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Re: Wabash 88200-88699 Series Photos

Nelson Moyer
 

Thanks for the photo and information, Ed. Looking at the end, I think the ladder has 16 inch rungs, and I would guess the side ladders had 18 in. rungs. Can you confirm that?

 

I have the Wabash in Color book, but no the color guide. Hopefully someone will provide color photos and a side view in either B&W or color.

 

Nelson Moyer

 


Re: InterMountain HO Scale Two-Bay Hoppers (Re-Release)-now Why Aren't There Production Kits?

Gerald Henriksen
 

On Sun, 25 Jul 2021 15:20:46 -0700, you wrote:

Charlie Vlk wrote:

If somebody wanted to go through the hassle of setting up a full-blown factory here in the US, talk to Accurail, Bowser, Con-Cor, Atlas, Inter-Mountain, or any other of the companies that eventually had to partially or completely give in to overseas production or assembly.
Or maybe you would want to talk to Kadee instead. C’mon, Charlie.
Don't think customers would be happy to limit themselves to the small
number of models that Kadee has found it profitable to make.

Or take Bowser, who per their recent video still appear to do the
tooling and injection in the US - but spend years tooling up 1 new
model.

We want more variety than that, and more complicated models, and that
means China or the next low cost jurisdiction.


Re: Wabash 88200-88699 Series Photos

Ed Hawkins
 



On Jul 26, 2021, at 1:51 PM, Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:

I pulled out the YMW Wabash 88200 series kit from the stash, and realized that the only color photo I have is the blurry photo of 88803 in a train. I can’t see the roof and underframe, so I don’t know the paint color. It appears that the truck side frames were black. These cars were built by ACF in 1948, so what was the Wabash paint practice at that time? I’d appreciate any color photos of these cars, especially showing B end details and location of the relief valve bleed rod.

Nelson,
WAB 88200-88699 was built by ACF in lot 3226. Paint specs from the ACF bill of materials:

Pittsburgh (first 167)/P.D. George Co. (next 167)/Sherwin-Williams (last 166) - Wabash #10 Red - sides, ends, trucks; black car cement - roof, underframe; black paint - AB brake parts; white - stencils.

This particular lot did not contain a paint sample, nor did any other Wabash orders of ACF box cars. It’s redder than “box car red” but is unlike “red oxide.” The Morning Sun Books Wabash / NKP / DT&I Color Guide has several photos that illustrate the color better than I can try to describe in words. 

Attached is the ACF B end builder photo, which is horribly back-lit. I worked on it in Photoshop, and it can be further adjusted to suit. Hopefully it’s sufficient to configure the end on your model & the end stencils. 
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: Why Aren't There Production Kits?

Tim O'Connor
 


There's probably a price (cost) threshold that will bring manufacturing back closer to the consumer.

New 'super quality' freight cars are almost all pushing $50 or more (some are MUCH more). And lots
of old junk models are selling just below that 'price umbrella' that gives them cover for asking $30 for
a product that has 10 parts assembled in two minutes from tooling that is 50+ years old in some cases.
The "Athearn Blue Box" group on Facebook represents a lot of people who love model trains but do
not want to spend a lot of money on them.

But other than Kadee (genius level design & manufacturing) I don't think those 'super quality' models are
going to be built here in our lifetimes, unless we build them. :-)

Tim O'Connor



On 7/26/2021 1:07 PM, Charlie Vlk wrote:
Tony-
Kadee and Micro-Trains are legacy Made in the U.S.A. businesses and God bless them for being able to keep them prospering.   They were fortunate to be in places and circumstances outside of the currents that swept away the others I mentioned and more.
It isn’t just the cost of labor that has driven companies to China.   Simply, the creation of turnkey manufacturing centers has removed most of the myriad of roadblocks to creating product....in many aspects.  It has allowed individuals to visualize and import world-class products which would not be possible to initiate here from scratch.
Somebody could invest their money in a new startup or even buy an existing company to prove that they can make kits here proving Atlas, Athearn, Con-Cor, Model Die Casting, and others were wrong.
Charlie Vlk

On Jul 25, 2021, at 5:20 PM, Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:
Or maybe you would want to talk to Kadee instead. _


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: St. Louis Refrigerator Car Co. models

 

OOPS! Should have read the original posts better. My bad.

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Monday, July 26, 2021 at 2:19 PM
To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] St. Louis Refrigerator Car Co. models

 


I should have checked my hard drive more carefully... I did have an image of an SLRX reefer. :-[

Tim O'Connor



On 7/26/2021 10:49 AM, Ed Hawkins wrote:

 



On Jul 26, 2021, at 7:54 AM, Lester Breuer <rforailroad@...> wrote:

 

From an estate being disposed of at a local flea market I purchased the Reefer of which photo is attached.
With hatches the number is incorrect as it should be numbered in the class RS series. 
A correct class RB , no ice bunkers, a Sunshine Models kit is shown on Tony Thompson’s blog.  After an internet search
I could not find any model of the St. Louis Reefer numbered correctly in the RS series.  All manufacture models I found had a class RB number 
on a CAR WITH HATCHES.  Wondering if I missed finding a correct lettered St. Louis Reefer model with a number in the RS series?
Lester Breuer

 

Lester,

The only St. Louis Refrigerator Car RS reefers that I’m aware of were SLRX 10000-10399, built in 1922 by MDT with a lease arrangement from late 1949 to 1954. The Roger Hinman class number is “M4.” 

 

In 1/50 & 1/51, the ORER listed 200 cars; 4/51 & 1/52 listed 400 cars; 1/53 listed 365 cars; 1/54 listed 57 cars; by 10/54 zero cars. 

 

Arnold Menke offers photos of 10086 & 10360 photographed 4/50 & 3/51, respectively. 

Regards,

Ed Hawkins

 


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: St. Louis Refrigerator Car Co. models

 

Is that an actual reefer (with ice bunkers) or just a plug door bunkerless insulated box car? I see no evidence of hatches on these cars with plug doors, and I have many more similar photos. Even the ancient 6114 is bunkerless.

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Monday, July 26, 2021 at 2:19 PM
To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] St. Louis Refrigerator Car Co. models

 


I should have checked my hard drive more carefully... I did have an image of an SLRX reefer. :-[

Tim O'Connor



On 7/26/2021 10:49 AM, Ed Hawkins wrote:

 



On Jul 26, 2021, at 7:54 AM, Lester Breuer <rforailroad@...> wrote:

 

From an estate being disposed of at a local flea market I purchased the Reefer of which photo is attached.
With hatches the number is incorrect as it should be numbered in the class RS series. 
A correct class RB , no ice bunkers, a Sunshine Models kit is shown on Tony Thompson’s blog.  After an internet search
I could not find any model of the St. Louis Reefer numbered correctly in the RS series.  All manufacture models I found had a class RB number 
on a CAR WITH HATCHES.  Wondering if I missed finding a correct lettered St. Louis Reefer model with a number in the RS series?
Lester Breuer

 

Lester,

The only St. Louis Refrigerator Car RS reefers that I’m aware of were SLRX 10000-10399, built in 1922 by MDT with a lease arrangement from late 1949 to 1954. The Roger Hinman class number is “M4.” 

 

In 1/50 & 1/51, the ORER listed 200 cars; 4/51 & 1/52 listed 400 cars; 1/53 listed 365 cars; 1/54 listed 57 cars; by 10/54 zero cars. 

 

Arnold Menke offers photos of 10086 & 10360 photographed 4/50 & 3/51, respectively. 

Regards,

Ed Hawkins

 


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: St. Louis Refrigerator Car Co. models

Tim O'Connor
 


I should have checked my hard drive more carefully... I did have an image of an SLRX reefer. :-[

Tim O'Connor



On 7/26/2021 10:49 AM, Ed Hawkins wrote:


On Jul 26, 2021, at 7:54 AM, Lester Breuer <rforailroad@...> wrote:

From an estate being disposed of at a local flea market I purchased the Reefer of which photo is attached.
With hatches the number is incorrect as it should be numbered in the class RS series. 
A correct class RB , no ice bunkers, a Sunshine Models kit is shown on Tony Thompson’s blog.  After an internet search
I could not find any model of the St. Louis Reefer numbered correctly in the RS series.  All manufacture models I found had a class RB number 
on a CAR WITH HATCHES.  Wondering if I missed finding a correct lettered St. Louis Reefer model with a number in the RS series?
Lester Breuer

Lester,
The only St. Louis Refrigerator Car RS reefers that I’m aware of were SLRX 10000-10399, built in 1922 by MDT with a lease arrangement from late 1949 to 1954. The Roger Hinman class number is “M4.” 

In 1/50 & 1/51, the ORER listed 200 cars; 4/51 & 1/52 listed 400 cars; 1/53 listed 365 cars; 1/54 listed 57 cars; by 10/54 zero cars. 

Arnold Menke offers photos of 10086 & 10360 photographed 4/50 & 3/51, respectively. 
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: InterMountain HO Scale Two-Bay Hoppers (Re-Release)-now Why Aren't There Production Kits?

Tim O'Connor
 

Dennis

I'm sure it helps that your model tooling is so good! And I think I've used about 30 of your freight
car underframes. Long live Accurail! :-D

Tim O'Connor


On 7/26/2021 2:53 PM, Dennis Storzek wrote:
On Mon, Jul 26, 2021 at 06:56 AM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
Have Accurail and Bowser out-sourced their injection molding too?
As far as Accurail is concerned, all our molding is still right here in Elburn, IL, USA. We did send some assembly work to China in the first decade of this century (anyone remember Accuready?) but stopped with the economic downturn that caused several firms to lose partially completed product as contractors closed and simply disappeared. We never re-started the assembly program... I got tired of hearing "Send tools, all problems solved!" as the answer to any and all complaints. That would have been the end of the kit line.

Dennis Storzek

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: InterMountain HO Scale Two-Bay Hoppers (Re-Release)-now Why Aren't There Production Kits?

 

Congratulations for staying the course.

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Monday, July 26, 2021 at 1:53 PM
To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] InterMountain HO Scale Two-Bay Hoppers (Re-Release)-now Why Aren't There Production Kits?

 

On Mon, Jul 26, 2021 at 06:56 AM, Tim O'Connor wrote:

Have Accurail and Bowser out-sourced their injection molding too?

As far as Accurail is concerned, all our molding is still right here in Elburn, IL, USA. We did send some assembly work to China in the first decade of this century (anyone remember Accuready?) but stopped with the economic downturn that caused several firms to lose partially completed product as contractors closed and simply disappeared. We never re-started the assembly program... I got tired of hearing "Send tools, all problems solved!" as the answer to any and all complaints. That would have been the end of the kit line.

Dennis Storzek


Re: InterMountain HO Scale Two-Bay Hoppers (Re-Release)-now Why Aren't There Production Kits?

Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...>
 

On Mon, Jul 26, 2021 at 06:56 AM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
Have Accurail and Bowser out-sourced their injection molding too?
As far as Accurail is concerned, all our molding is still right here in Elburn, IL, USA. We did send some assembly work to China in the first decade of this century (anyone remember Accuready?) but stopped with the economic downturn that caused several firms to lose partially completed product as contractors closed and simply disappeared. We never re-started the assembly program... I got tired of hearing "Send tools, all problems solved!" as the answer to any and all complaints. That would have been the end of the kit line.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Why Aren't There Production Kits?

Tony Thompson
 

Charlie Vlk wrote:

Kadee and Micro-Trains are legacy Made in the U.S.A. businesses and God bless them for being able to keep them prospering.   They were fortunate to be in places and circumstances outside of the currents that swept away the others I mentioned and more.

Gee, all this time I thought your list (Atlas, Athearn, Con-Cor, etc.) were legacies too.

Tony Thompson




Wabash 88200-88699 Series Photos

Nelson Moyer
 

I pulled out the YMW Wabash 88200 series kit from the stash, and realized that the only color photo I have is the blurry photo of 88803 in a train. I can’t see the roof and underframe, so I don’t know the paint color. It appears that the truck side frames were black. These cars were built by ACF in 1948, so what was the Wabash paint practice at that time? I’d appreciate any color photos of these cars, especially showing B end details and location of the relief valve bleed rod.

 

Nelson Moyer


St. Louis RPM stuff

Eric Mumper
 

Group,

I plan on attending the St. Louis RPM this weekend and am really looking forward to it.  There are a couple of things I would like to offer to the group since this will be in person.

First, I bought the bag of twenty knobs to use on the UMM-USA elbow bender as recommended by Lester Breuer.  If you want some I will sell them for $1 per pair at the show.

Second, in my pursuit of covered hopper modeling I am developing a laser cut wood running board specifically modeled on the C&O version.  If this interests you email me or find me at the show.  This will not end up being a commercial model and is meant to only fit the Intermountain 1958 cuft covered hopper.

Eric Mumper
eric dot mumper at gmail dot com


Re: Photos: Warning Placards On PFE Reefers (1934)

 

The second link is for PFE 15568.

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of "Bob Chaparro via groups.io" <chiefbobbb@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Monday, July 26, 2021 at 12:42 PM
To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photos: Warning Placards On PFE Reefers (1934)

 

Photos: Warning Placards On PFE Reefers (1934)

Photos from the Denver Public Library:

https://digital.denverlibrary.org/digital/collection/p15330coll22/id/67506/rec/208

https://digital.denverlibrary.org/digital/collection/p15330coll22/id/67508/rec/212

Use the arrows in the upper right-hand corner of the photo to enlarge it and scroll to enlarge it further.

The warning placard probably indicates either the car has been fumigated or that there is a danger from charcoal heater fumes.

This appears to be PFE 7484, a Class R-30-5 reefer. (Series 7101-10121). At 3,021 cars this was a very large class of ice bunker refrigerator cars.

This class was built by Pullman in 1909-1911 and reconditioned in1920-1925.

The R-30-5 cars originally had Bohn Standard Ventilator hoods but as seen in the photo, these have been removed.

At the time of this photo there were 2,135 cars remaining. By 1940 only 66 were left with one surviving to 1947.

And here is a Western Pacific car with a warning placard:

https://digital.denverlibrary.org/digital/collection/p15330coll22/id/67509/rec/216

This car mostly likely was built to an R-30-13 design. The WP cars were in series 50001-52775, built by AC&F in 1923-24.

2,599 of the original 2,775 cars were in service in 1947, 916 in 1950 and none in 1958.

Bob Chaparro

Moderator

Railroad Citrus Industry Modeling Group

https://groups.io/g/RailroadCitrusIndustryModelingGroup


Re: InterMountain HO Scale Two-Bay Hoppers (Re-Release)-now Why Aren't There Production Kits?

 

True!

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Jim and Barbara van Gaasbeek <jvgbvg@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Monday, July 26, 2021 at 12:44 PM
To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] InterMountain HO Scale Two-Bay Hoppers (Re-Release)-now Why Aren't There Production Kits?

 

Yes, but I can just see an American mold owner trying to get their molds back from a Chinese factory, especially in our current political conditions.  Lots of lawyers and lots of years, with the Chinese factory refusing to produce anything.

 

Jim

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of BRIAN PAUL EHNI
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2021 10:03 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] InterMountain HO Scale Two-Bay Hoppers (Re-Release)-now Why Aren't There Production Kits?

 

Depends on who owns the molds, though.

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Jim and Barbara van Gaasbeek <jvgbvg@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Monday, July 26, 2021 at 11:45 AM
To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] InterMountain HO Scale Two-Bay Hoppers (Re-Release)-now Why Aren't There Production Kits?

 

But the molds and other tooling for existing models are in China.  May be hard to move that production.

 

Jim van Gaasbeek

Irvine, CA

 

(BTW, and completely OT, it is raining here, in July!)

 

 

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve SANDIFER
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2021 9:07 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] InterMountain HO Scale Two-Bay Hoppers (Re-Release)-now Why Aren't There Production Kits?

 

I do know that Vietnam is involved in production for some manufacturers. I think some are looking elsewhere due to the political situation with China.

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2021 8:56 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] InterMountain HO Scale Two-Bay Hoppers (Re-Release)-now Why Aren't There Production Kits?

 


Being an importer means all you need is money. No factory, employees, regulations, etc to worry about.
China is incredibly successful because they offer "one stop shopping" from design to production, and this
has been a boon to low-headcount importers who can simply focus on high value design and art and sales.
When most of us were much younger this is how brass models were made. Same strategy, new materials
now.

Have Accurail and Bowser out-sourced their injection molding too? I recall that some places have tried
other countries besides China - Atlas and Walthers come to mind - Brazil perhaps? And I think I read that
Moloco has tried Vietnam.

Kadee is the amazing exception. But it ain't easy - just ask Sam Clarke. :-\

Tim O'Connor


On 7/25/2021 6:20 PM, Tony Thompson wrote:

Charlie Vlk wrote:

 

If somebody wanted to go through the hassle of setting up a full-blown factory here in the US, talk to Accurail, Bowser, Con-Cor, Atlas, Inter-Mountain, or any other of the companies that eventually had to partially or completely give in to overseas production or assembly.   

 

Or maybe you would want to talk to Kadee instead. C’mon, Charlie. 

 

Tony Thompson

 


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: InterMountain HO Scale Two-Bay Hoppers (Re-Release)-now Why Aren't There Production Kits?

Jim and Barbara van Gaasbeek
 

Yes, but I can just see an American mold owner trying to get their molds back from a Chinese factory, especially in our current political conditions.  Lots of lawyers and lots of years, with the Chinese factory refusing to produce anything.

 

Jim

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of BRIAN PAUL EHNI
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2021 10:03 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] InterMountain HO Scale Two-Bay Hoppers (Re-Release)-now Why Aren't There Production Kits?

 

Depends on who owns the molds, though.

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Jim and Barbara van Gaasbeek <jvgbvg@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Monday, July 26, 2021 at 11:45 AM
To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] InterMountain HO Scale Two-Bay Hoppers (Re-Release)-now Why Aren't There Production Kits?

 

But the molds and other tooling for existing models are in China.  May be hard to move that production.

 

Jim van Gaasbeek

Irvine, CA

 

(BTW, and completely OT, it is raining here, in July!)

 

 

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve SANDIFER
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2021 9:07 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] InterMountain HO Scale Two-Bay Hoppers (Re-Release)-now Why Aren't There Production Kits?

 

I do know that Vietnam is involved in production for some manufacturers. I think some are looking elsewhere due to the political situation with China.

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2021 8:56 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] InterMountain HO Scale Two-Bay Hoppers (Re-Release)-now Why Aren't There Production Kits?

 


Being an importer means all you need is money. No factory, employees, regulations, etc to worry about.
China is incredibly successful because they offer "one stop shopping" from design to production, and this
has been a boon to low-headcount importers who can simply focus on high value design and art and sales.
When most of us were much younger this is how brass models were made. Same strategy, new materials
now.

Have Accurail and Bowser out-sourced their injection molding too? I recall that some places have tried
other countries besides China - Atlas and Walthers come to mind - Brazil perhaps? And I think I read that
Moloco has tried Vietnam.

Kadee is the amazing exception. But it ain't easy - just ask Sam Clarke. :-\

Tim O'Connor


On 7/25/2021 6:20 PM, Tony Thompson wrote:

Charlie Vlk wrote:

 

If somebody wanted to go through the hassle of setting up a full-blown factory here in the US, talk to Accurail, Bowser, Con-Cor, Atlas, Inter-Mountain, or any other of the companies that eventually had to partially or completely give in to overseas production or assembly.   

 

Or maybe you would want to talk to Kadee instead. C’mon, Charlie. 

 

Tony Thompson

 


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Photos: Warning Placards On PFE Reefers (1934)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photos: Warning Placards On PFE Reefers (1934)

Photos from the Denver Public Library:

https://digital.denverlibrary.org/digital/collection/p15330coll22/id/67506/rec/208

https://digital.denverlibrary.org/digital/collection/p15330coll22/id/67508/rec/212

Use the arrows in the upper right-hand corner of the photo to enlarge it and scroll to enlarge it further.

The warning placard probably indicates either the car has been fumigated or that there is a danger from charcoal heater fumes.

This appears to be PFE 7484, a Class R-30-5 reefer. (Series 7101-10121). At 3,021 cars this was a very large class of ice bunker refrigerator cars.

This class was built by Pullman in 1909-1911 and reconditioned in1920-1925.

The R-30-5 cars originally had Bohn Standard Ventilator hoods but as seen in the photo, these have been removed.

At the time of this photo there were 2,135 cars remaining. By 1940 only 66 were left with one surviving to 1947.

And here is a Western Pacific car with a warning placard:

https://digital.denverlibrary.org/digital/collection/p15330coll22/id/67509/rec/216

This car mostly likely was built to an R-30-13 design. The WP cars were in series 50001-52775, built by AC&F in 1923-24.

2,599 of the original 2,775 cars were in service in 1947, 916 in 1950 and none in 1958.

Bob Chaparro

Moderator

Railroad Citrus Industry Modeling Group

https://groups.io/g/RailroadCitrusIndustryModelingGroup


Re: St. Louis Refrigerator Car Co. models

Edward
 

Having hatches on an insulated car does not necessarily mean it's a refrigerator car.
Insulated / ventilated box cars of the 1920's to 30's looked like refrigerator cars but were not.
They sometimes had the word "Ventilator" on them  because of their similarity to a refrigerator car.
Also, they looked different from the A.A.R. Cass V non-insulated ventilator box cars (think ACL's 'watermelon' car).
So what might be the  A.A.R. class for them?

Ed Bommer


Re: InterMountain HO Scale Two-Bay Hoppers (Re-Release)-now Why Aren't There Production Kits?

Chris Sawicki
 

Having worked on transferring US manufacturing to China (against my wishes), ownership of the injection molds does not guarantee you can reclaim and transfer back out of the country. China, in general can make it difficult or impossible with regulations, fees, customs and other barriers. China is very friendly and cooperative when they see an ongoing business relationship. But can be destructive otherwise. And they do not maintain your owned tooling to maximize its life. 

In many business cases the only way to reshore back to the US is to start over, build new tooling. Having design and manufacturing process knowledge is just as important. The hobby, toy, electronics industries in the US probably got hit harder than most and with that the US lost a lot of small job shops, toolmakers, injection molders-our manufacturing infrastructure.

Chris Sawicki

On Monday, July 26, 2021, 12:03:24 PM CDT, BRIAN PAUL EHNI <bpehni@...> wrote:


Depends on who owns the molds, though.

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Jim and Barbara van Gaasbeek <jvgbvg@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Monday, July 26, 2021 at 11:45 AM
To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] InterMountain HO Scale Two-Bay Hoppers (Re-Release)-now Why Aren't There Production Kits?

 

But the molds and other tooling for existing models are in China.  May be hard to move that production.

 

Jim van Gaasbeek

Irvine, CA

 

(BTW, and completely OT, it is raining here, in July!)

 

 

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve SANDIFER
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2021 9:07 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] InterMountain HO Scale Two-Bay Hoppers (Re-Release)-now Why Aren't There Production Kits?

 

I do know that Vietnam is involved in production for some manufacturers. I think some are looking elsewhere due to the political situation with China.

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2021 8:56 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] InterMountain HO Scale Two-Bay Hoppers (Re-Release)-now Why Aren't There Production Kits?

 


Being an importer means all you need is money. No factory, employees, regulations, etc to worry about.
China is incredibly successful because they offer "one stop shopping" from design to production, and this
has been a boon to low-headcount importers who can simply focus on high value design and art and sales.
When most of us were much younger this is how brass models were made. Same strategy, new materials
now.

Have Accurail and Bowser out-sourced their injection molding too? I recall that some places have tried
other countries besides China - Atlas and Walthers come to mind - Brazil perhaps? And I think I read that
Moloco has tried Vietnam.

Kadee is the amazing exception. But it ain't easy - just ask Sam Clarke. :-\

Tim O'Connor


On 7/25/2021 6:20 PM, Tony Thompson wrote:

Charlie Vlk wrote:

 

If somebody wanted to go through the hassle of setting up a full-blown factory here in the US, talk to Accurail, Bowser, Con-Cor, Atlas, Inter-Mountain, or any other of the companies that eventually had to partially or completely give in to overseas production or assembly.   

 

Or maybe you would want to talk to Kadee instead. C’mon, Charlie. 

 

Tony Thompson

 


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Why Aren't There Production Kits?

Charlie Vlk
 

Tony-
Kadee and Micro-Trains are legacy Made in the U.S.A. businesses and God bless them for being able to keep them prospering.   They were fortunate to be in places and circumstances outside of the currents that swept away the others I mentioned and more.
It isn’t just the cost of labor that has driven companies to China.   Simply, the creation of turnkey manufacturing centers has removed most of the myriad of roadblocks to creating product....in many aspects.  It has allowed individuals to visualize and import world-class products which would not be possible to initiate here from scratch.
Somebody could invest their money in a new startup or even buy an existing company to prove that they can make kits here proving Atlas, Athearn, Con-Cor, Model Die Casting, and others were wrong.
Charlie Vlk

On Jul 25, 2021, at 5:20 PM, Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:
Or maybe you would want to talk to Kadee instead. _

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