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Southern Boxcar 3218

gary laakso
 

Kalmbach’s Steam’s Lost Empire 2 at page 93 has a David Morgan overhead picture of a Ps-4 leaving Lynchberg, VA with the first car behind it a Southern boxcar 3218 that appears to have a vent square to the left side of the door at roof level.  Is it an express boxcar?

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock


Re: New Decal Available

hubert mask
 

Not at this time.   May need to kit bash.

Hubert 


On Jul 17, 2021, at 11:18 PM, Scott <repairman87@...> wrote:

Hubert,

Is there an available plastic or resin kit to put these on?

Thanks
Scott McDonald 


Re: Photo: FGEX 10883 (Circa 1948-1952)

Scott
 

There are side views of this car on Speedwitchs website in Ted's Kitbashing presentation in the download section.  Neat looking car.  Interesting feature is what appears to be a patch panel on the end.  I wonder if the end is recycled from an older boxcar that had one of those little end doors on it.

Scott McDonald 


Re: New Decal Available

Scott
 

Hubert,

Is there an available plastic or resin kit to put these on?

Thanks
Scott McDonald 


Great Northern boxcar background?

Scott
 

To our Great Northern experts here I was wondering if you have any background or history on this car featured in the slide?  It is an interesting looking car.  It appears to have the same roof as N&W cars Yarmouth did so was wondering if this is a second hand car.

Great Northern box car.

Thanks
Scott McDonald 


New Decal Available

hubert mask
 

Mask Island Decals Inc. pleased to announce 1 new decal steam era 1947 build.
Cotton Belt. 40’ combo door as delivered.
Please visit my web site at maskislanddecals.com.

Thank You
Mask Island Decals Inc.
Maskislanddecals.com

Hubert Mask


Re: Photo: FGEX 10883 (Circa 1948-1952)

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Oh how we miss Bill Welch and his FGE research.  I certainly hope those whom he entrusted his files to will complete the challenge and publish his opus.

 

We can begin to sift some things.  The series 10850 -10999 exists in ORER’s as early as 1938 and is stable at 140 cars through 1944 and then begins to diminish to 131 by 1953.  These are listed as all steel cars.  (there is a table of FGEX all steel reefers in Bill’s wood reefer article shared in several on-line historical/modeling magazines.

 

So, I would agree with Richard that the sides are three riveted panels that are also riveted to some vertical members.  With the three panel ends, I am drawn to some sort of rebuild situation, perhaps from boxcars and they intended to do 150 and only 140 were actually done.

 

There is more information out there to be found.

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Townsend via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 8:03 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: FGEX 10883 (Circa 1948-1952)

 

I'm going to stick with my original view. I enlarged the photo considerably and I see a line below each of the horizontal rivet rows that seems to be the bottom of the steel sheet. The vertical lines of rivets secure the side sheets to the internal framing structure of the car. On a riveted-side car these would be present regardless of the orientation of the side sheets. What I don't see are any vertical seams that would indicate seams between vertical side sheets.

Richard Townsend

Lincoln City, OR

 

-----Original Message-----
From: David Soderblom <david.soderblom@...>
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Sat, Jul 17, 2021 12:11 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: FGEX 10883 (Circa 1948-1952)

I don’t think those are horizontal sheets, just horizontal lines.  Note the vertical rows of rivets, and the lack of an edge horizontally that would be there if they were horizontal sheets.

 

 


David Soderblom

Baltimore MD

 

 


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Re: Photo: FGEX 10883 (Circa 1948-1952)

Richard Townsend
 

I'm going to stick with my original view. I enlarged the photo considerably and I see a line below each of the horizontal rivet rows that seems to be the bottom of the steel sheet. The vertical lines of rivets secure the side sheets to the internal framing structure of the car. On a riveted-side car these would be present regardless of the orientation of the side sheets. What I don't see are any vertical seams that would indicate seams between vertical side sheets.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: David Soderblom <david.soderblom@...>
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Sat, Jul 17, 2021 12:11 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: FGEX 10883 (Circa 1948-1952)

I don’t think those are horizontal sheets, just horizontal lines.  Note the vertical rows of rivets, and the lack of an edge horizontally that would be there if they were horizontal sheets.




David Soderblom
Baltimore MD




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Re: Photo: NYC Gondola 329127 (1920)

ROGER HINMAN
 

A nice early steel gondola built for the LS&MS in 1905 by PSC, their lot LS-86; renumbered c. 1916 in the NYC329xxx series

Roger Hinman

On Jul 17, 2021, at 11:40 AM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

Photo: NYC Gondola 329127 (1920)

Photo from the Milwaukee Public Library:

https://content.mpl.org/digital/collection/HstoricPho/id/4833/rec/30

Use arrows and scroll on photo to enlarge it.

Drop bottom design?

Partial view of Michigan Central gondola 7512 also.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA



Re: 1st with K4 decals

Bob Chapman
 

I agree that they are sometimes not as sharp, but on a weathered model I think they may look even a bit better than the hi-res ones.
 
Variety and thickness are plusses -- great to have K4 as an option.
 
Regards,
Bob Chapman
 
 


Re: Photo: FGEX 10883 (Circa 1948-1952)

David Soderblom
 

I don’t think those are horizontal sheets, just horizontal lines.  Note the vertical rows of rivets, and the lack of an edge horizontally that would be there if they were horizontal sheets.




David Soderblom
Baltimore MD




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Re: Photo: FGEX 10883 (Circa 1948-1952)

David Soderblom
 

The “board” looks to be welded at the bottom and isn’t wood (or maybe it was sufficient to rivet it at the top edge only).

Potato loading?




David Soderblom
Baltimore MD




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Re: Photo: Unidentified Gondola (1917)

Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
 


Hi List Members,
 
I forgot to add in, you can see this image in native resolution at the link below...
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 2:27 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Unidentified Gondola (1917)

Hi Bob and List Members,
 
I do note the letter "O" to the left of the road number. Also, the presence of the heap shield on the end construction made me think C&O.
 
So I looked a little more, and the car in your link bears a strong resemblance to the C&O gon at the link below...
 
 
Metadata at the link below...
 
 
There are some deltas, but there is certainly more similarity than difference.
 
So it might be reasonable to guess that the car in your link is C&O 13133
 
Claus Schlund
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 11:39 AM
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Unidentified Gondola (1917)

Photo: Unidentified Gondola (1917)

Photo from the Milwaukee Public Library:

https://content.mpl.org/digital/collection/HstoricPho/id/13031/rec/21

Use arrows and scroll on photo to enlarge it.

Description:    

“This photo shows the aftermath of an accident. A freight car has run through the fence at the Kinnickinnic Ave coal yard. Wooden poles have been knocked over as well.”

Car number is        13133.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: Great Northern Single Sheathed Boxcar (Undated)

Staffan Ehnbom
 

Judging by the possible hinges at the A end for the full end door this is a GN42900-42999 series car.

Staffan Ehnbom


Re: Photo: Unidentified Gondola (1917)

Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
 


Hi Bob and List Members,
 
I do note the letter "O" to the left of the road number. Also, the presence of the heap shield on the end construction made me think C&O.
 
So I looked a little more, and the car in your link bears a strong resemblance to the C&O gon at the link below...
 
 
Metadata at the link below...
 
 
There are some deltas, but there is certainly more similarity than difference.
 
So it might be reasonable to guess that the car in your link is C&O 13133
 
Claus Schlund
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 11:39 AM
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Unidentified Gondola (1917)

Photo: Unidentified Gondola (1917)

Photo from the Milwaukee Public Library:

https://content.mpl.org/digital/collection/HstoricPho/id/13031/rec/21

Use arrows and scroll on photo to enlarge it.

Description:    

“This photo shows the aftermath of an accident. A freight car has run through the fence at the Kinnickinnic Ave coal yard. Wooden poles have been knocked over as well.”

Car number is        13133.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: Unidentified Gondola (1917)

David
 

Car is C&O 13133, a gondola they picked up secondhand from River Coal Co. in 1909. The peaked ends are original, and quite uncommon for a car built in 1905.

David Thompson


Re: Photo: NYC Gondola 329127 (1920)

Benjamin Hom
 

Bob Chaparro wrote:
"Photo: NYC Gondola 329127 (1920)
Photo from the Milwaukee Public Library:
https://content.mpl.org/digital/collection/HstoricPho/id/4833/rec/30 

You previously posted this on March 3.


"Drop bottom design?"

Not exactly.  As I replied back on March 3, NYC 328000-329499, ex-LS&MS 51000-52499, Lot LS 86, 1,500 40 ft hopper bottom gons.
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/NYC-MODELS-FREIGHT2.htm   
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/lot-ls86.jpg  


"Partial view of Michigan Central gondola 7512 also."
MCRR 7500-7999, Lot 223-G, 500 35 ft 8 in wooden drop bottom gons in this series.  1,500 additional cars built for NYC&HR, LS&MS, and Big 4.
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/lot-223.jpg 
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/mcrr-7962.jpg  


Ben Hom


Re: Photo: NYC Gondola 329127 (1920)

Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
 


Hi Bob and List Members,
 
I have this image on my computer hard disk, along with some extra info. This makes me think we may have discussed this image before. Here is what I have...
 
NYC 329127 40ft gon series 328000-329499 ex LSMS 51000-52499 Lot LS86 1500 1920 Rex Chain Belt Company of Milwaukee WI
 
You can get to a native resolution version of this image with the link below. Altho the built-in online viewer will allow you to blow the image up further to have more pixels, it is really just pixilating and blurring the image more and not giving you anything new...
 
 
 
Claus Schlund
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 11:40 AM
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: NYC Gondola 329127 (1920)

Photo: NYC Gondola 329127 (1920)

Photo from the Milwaukee Public Library:

https://content.mpl.org/digital/collection/HstoricPho/id/4833/rec/30

Use arrows and scroll on photo to enlarge it.

Drop bottom design?

Partial view of Michigan Central gondola 7512 also.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: Great Northern Single Sheathed Boxcar (Undated)

Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
 


Hi Bob and List members,
 
GN had 50ft Howe truss design auto boxcars, and also had 50ft Pratt truss design auto boxcars. This is an example of the Pratt truss design
 
Claus Schlund
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 11:43 AM
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Great Northern Single Sheathed Boxcar (Undated)

Photo: Great Northern Single Sheathed Boxcar (Undated)

Photo from the Milwaukee Public Library:

https://content.mpl.org/digital/collection/MilwWaterwa/id/1026/rec/84

Use arrows and scroll on photo to enlarge it.

Description:    

“Great Northern railroad cars are being loaded aboard the car ferry GRAND RAPIDS (blt 1926) in Milwaukee.”

Related photo:

https://content.mpl.org/digital/collection/MilwWaterwa/id/1028/rec/86

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: FGEX 10883 (Circa 1948-1952)

Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
 


Hi Richard and List Members,
 
Also note the 5-5-4 ends. The three horizontal sheets appear to more or less line up with the end seams...
 
Claus Schlund
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 1:03 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: FGEX 10883 (Circa 1948-1952)

What caught my eye was the use of three horizontal sheets for the sides.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...>
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Sent: Sat, Jul 17, 2021 8:41 am
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: FGEX 10883 (Circa 1948-1952)

Photo: FGEX 10883 (Circa 1948-1952)
Photo from the Milwaukee Public Library:
Use arrows and scroll on photo to enlarge it.
What caught my eye about this photo was that the car’s initials and number were stenciled on a board instead of directly on the car end. Perhaps the end rib design made that necessary.
I saw this before on FGEX 10857.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA

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