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Re: Photo: Pickle Car - further question

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Thanks to those who continue to provide photos of these cars.

 

I’d be very tempted to model the FINX car just for the reporting marks!!

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Fritz Milhaupt via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 9:00 AM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Pickle Car - further question

 

A couple more pickle car photos that Phil Shuster sent me about fifteen years ago. Both were taken in 1961.

The first (FINX 203) was taken in Lakeview, Michigan, on the C&O's former Pere Marquette, near the center of the lower peninsula.

The second, a Squire Dingee car (SDX 119) was taken at the C&O yard in Saginaw. It is coupled to a double-sheathed USRA boxcar now in company service.

-Fritz Milhaupt


Re: W.R.T. 6029

earlyrail
 

Checked both 1909 and 1910 ORER's

No Western Refrigerator Tank line listed
There is a Western Refrigerator Despatch - all reefers with meat rails
a Wilcox Tank Line - turpentine

These were the only ones that looks possible

Howard Garner


Re: 1st with K4 decals

Robert Allan
 

I've had pretty good experience with K4 decals. Nice variety of Eastern RR's, plus a good price point as delivery is included.

I would agree that the Speedwitch now NSC are best in class. Also good experience with Westerfield, Mt Vernon Car Works and Smokebox Graphics.

I have a set of Black Cat decals for a CNR project but cannot comment on quality as I haven't used them yet.

Tichy's have been troublesome for me. I don't even start without a coat of Microscale decal film. Their inability to conform to irregular surfaces requires a lot of patience and Microsol. Since they have a nice variety of roadnames, it's a shame.

Microscale has been hit and miss for me. Seems like they can get old and begin deteriorating.

Bob Allan
Omaha
 


Re: Photo: Pickle Car - further question

Fritz Milhaupt
 

A couple more pickle car photos that Phil Shuster sent me about fifteen years ago. Both were taken in 1961.

The first (FINX 203) was taken in Lakeview, Michigan, on the C&O's former Pere Marquette, near the center of the lower peninsula.

The second, a Squire Dingee car (SDX 119) was taken at the C&O yard in Saginaw. It is coupled to a double-sheathed USRA boxcar now in company service.

-Fritz Milhaupt


W.R.T. 6029

Richard Townsend
 

I am looking at a claim for wine missing from W.R.T car 6029. This is from 1909 and involved a shipment from San Francisco to Denver. Can anyone provide me with information on this car? Like, who was the owner? Is that Western Refrigerator Transit? What kind of car was it? A reefer? Assuming it's from a block of cars built for the W.R.T. what were the numbers? Is there a diagram of photo of a car from this series? Thanks for any enlightenment you can provide.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


Warren and Mt. Vernon flat cars

Larry Smith
 

I'm trying to compile an accurate list of the Warren and Mt. Vernon flats used on the 1967 Strates train.  All of these cars were built prior to 1946 and are steam era cars.  I'm hoping someone has a list of these cars and what the number of the car was on the Warrens and the Mt. Vernons.so I can number my models correctly.

Larry Smith


Re: 1st with K4 decals

O Fenton Wells
 

I use them as they have a great variety. They are also great to do business with.   But I agree with Clark, they are good but not as crisp as Speedwitch, now NSC decals.  Here is the 
CN&L car with K4 decals
Fenton

On Fri, Jul 16, 2021 at 11:39 AM Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) <claus@...> wrote:
Hi Clark and List members,
 
Thanks Clark for the report - I have some K4 decals, but have not put them to use yet.
 
Claus Schlund
 
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Just applied my first K4 decals on an Erie box car. My observation is they were thin, but the printing is not as crisp as others on the market. Better than F&C by a ways tho... 
I has a set for a Soo Line box car I hope to use in the not too distant future.
Clark Propst



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Re: 1st with K4 decals

Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
 


Hi Clark and List members,
 
Thanks Clark for the report - I have some K4 decals, but have not put them to use yet.
 
Claus Schlund
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, July 16, 2021 11:31 AM
Subject: [RealSTMFC] 1st with K4 decals

Just applied my first K4 decals on an Erie box car. My observation is they were thin, but the printing is not as crisp as others on the market. Better than F&C by a ways tho... 
I has a set for a Soo Line box car I hope to use in the not too distant future.
Clark Propst


1st with K4 decals

Clark Propst
 

Just applied my first K4 decals on an Erie box car. My observation is they were thin, but the printing is not as crisp as others on the market. Better than F&C by a ways tho... 
I has a set for a Soo Line box car I hope to use in the not too distant future.
Clark Propst


Re: Walthers Proto PRR X29b

naptownprr
 

Thank you.  I stand corrected.

Jim

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No, the man's name was Edward Berwind. The name lives on in the Berwind Corporation, based in Philadelphia. They've gotten out of the coal mining business but still own coal lands and lease mining rights. They also have money in food processing equipment and some other lines I don't recall.

From the Wikipedia article on the Berwind Corporation: It began as a partnership of Edward Julius Berwind, Charles Berwind, and Congressman Allison White and upon White's death became known as Berwind White Company in 1886.

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Actually, I think Berwind is Windber flipped.  I think the coal company came up with that one!

Jim Hunter
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Windber, Pa. (Cambria County near Johnstown), was a company coal patch town. Windber is BERWIND flipped. In the 1990’s I was involved in a construction project in Windber and was fascinated that the Berwind-White Coal Company still had leased coal reserve holdings in that area in that era. FYI stuff!



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Walthers has a history of pulling "facts" out of thin air. Years ago they claimed the Berwind-White Coal Co. was so named for their low smoke "white" coal when in fact Berwind and White were the two guys who started the corporation. That irked me then, this irks me now.



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Re: Walthers Proto PRR X29b

robert netzlof <rtnetzlof@...>
 

No, the man's name was Edward Berwind. The name lives on in the Berwind Corporation, based in Philadelphia. They've gotten out of the coal mining business but still own coal lands and lease mining rights. They also have money in food processing equipment and some other lines I don't recall.

From the Wikipedia article on the Berwind Corporation: It began as a partnership of Edward Julius Berwind, Charles Berwind, and Congressman Allison White and upon White's death became known as Berwind White Company in 1886.

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Actually, I think Berwind is Windber flipped. I think the coal company came up with that one!

Jim Hunter
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Windber, Pa. (Cambria County near Johnstown), was a company coal patch town. Windber is BERWIND flipped. In the 1990’s I was involved in a construction project in Windber and was fascinated that the Berwind-White Coal Company still had leased coal reserve holdings in that area in that era. FYI stuff!



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Walthers has a history of pulling "facts" out of thin air. Years ago they claimed the Berwind-White Coal Co. was so named for their low smoke "white" coal when in fact Berwind and White were the two guys who started the corporation. That irked me then, this irks me now.



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Re: M3 Tank - boxcar load

Jim Gates
 

There are photographs of 2 1/2 ton CCKW trucks being loaded/unloaded through the side door of automobile cars. 2 1/2 ton trucks and 1/4 ton trucks (jeeps) probably accounted for more US military vehicles manufactured during WWII than all others combined.

Jim Gates
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I'm thinking that these photos were related to some sort of experiment to see if automobile boxcars could be used in this kind of service. Flat cars would have been in high demand for all sorts of war-related cargos, but with the domestic automobile industry largely shut down for production of other war goods, there would have been a large fleet of automobile cars available for other uses. If light tanks could be accommodated, that would have been very useful – and as a bonus, their movements would have been less viewable.

Of course, if the floorboards on the automobile cars couldn't take the load... but I'll bet they could accommodate armoured cars, and likely trucks of the day.

Ian Cranstone
Osgoode, Ontario, Canada
lamontc@...

 


On 2021-07-14 17:21, Andy Laurent via groups.io wrote:

Something new for those DD auto boxcars.  An M3 Stuart light tank in a boxcar!  June 2, 1942.
(Floor boards didn't hold up as well as a flatcar's decking would have)


Re: Walthers Proto PRR X29b

naptownprr
 

Actually, I think Berwind is Windber flipped.  I think the coal company came up with that one!

Jim Hunter

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Windber, Pa. (Cambria County near Johnstown), was a company coal patch town. Windber is BERWIND flipped. In the 1990’s I was involved in a construction project in Windber and was fascinated that the Berwind-White Coal Company still had leased coal reserve holdings in that area in that era. FYI stuff!

 

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Walthers has a history of pulling "facts" out of thin air. Years ago they claimed the Berwind-White Coal Co. was so named for their low smoke "white" coal when in fact Berwind and White were the two guys who started the corporation. That irked me then, this irks me now.

 

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Re: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] Walthers Proto PRR X29b

Jeffrey Gray <bigsix@...>
 

Windber, Pa. (Cambria County near Johnstown), was a company coal patch town. Windber is BERWIND flipped. In the 1990’s I was involved in a construction project in Windber and was fascinated that the Berwind-White Coal Company still had leased coal reserve holdings in that area in that era. FYI stuff!

 

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From: robert netzlof
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2021 10:50 PM
To: main
Subject: Re: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] Walthers Proto PRR X29b

 

Walthers has a history of pulling "facts" out of thin air. Years ago they claimed the Berwind-White Coal Co. was so named for their low smoke "white" coal when in fact Berwind and White were the two guys who started the corporation. That irked me then, this irks me now.

 

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Re: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] Walthers Proto PRR X29b

robert netzlof <rtnetzlof@...>
 

Walthers has a history of pulling "facts" out of thin air. Years ago they claimed the Berwind-White Coal Co. was so named for their low smoke "white" coal when in fact Berwind and White were the two guys who started the corporation. That irked me then, this irks me now.

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Re: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] Walthers Proto PRR X29b

Randy Hammill
 

Yeah, this is their reasoning:

These moved on dedicated freight trains with expedited schedules, covering the 900 miles between New York and Chicago in as little as 32 hours. 


And the description:

With all-new tooling to capture the look of the prototypes, the WalthersProto X29b features the correct larger body, 7' Youngstown doors, a diagonal panel roof and 4/3/1 Dreadnaught ends, and come finished in the early silver scheme with the circle Keystone. 

Although I’m not a Pennsy expert, I haven’t heard of such trains. I’ll take the word of those of you more informed. I also have no need for a caboose, of course.

I’d happy to go in on a set with one or several others, and take my chances on one or two cars’ worth. I suspect that since they are only being sold in a set, the resale value individually would cover costs if I/we decided they weren’t up to my/our standards. I do hope the roof is separate, I’d rather do the earlier rectangular panel roof since that will cover a greater period of my modeling era.

 Randy


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Re: Who makes decals for HO USRA SS boxcars?

Randy Hammill
 

Definitely Westerfield. Much better than the Tichy ones, and Andrew has most roads that owned them.

Randy
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Re: Article: Everybody Profits By The Reefer

Ray Hutchison
 

Whoa!  You found he long lost Cheech and Chong movie!


Photo: View Of Southern Gondola 187070 Underframe

David
 

This is a nice, uncommon view of Southern's first generation of steel gondolas. These were largely rebuilt into composite cars by the mid-late 1920s, so it is nice to see an original version with underframe details and the windup shafts for the drop doors.

David Thompson


SEEKING A SMALL ITEM

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

There was a flurry of posts on the Grandt Line Oil Distributor a while back.  I was fortunate In having purchased one of the original kits and a second  from the San Juan release.

With this I eiected to do a six tank facility with three vertical and three horizontal tanks.  I wanted flat tops on the vertical tanks.  The two kits left me one short of ends.  I would prefer to buy a pop-in as opposed to cutting a perfect circle.  Hopefully someone might have an end to sell.

Thanks:

Bill Pardie



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