERIE car appears to be nearly identical to the car ERIE 101549 seen in this 1928  image...
 
 
I can see some minor vairiances in the corner metal bracings - perhaps others who are better at playing hocus-focus can find other deltas that I missed. Otherwise, it appears to be spot on. ERIE 101549 was built in 1902, rebuilt 1920s (cannot quite discern the last digit), reweighed 1926. If this all is correct (big IF), that places the car in series 100000-101999 35ft 8 1/2in IL 60000 lb, with only 94 cars remaining in the Dec 1930 ORER
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 
 
----- Original Message ----- 
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2021 9:35 AM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ERIE ds boxcar in 1929

there may have been a few exceptions but almost all Erie double sheathed box cars were 36 ft.
Re: ERIE ds boxcar in 1929

Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
 


Thanks Rob, but the numbers don't go that high for ERIE in my Dec 1930 ORER. Highest numbered car at that time is ERIE 121999, a 35ft 11in 80000 lb boxcar.
 
Claus Schlund
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2021 11:44 AM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ERIE ds boxcar in 1929

I’d guess the number is either 427XXX or 127XXX.  Don’t have an early ORER to check that out with,

Rob 

On Jul 14, 2021, at 8:38 AM, Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) <claus@...> wrote:

HI Ed and List Members,
 
Ed wrote: "there may have been a few exceptions but almost all Erie double sheathed box cars were 36 ft". Thanks Ed for the additional info.
Ed's remark was in response to my prior post on this topic, a portion of which is shown in bold below...
 
 
 
 
ERIE ds boxcar in 1929
 
Unfortunately, the reporting marks cannot be seen, neither on the car side not the car end. Looks to be a 36ft car.
 
The paint looks to be in great shape, perhaps recently repainted.
 
 
 
 
I did a little further detective work on this. The above (road number unknown) ERIE car appears to be nearly identical to the car ERIE 101549 seen in this 1928  image...
 
 
I can see some minor vairiances in the corner metal bracings - perhaps others who are better at playing hocus-focus can find other deltas that I missed. Otherwise, it appears to be spot on. ERIE 101549 was built in 1902, rebuilt 1920s (cannot quite discern the last digit), reweighed 1926. If this all is correct (big IF), that places the car in series 100000-101999 35ft 8 1/2in IL 60000 lb, with only 94 cars remaining in the Dec 1930 ORER
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 
 
----- Original Message ----- 
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2021 9:35 AM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ERIE ds boxcar in 1929

there may have been a few exceptions but almost all Erie double sheathed box cars were 36 ft.
Re: Photo: CB&Q Boxcar 119673 In Red Cross Service (1927)

Eric Hansmann
 

Note the remains of a paper door seal on this car. Plus a route caard above the right truck.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2021 2:50 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: CB&Q Boxcar 119673 In Red Cross Service (1927)

 

Photo: CB&Q Boxcar 119673 In Red Cross Service (1927)

Photo from Louisiana Digital Library:

https://louisianadigitallibrary.org/islandora/object/ulm-p15140coll27%3A229

Click and scroll on photo to enlarge it.

Car built in 1914.

Description:

“Red Cross boat at Grocery/Grain storehouse in Tallulah, Louisiana, Madison Parish, during the 1927 flood.”

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA
Re: ERIE ds boxcar in 1929

Robert kirkham
 

I’d guess the number is either 427XXX or 127XXX.  Don’t have an early ORER to check that out with,

Rob 

On Jul 14, 2021, at 8:38 AM, Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) <claus@...> wrote:

HI Ed and List Members,
 
Ed wrote: "there may have been a few exceptions but almost all Erie double sheathed box cars were 36 ft". Thanks Ed for the additional info.
Ed's remark was in response to my prior post on this topic, a portion of which is shown in bold below...
 
 
 
 
ERIE ds boxcar in 1929
 
Unfortunately, the reporting marks cannot be seen, neither on the car side not the car end. Looks to be a 36ft car.
 
The paint looks to be in great shape, perhaps recently repainted.
 
 
 
 
I did a little further detective work on this. The above (road number unknown) ERIE car appears to be nearly identical to the car ERIE 101549 seen in this 1928  image...
 
 
I can see some minor vairiances in the corner metal bracings - perhaps others who are better at playing hocus-focus can find other deltas that I missed. Otherwise, it appears to be spot on. ERIE 101549 was built in 1902, rebuilt 1920s (cannot quite discern the last digit), reweighed 1926. If this all is correct (big IF), that places the car in series 100000-101999 35ft 8 1/2in IL 60000 lb, with only 94 cars remaining in the Dec 1930 ORER
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 
 
----- Original Message ----- 
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2021 9:35 AM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ERIE ds boxcar in 1929

there may have been a few exceptions but almost all Erie double sheathed box cars were 36 ft.
Re: ERIE ds boxcar in 1929

Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
 


HI Ed and List Members,
 
Ed wrote: "there may have been a few exceptions but almost all Erie double sheathed box cars were 36 ft". Thanks Ed for the additional info.
Ed's remark was in response to my prior post on this topic, a portion of which is shown in bold below...
 
 
 
 
ERIE ds boxcar in 1929
 
Unfortunately, the reporting marks cannot be seen, neither on the car side not the car end. Looks to be a 36ft car.
 
The paint looks to be in great shape, perhaps recently repainted.
 
 
 
 
I did a little further detective work on this. The above (road number unknown) ERIE car appears to be nearly identical to the car ERIE 101549 seen in this 1928  image...
 
 
I can see some minor vairiances in the corner metal bracings - perhaps others who are better at playing hocus-focus can find other deltas that I missed. Otherwise, it appears to be spot on. ERIE 101549 was built in 1902, rebuilt 1920s (cannot quite discern the last digit), reweighed 1926. If this all is correct (big IF), that places the car in series 100000-101999 35ft 8 1/2in IL 60000 lb, with only 94 cars remaining in the Dec 1930 ORER
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2021 9:35 AM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ERIE ds boxcar in 1929

there may have been a few exceptions but almost all Erie double sheathed box cars were 36 ft.
Re: ERIE ds boxcar in 1929

ed_mines
 

there may have been a few exceptions but almost all Erie double sheathed box cars were 36 ft.
Re: GONDOLA VALIDATION

Mark Rossiter
 

Mont Switzer authored a nice article on making an accurate NKP (former W&LE) car using the Accurail 41 foot gondola as a staring point.  It appeared in the April 2010 issue of Railroad Model Craftsman.

 

Mark Rossiter

 
Re: GONDOLA VALIDATION

kevinhlafferty
 

Bill,

 

I believe the accurate prototypes for this car are ACL 93400-93599, GM&O 13000-13124, CG 18001-18500, USNX 3800. I think there may be someone on this list who can correct me on that if I’m mistaken…

 

Kevin L

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of WILLIAM PARDIE
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2021 2:49 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] GONDOLA VALIDATION

 
WP Gondola Verification

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

Thanks to all who responded including the Spellimg Monitors.

Bill Pardie



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
Re: GONDOLA VALIDATION

Eric Hansmann
 

A load of kale would bring it into plausibility. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On Jul 13, 2021, at 6:00 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


Foodies are found in some vegan restaurants. I am not sure of their accuracy.


On 7/13/2021 3:48 PM, WILLIAM PARDIE wrote:

I came across this Accurail gondola kit in my stash (No idea how it got there).  It looks like it could make up into a nice model if it is legitimate.  This number series is not referenced in my WP Color Guide.  Is accurate or a foodie?

BILL PARDIE

Attachments:



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: GONDOLA VALIDATION

Tim O'Connor
 


Foodies are found in some vegan restaurants. I am not sure of their accuracy.


On 7/13/2021 3:48 PM, WILLIAM PARDIE wrote:

I came across this Accurail gondola kit in my stash (No idea how it got there).  It looks like it could make up into a nice model if it is legitimate.  This number series is not referenced in my WP Color Guide.  Is accurate or a foodie?

BILL PARDIE

Attachments:



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts
Re: Photo: West India Fruit & Steamship Co. Boxcar 317 (1956)

BillM
 

I remember watching those when we were at the beach in Lake Worth when I was a kid. They operated from Port of Palm Beach to Havana. The Port had their own switcher, an 0-6-0 until 1960. Port was served by FEC.

 

Bill Michael

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: July 12, 2021 11:50 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: West India Fruit & Steamship Co. Boxcar 317 (1956)

 

Photo: West India Fruit & Steamship Co. Boxcar 317 (1956)

Photo from Louisiana Digital Library:

https://louisianadigitallibrary.org/islandora/object/hnoc-clf%3A7381

Click and scroll on photo to enlarge it.

Related photo of the car ferry:

https://louisianadigitallibrary.org/islandora/object/hnoc-clf%3A3608

Click and scroll on photo to enlarge it.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA
Re: INTERSTATE had some twin hoppers that were extended height PRR GLa clones

Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
 

Hi List Members,
 
One more image of INT twin hoppers - this time 5383 and 5679 GLa clones with extended height
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2021 6:17 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] INTERSTATE had some twin hoppers that were extended height PRR GLa clones

Hi List Members,
 
Two additional images showing INT hoppers in 1930...
 
In this first image, the only reporting mark clearly discernable is INT 2736, a PRR (standard-height) GLa clone. But notice the stairstep effect visible everywhere, with some cars taller and some shorter. This reflects the mix of standard-height and extended-height GLa clone cars the INTERSTATE owned
 
 
In the second image we have a trio of extended-height cars
 
 
 
Claus Schlund
 
----- Original Message -----
To: STMFC
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2021 5:44 PM
Subject: [RealSTMFC] INTERSTATE had some twin hoppers that were extended height PRR GLa clones

Hi List Members,
 
INTERSTATE had some twin hoppers that were PRR GLa clones, and also some twin hoppers that were extended height PRR GLa clones
 
We see extended height PRR GLa clones below at Westmoreland Coal Co...
 
INT 5367 in 1931
 
 
 
INT 5517 and INT 6085 in 1932
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 
 
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