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can anyone recommend a rail brown paint that I can brush onto the rail?

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
About a year back, I wanted to brush paint a short section of track (ties and rail both) on my layout a rail brown color. So I puchased one bottle each of Tru-Color TCP-822 FLAT RAILROAD TIE BROWN and TCP-830 FLAT RAIL BROWN.
 
I was not happy with the Tru-Color paint for multiple reasons, but the biggest is that, once fully cured, I found that the FLAT RAIL BROWN paint did not stick very well to the metal rails - if you breathe on it the wrong way the paint falls right off - argh!
 
So my question is - can anyone recommend a rail brown paint that I can brush onto the rail? And have it look good? And have it stick to the metal rail?
 
Naturally, steam era freight cars will be rolling on these rails...
 
I would be happy to read any and all recommendations (both what worked, and what didn't work)
 
Thanks in advance
 
Claus Schlund
 
 


Re: Rock Island Series 2300-23999 Photos

Nelson Moyer
 

Thanks, but I already purchased a set from another source.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Allan Smith
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2021 4:35 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Rock Island Series 2300-23999 Photos

 

URECO Brake wheel housing

 

Some time ago I purchased six sets of Detail Assoc. part BW 6403. I have one spare set, if you will contact me of list I will sell you the set.

 

 

Al Smith

Sonora CA

 

On Monday, July 19, 2021, 07:46:54 AM PDT, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

 

 


Nope. I don't know of a parts source for the URECO spoked hand brake wheels other
than the old Detail Associates set.




On 7/18/2021 6:47 PM, O Fenton Wells wrote:

Check Tangent they just released a bunch of new parts

Fenton 



On Jul 18, 2021, at 6:13 PM, Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:



I checked the online photo archives, and I can’t find a B end view showing the air pipe and hose bracket or a  right side view showing the relief valve rod and air reservoir. According to the information I have that series got URECO hand brakes. Now that Detail Associates is gone, does anyone know of a source for URECO brake housings and wheels?

 

Nelson Moyer

 


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Square corner boxcar group build

Tony Thompson
 


Guy Wilber wrote:

I would guess that they are referring to the AAR's Mechanical Division dropping the 1" bars (above and below) the reporting marks.  If so, the change became effective on March 1, 1957.      

This data is well documented. But there is an SP lettering drawing, with a note for the removal of the bars in late 1952, noted as “recommendation discontinued.” Both SP and PFE dropped the bars soon after. I confess I don’t know what that’s about.

Tony Thompson



Re: Rock Island Series 2300-23999 Photos

Allan Smith
 

URECO Brake wheel housing

Some time ago I purchased six sets of Detail Assoc. part BW 6403. I have one spare set, if you will contact me of list I will sell you the set.

Smithal9@...

Al Smith
Sonora CA

On Monday, July 19, 2021, 07:46:54 AM PDT, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



Nope. I don't know of a parts source for the URECO spoked hand brake wheels other
than the old Detail Associates set.




On 7/18/2021 6:47 PM, O Fenton Wells wrote:
Check Tangent they just released a bunch of new parts
Fenton 


On Jul 18, 2021, at 6:13 PM, Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:



I checked the online photo archives, and I can’t find a B end view showing the air pipe and hose bracket or a  right side view showing the relief valve rod and air reservoir. According to the information I have that series got URECO hand brakes. Now that Detail Associates is gone, does anyone know of a source for URECO brake housings and wheels?

 

Nelson Moyer



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Rebuilding Boxcars At Altoona

Norm Buckhart
 

yes - called a ‘buck’  The cars are the first all steel round roof PRR X31’s of the PRR design being built as new in 1935 with government stimulus money during the depression -  putting over 4,000 people to work.  The ‘round roof’ design was to meet Eastern tunnel clearances and still be able to fit Evan’s Auto loaders to hold 4 automobiles.  Eventually the PRR ended up with 12,000 round roof 40 and 50 ft boxcars and were closely copied by the DT&I, SAL, N&W and Virginian.  Norm Buckhart

On Jul 19, 2021, at 11:56 AM, Guy Wilber via groups.io <guycwilber@...> wrote:

Bob Chaparro wrote:

"Notice that the car roof section is stenciled “Owners Material”."

That is not a "roof section" it's a fixture used to assemble the roof from the panels spread on the floor.  The entire assembly is then lifted into place and riveted to the car structure by the workers standing on the scaffolds.   

Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada



Re: Square corner boxcar group build

Todd Horton
 

Guy, thanks for that information. I seem to recall reading about that somewhere but I couldn't remember when it went into effect.

Todd Horton


On Monday, July 19, 2021, 03:06:53 PM EDT, Guy Wilber via groups.io <guycwilber@...> wrote:


Todd wrote:

"The article mentions "modified AAR lettering guidelines". When did this take place?"

Todd,

I would guess that they are referring to the AAR's Mechanical Division dropping the 1" bars (above and below) the reporting marks.  If so, the change became effective on March 1, 1957.      

Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada 



Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Walthers Proto PRR X29b

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Tim;

 

I asked about it many times, but never saw any actual evidence.  I gave up asking after the Sunshine hybrid kit became available…

 

Elden Gatwood

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2021 10:55 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Walthers Proto PRR X29b

 

Elden

I vaguely recall seeing test shots from Dick, but maybe my memories are all mashed together... :-D
At least I'm pretty sure he -talked- about it.

Tim O'Connor


On 7/19/2021 9:09 AM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD wrote:

Tim;

 

I heard that for a number of years, but never saw any evidence it happened.  Given the undercuts on the side sill/u/f, I have doubts it was ever done, but I guess we will see.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2021 8:30 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Walthers Proto PRR X29b

 


Could these be ex-C&BT tooling ?? Didn't Dick Schweiger cut molds for one of the PRR X29 rebuilds ?

IMO $500+ has just got to be aimed at wealthy train set buyers. I read Marklin did very well in 2020 so
maybe that's what Walthers is thinking.

Tim O'Connor

 


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Square corner boxcar group build

Guy Wilber
 

Todd wrote:

"The article mentions "modified AAR lettering guidelines". When did this take place?"

Todd,

I would guess that they are referring to the AAR's Mechanical Division dropping the 1" bars (above and below) the reporting marks.  If so, the change became effective on March 1, 1957.      

Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada 


_._,_._,_


Re: Rebuilding Boxcars At Altoona

Guy Wilber
 

Bob Chaparro wrote:

"Notice that the car roof section is stenciled “Owners Material”."

That is not a "roof section" it's a fixture used to assemble the roof from the panels spread on the floor.  The entire assembly is then lifted into place and riveted to the car structure by the workers standing on the scaffolds.   

Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada


Rebuilding Boxcars At Altoona

Bob Chaparro
 

Rebuilding Boxcars At Altoona

Ray Breyer commented:

“The steel car industry was 'born" in France in the 1860s. In the United States, the first commercial, mass produced steel cars were from the Pressed Steel Car Company in 1898.”

Notice that the car roof section is stenciled “Owners Material”.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: MP 1942 Boxcars 10-6 32500-33299 Photo Help

Brian Carlson
 

Thanks Tim. 
Ed Hawkins pointed out I was wrong the NSC and sunshine kits are different series. The prototype cars were MP 34113-34262, StLB&M 17501-17600, and I-GN 17751-17825
I’ll use your photo as a guide for rout of eagles though. 
Brian J. Carlson 

On Jul 19, 2021, at 10:22 AM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



Eagles repaint 1954


On 7/18/2021 4:07 PM, Brian Carlson via groups.io wrote:
Thanks Ed. I’d would have probably numbered it wrong. 
I will be going a route of eagles repaint.  

Brian J. Carlson 

On Jul 18, 2021, at 4:05 PM, Ed Hawkins <hawk0621@...> wrote:



On Jul 18, 2021, at 2:01 PM, Brian Carlson via groups.io <prrk41361@...> wrote:

Way back in 2005 the Sunshine mini-kit for Naperville was for a MP 1942 era built boxcar. That was my first naperville and I started the kit around 2007 but never finished it.  It's been sitting on the workbench mostly done since 2008.  One issue was decals since I model 1956 but I have have that resolved.  My Covid promise was no more starts until the old ones were finished.  This guy is up next. 

The instructions have disappeared but that is ok. Can anyone help me find a few photos of these cars? When I started this car I just followed the directions. I didn't know better, and my first few resin cars were Westerfield.  You can just follow the instructions. Since then (14 years!) I have realized that I should have more materials. 

I think National Scale Car has a mini kit for the same cars now. The cars were in the 32500-33299 number series and constructed by ACF.

Brian Carlson 


Brian,
The 2005 Sunshine mini-kit was for different series of MoPac 40’ box cars built in 1942 in which the side sill door reinforcement extended from bolster to bolster, unlike the AAR model offered by InterMountain that is based on the more common design having separate side sill connections to the bolsters, crossties and crossbearers. The prototype cars were MP 34113-34262, StLB&M 17501-17600, and I-GN 17751-17825. The kit also includes doors with Union Duplex hardware.

Attached is a jpg scan of the information page included with the mini-kit. One comment I’ll offer is that MoPac’s box cars of this period were painted a red-brown shade (i.e., box car red) and not oxide red.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts
<ign_17627 40ft_SD_box series-17751-17825 fresh-paint shopdate 5-1954.jpg>


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Walthers Proto PRR X29b

Tim O'Connor
 

Elden

I vaguely recall seeing test shots from Dick, but maybe my memories are all mashed together... :-D
At least I'm pretty sure he -talked- about it.

Tim O'Connor


On 7/19/2021 9:09 AM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD wrote:

Tim;

 

I heard that for a number of years, but never saw any evidence it happened.  Given the undercuts on the side sill/u/f, I have doubts it was ever done, but I guess we will see.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2021 8:30 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Walthers Proto PRR X29b

 


Could these be ex-C&BT tooling ?? Didn't Dick Schweiger cut molds for one of the PRR X29 rebuilds ?

IMO $500+ has just got to be aimed at wealthy train set buyers. I read Marklin did very well in 2020 so
maybe that's what Walthers is thinking.

Tim O'Connor



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Rock Island Series 2300-23999 Photos

Tim O'Connor
 


Nope. I don't know of a parts source for the URECO spoked hand brake wheels other
than the old Detail Associates set.




On 7/18/2021 6:47 PM, O Fenton Wells wrote:
Check Tangent they just released a bunch of new parts
Fenton 


On Jul 18, 2021, at 6:13 PM, Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:



I checked the online photo archives, and I can’t find a B end view showing the air pipe and hose bracket or a  right side view showing the relief valve rod and air reservoir. According to the information I have that series got URECO hand brakes. Now that Detail Associates is gone, does anyone know of a source for URECO brake housings and wheels?

 

Nelson Moyer



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: MP 1942 Boxcars 10-6 32500-33299 Photo Help

Tim O'Connor
 


Eagles repaint 1954


On 7/18/2021 4:07 PM, Brian Carlson via groups.io wrote:
Thanks Ed. I’d would have probably numbered it wrong. 
I will be going a route of eagles repaint.  

Brian J. Carlson 

On Jul 18, 2021, at 4:05 PM, Ed Hawkins <hawk0621@...> wrote:



On Jul 18, 2021, at 2:01 PM, Brian Carlson via groups.io <prrk41361@...> wrote:

Way back in 2005 the Sunshine mini-kit for Naperville was for a MP 1942 era built boxcar. That was my first naperville and I started the kit around 2007 but never finished it.  It's been sitting on the workbench mostly done since 2008.  One issue was decals since I model 1956 but I have have that resolved.  My Covid promise was no more starts until the old ones were finished.  This guy is up next. 

The instructions have disappeared but that is ok. Can anyone help me find a few photos of these cars? When I started this car I just followed the directions. I didn't know better, and my first few resin cars were Westerfield.  You can just follow the instructions. Since then (14 years!) I have realized that I should have more materials. 

I think National Scale Car has a mini kit for the same cars now. The cars were in the 32500-33299 number series and constructed by ACF.

Brian Carlson 


Brian,
The 2005 Sunshine mini-kit was for different series of MoPac 40’ box cars built in 1942 in which the side sill door reinforcement extended from bolster to bolster, unlike the AAR model offered by InterMountain that is based on the more common design having separate side sill connections to the bolsters, crossties and crossbearers. The prototype cars were MP 34113-34262, StLB&M 17501-17600, and I-GN 17751-17825. The kit also includes doors with Union Duplex hardware.

Attached is a jpg scan of the information page included with the mini-kit. One comment I’ll offer is that MoPac’s box cars of this period were painted a red-brown shade (i.e., box car red) and not oxide red.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: MP 1942 Boxcars 10-6 32500-33299 Photo Help

Tim O'Connor
 

On 7/18/2021 3:01 PM, Brian Carlson via groups.io wrote:

Way back in 2005 the Sunshine mini-kit for Naperville was for a MP 1942 era built boxcar. That was my first naperville and I started the kit around 2007 but never finished it.  It's been sitting on the workbench mostly done since 2008.  One issue was decals since I model 1956 but I have have that resolved.  My Covid promise was no more starts until the old ones were finished.  This guy is up next.

The instructions have disappeared but that is ok. Can anyone help me find a few photos of these cars? When I started this car I just followed the directions. I didn't know better, and my first few resin cars were Westerfield.  You can just follow the instructions. Since then (14 years!) I have realized that I should have more materials. 

I think National Scale Car has a mini kit for the same cars now. The cars were in the 32500-33299 number series and constructed by ACF.

Brian Carlson 
Cheektowaga NY



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Photo: MILW Flat Car With Bridge Girder

Tim O'Connor
 


I think the number of the flat car in that photo may be MILW 63153, a 45 foot flat car.



On 7/18/2021 12:23 PM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io wrote:

Photo: MILW Flat Car With Bridge Girder

Photo from the Milwaukee Public Library:

https://content.mpl.org/digital/collection/HstoricPho/id/3569/rec/74

Use arrows and scroll on photo to enlarge it.

Description:    

“Wisconsin Bridge & Iron shipping yard. Rail flat cars seen loaded with bridge sections. Wooden ties visible on ground in staging area. Brick factory seen behind rail cars.”

Another view, but poor quality:

https://content.mpl.org/digital/collection/HstoricPho/id/3544/rec/67

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: PFE R-40-23 sidesill reinforcements

Tim O'Connor
 

Richard

It was not a universal change, but here is the best example I have seen. Also, if it was
done in the 1950's, I have not seen any photos that show it.

Tim O'Connor



On 7/18/2021 11:55 AM, Richard Townsend via groups.io wrote:
Tony's PFE book tells us that in the 1950s PFE added sidesill reinforcements to R-40-23, R-40-20, and other steel reefers. I would like to know the dimensions of those reinforcements, particularly their depth.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Walthers Proto PRR X29b

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Tim;

 

I heard that for a number of years, but never saw any evidence it happened.  Given the undercuts on the side sill/u/f, I have doubts it was ever done, but I guess we will see.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2021 8:30 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Walthers Proto PRR X29b

 


Could these be ex-C&BT tooling ?? Didn't Dick Schweiger cut molds for one of the PRR X29 rebuilds ?

IMO $500+ has just got to be aimed at wealthy train set buyers. I read Marklin did very well in 2020 so
maybe that's what Walthers is thinking.

Tim O'Connor


On 7/15/2021 10:46 AM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD wrote:

Group;

 

No one on the PRRT&HS Modeling Committee worked with Walthers on these projects, as far as I can determine.  Given the unique features of the X29B, we will just have to see the actual products.

 

Elden Gatwood

PRRT&HS Modeling Committee, Chair

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Carlson via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2021 8:42 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Walthers Proto PRR X29b

 

We’ve been discussing these and the other PRR new releases on the PRR groups.Io page. 

Consensus is be skeptical until you see a model. 

 

Also, the Pennsy merchandise service cars did Not run in dedicated trains like this so it’s a weird marketing strategy. 

Brian J. Carlson 




On Jul 15, 2021, at 8:26 AM, Brian LaManna <brianlamanna@...> wrote:

List,

 

Walthers announced an X29b in their Proto line but no model pictures have been included.  They’re currently only offered for preorder in large sets.  

 

 

Brian LaManna/Moncton, NB

 


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Walthers Proto PRR X29b

Tim O'Connor
 


Could these be ex-C&BT tooling ?? Didn't
Dick Schweiger cut molds for one of the PRR X29 rebuilds ?

IMO $500+ has just got to be aimed at wealthy train set buyers. I read Marklin did very well in 2020 so
maybe that's what Walthers is thinking.

Tim O'Connor


On 7/15/2021 10:46 AM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD wrote:

Group;

 

No one on the PRRT&HS Modeling Committee worked with Walthers on these projects, as far as I can determine.  Given the unique features of the X29B, we will just have to see the actual products.

 

Elden Gatwood

PRRT&HS Modeling Committee, Chair

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Carlson via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2021 8:42 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Walthers Proto PRR X29b

 

We’ve been discussing these and the other PRR new releases on the PRR groups.Io page. 

Consensus is be skeptical until you see a model. 

 

Also, the Pennsy merchandise service cars did Not run in dedicated trains like this so it’s a weird marketing strategy. 

Brian J. Carlson 



On Jul 15, 2021, at 8:26 AM, Brian LaManna <brianlamanna@...> wrote:

List,

 

Walthers announced an X29b in their Proto line but no model pictures have been included.  They’re currently only offered for preorder in large sets.  

 

 

Brian LaManna/Moncton, NB



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Rock Island Series 2300-23999 Photos

 

 

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Sunday, July 18, 2021 at 7:26 PM
To: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Rock Island Series 2300-23999 Photos

 

Thanks, Al. I have RP CYC 21, so that helps. The bleed rods are shown in RP CYC 29 for the 24000 series, so I’ll go with that.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of al_brown03
Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2021 7:03 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Rock Island Series 2300-23999 Photos

 

In RP CYC 21, p 60, there's a B-end photo of RI 23844. It's a little dark underneath, but it may help.

In Maywald's "Classic Freight Cars", vol 7, p 20, there's a right-side photo of RI 23228, which shows the reservoir and I "think" the bleed rod.

Hth,

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

 

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