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Car Cement on Roofs

Nelson Moyer
 

I have several questions about use of car cement on freight car roofs. Was it applied directly to galvanized roofs or were roofs painted before application of car cement? Were running boards and latitudinals unpainted, painted, or covered with car cement? Are there railroad specific variations on the theme?

 

The car under construction is a WAB 88200 series boxcar. Ed Hawkins posted the paint specs., but they are silent about running boards, and I don’t know anything about the Wabash.

 

Nelson Moyer


Re: URTX/Milwaukee Road Reefer General Arrangement Drawings

 

I do have many photos of these cars, however, including a larger version of what Tim posted (89078).

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 


Re: URTX/Milwaukee Road Reefer General Arrangement Drawings

 

Looked thru my MILW photos and found I did not take a photo of what I thought I had. There was an old express box in Austin, MN, that day, but I only got one end of it.

 

And my model is an NJI 50’ rib side painted in orange, maroon, and black as an express car.

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of "BRIAN PAUL EHNI via groups.io" <bpehni@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Saturday, July 31, 2021 at 9:19 PM
To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] URTX/Milwaukee Road Reefer General Arrangement Drawings

 

Now that I think on it, I may even have a photo of the prototype taken in Austin MN back in 1977 or so.

 

 

Thanks!

Brian Ehni

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From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of "BRIAN PAUL EHNI via groups.io" <bpehni@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Saturday, July 31, 2021 at 9:17 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] URTX/Milwaukee Road Reefer General Arrangement Drawings

 

Late to the discussion, but I believe I have one of the MILW 50’ brass cars in HO. I can photograph it when I get home from Collinsville.

 

 

Thanks!

Brian Ehni

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From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of "Richard Townsend via groups.io" <richtownsend@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Saturday, July 31, 2021 at 8:55 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] URTX/Milwaukee Road Reefer General Arrangement Drawings

 

I don't know of any on line, but here are a couple. SRLX 14991 is from my collection, and SRLX 14994 is from the 1943 CBC.

Richard Townsend

Lincoln City, OR

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Scott <repairman87@...>
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Sent: Sat, Jul 31, 2021 6:05 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] URTX/Milwaukee Road Reefer General Arrangement Drawings

On Sat, Jul 31, 2021 at 05:17 PM, Richard Townsend wrote:

The Swift cars were built in 1934.

Richard Townsend

Lincoln City, 

Richard do you know of any photos of the Swift cars that are online?

Thanks
Scott McDonald 


Re: OIL DISTRIBUTOR LOGO

Doug Paasch
 

Tony,
I'd sure like a copy too please.  I'll be running Flying A tank cars from the Associated Oil dock in Seattle on my currently under construction layout.

Doug Paasch


On Sun, Aug 1, 2021, 12:06 PM Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:
I have a good one, Bill, but am away from home this weekend.
Tony Thompson 


On Aug 1, 2021, at 10:46 AM, WILLIAM PARDIE <PARDIEW001@...> wrote:


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Does anyone have a clear photo or drawing of the Flying A logo on the end of the tank in this photo?  I am in particular looking for the lettering below the FLYINBG A.

Thaks for any help:

Bill Pardie


Re: OIL DISTRIBUTOR LOGO

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

Thanks Tony:

Bill



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


-------- Original message --------
From: Tony Thompson <tony@...>
Date: 8/1/21 8:06 AM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] OIL DISTRIBUTOR LOGO

I have a good one, Bill, but am away from home this weekend.
Tony Thompson 


On Aug 1, 2021, at 10:46 AM, WILLIAM PARDIE <PARDIEW001@...> wrote:


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Does anyone have a clear photo or drawing of the Flying A logo on the end of the tank in this photo?  I am in particular looking for the lettering below the FLYINBG A.

Thaks for any help:

Bill Pardie


Re: OIL DISTRIBUTOR LOGO

Tony Thompson
 

I have a good one, Bill, but am away from home this weekend.
Tony Thompson 


On Aug 1, 2021, at 10:46 AM, WILLIAM PARDIE <PARDIEW001@...> wrote:


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Does anyone have a clear photo or drawing of the Flying A logo on the end of the tank in this photo?  I am in particular looking for the lettering below the FLYINBG A.

Thaks for any help:

Bill Pardie


Re: OIL DISTRIBUTOR LOGO

Scott H. Haycock
 

Hi William,
 
Maybe you can find it here: https://tinyurl.com/5xw2svwk 

Scott Haycock
Modeling Tarheel country in the Land of Enchantm
ent

On 08/01/2021 11:46 AM WILLIAM PARDIE <pardiew001@...> wrote:
 
 

 
 
Does anyone have a clear photo or drawing of the Flying A logo on the end of the tank in this photo?  I am in particular looking for the lettering below the FLYINBG A.
 
Thaks for any help:
 
Bill Pardie
 


OIL DISTRIBUTOR LOGO

WILLIAM PARDIE
 




Does anyone have a clear photo or drawing of the Flying A logo on the end of the tank in this photo?  I am in particular looking for the lettering below the FLYINBG A.

Thaks for any help:

Bill Pardie


Re: URTX/Milwaukee Road Reefer General Arrangement Drawings

Tim O'Connor
 


In the 1940 ORER, URTX 89000 to 89049 (50 cars?) are listed as having "steam line and valve but no hose" !!

Whatever that means - I can guess that it means the cars -could- be used in express service, but with their very
high capacity (load limit almost 65 tons) I doubt they were primarily intended to be used that way.

In the 1950 ORER, URTX 89000 to 89099 (84 cars) there is no mention of steam lines.

In both ORERs the AAR car type is RS - ice reefer.

Tim O'Connor




On 8/1/2021 9:10 AM, vapeurchapelon wrote:
Hello Tim,
 
many thanks for the nice photo! This car clearly does not have steam heat lines - so I don't have to add them, fortunately. (But of course it wouldn't be a problem either.)
 
Al Brown wrote:
 
"The cars ... were equipped with Westinghouse AB-schedule 4-12 air brakes, as well as steam and air-signal pipes"
"[U]nlike the cars that were built in following years, [URTX 89000-89024] had independent dual AB-schedule air brake systems acting on individual trucks"
 
Does the designation "AB-schedule 4-12 air brakes" stand for a special type of cylinder and maybe would give hints about the arrangement of levers and rods?
Years ago I have seen an upgraded OMI brass model which has been rebuilt to a dual-AB arrangement at the floor - not the trucks. Is this what your second citation should be understood?
 
Thanks again and greetings
 
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1954
 
Gesendet: Montag, 26. Juli 2021 um 16:16 Uhr
Von: "Tim O'Connor" <timboconnor@...>
An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] URTX/Milwaukee Road Reefer General Arrangement Drawings

Another reference article is Model Railroading, May 1991, pp.22-26

Tim O'Connor

On 7/26/2021 12:18 AM, Scott wrote:
Group,

Does anybody if there are General Arrangement drawings available for the Milwaukee Road 50ft Reefer in the photo?  According to Steam era freight car manual it was built by General American in 1938 because of the single locking bar on the door.  There is also a nice side view of this car in the book. Does anybody know if there is a survivor car hidden away in a museum somewhere?  I am particularly interested in roof details.   It appears to only have one ice hatch on each end which seems odd.  Photo is a duplicate slide, unknown photographer, my collection.

Thanks,
Scott McDonald

Attachments:



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: URTX/Milwaukee Road Reefer General Arrangement Drawings

vapeurchapelon
 

Hello Tim,
 
many thanks for the nice photo! This car clearly does not have steam heat lines - so I don't have to add them, fortunately. (But of course it wouldn't be a problem either.)
 
Al Brown wrote:
 
"The cars ... were equipped with Westinghouse AB-schedule 4-12 air brakes, as well as steam and air-signal pipes"
"[U]nlike the cars that were built in following years, [URTX 89000-89024] had independent dual AB-schedule air brake systems acting on individual trucks"
 
Does the designation "AB-schedule 4-12 air brakes" stand for a special type of cylinder and maybe would give hints about the arrangement of levers and rods?
Years ago I have seen an upgraded OMI brass model which has been rebuilt to a dual-AB arrangement at the floor - not the trucks. Is this what your second citation should be understood?
 
Thanks again and greetings
 
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1954
 
Gesendet: Montag, 26. Juli 2021 um 16:16 Uhr
Von: "Tim O'Connor" <timboconnor@...>
An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] URTX/Milwaukee Road Reefer General Arrangement Drawings

Another reference article is Model Railroading, May 1991, pp.22-26

Tim O'Connor

On 7/26/2021 12:18 AM, Scott wrote:
Group,

Does anybody if there are General Arrangement drawings available for the Milwaukee Road 50ft Reefer in the photo?  According to Steam era freight car manual it was built by General American in 1938 because of the single locking bar on the door.  There is also a nice side view of this car in the book. Does anybody know if there is a survivor car hidden away in a museum somewhere?  I am particularly interested in roof details.   It appears to only have one ice hatch on each end which seems odd.  Photo is a duplicate slide, unknown photographer, my collection.

Thanks,
Scott McDonald

Attachments:


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: URTX/Milwaukee Road Reefer General Arrangement Drawings

 

Now that I think on it, I may even have a photo of the prototype taken in Austin MN back in 1977 or so.

 

 

Thanks!

Brian Ehni

signature_1055067040

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of "BRIAN PAUL EHNI via groups.io" <bpehni@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Saturday, July 31, 2021 at 9:17 PM
To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] URTX/Milwaukee Road Reefer General Arrangement Drawings

 

Late to the discussion, but I believe I have one of the MILW 50’ brass cars in HO. I can photograph it when I get home from Collinsville.

 

 

Thanks!

Brian Ehni

signature_131266717

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of "Richard Townsend via groups.io" <richtownsend@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Saturday, July 31, 2021 at 8:55 PM
To: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] URTX/Milwaukee Road Reefer General Arrangement Drawings

 

I don't know of any on line, but here are a couple. SRLX 14991 is from my collection, and SRLX 14994 is from the 1943 CBC.

Richard Townsend

Lincoln City, OR

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Scott <repairman87@...>
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Sent: Sat, Jul 31, 2021 6:05 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] URTX/Milwaukee Road Reefer General Arrangement Drawings

On Sat, Jul 31, 2021 at 05:17 PM, Richard Townsend wrote:

The Swift cars were built in 1934.

Richard Townsend

Lincoln City, 

Richard do you know of any photos of the Swift cars that are online?

Thanks
Scott McDonald 


Re: URTX/Milwaukee Road Reefer General Arrangement Drawings

 

Late to the discussion, but I believe I have one of the MILW 50’ brass cars in HO. I can photograph it when I get home from Collinsville.

 

 

Thanks!

Brian Ehni

signature_131266717

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of "Richard Townsend via groups.io" <richtownsend@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Saturday, July 31, 2021 at 8:55 PM
To: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] URTX/Milwaukee Road Reefer General Arrangement Drawings

 

I don't know of any on line, but here are a couple. SRLX 14991 is from my collection, and SRLX 14994 is from the 1943 CBC.

Richard Townsend

Lincoln City, OR

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Scott <repairman87@...>
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Sent: Sat, Jul 31, 2021 6:05 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] URTX/Milwaukee Road Reefer General Arrangement Drawings

On Sat, Jul 31, 2021 at 05:17 PM, Richard Townsend wrote:

The Swift cars were built in 1934.

Richard Townsend

Lincoln City, 

Richard do you know of any photos of the Swift cars that are online?

Thanks
Scott McDonald 


Re: URTX/Milwaukee Road Reefer General Arrangement Drawings

Richard Townsend
 

I don't know of any on line, but here are a couple. SRLX 14991 is from my collection, and SRLX 14994 is from the 1943 CBC.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Scott <repairman87@...>
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Sent: Sat, Jul 31, 2021 6:05 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] URTX/Milwaukee Road Reefer General Arrangement Drawings

On Sat, Jul 31, 2021 at 05:17 PM, Richard Townsend wrote:
The Swift cars were built in 1934.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, 
Richard do you know of any photos of the Swift cars that are online?

Thanks
Scott McDonald 


Re: URTX/Milwaukee Road Reefer General Arrangement Drawings

Scott
 

On Sat, Jul 31, 2021 at 05:17 PM, Richard Townsend wrote:
The Swift cars were built in 1934.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, 
Richard do you know of any photos of the Swift cars that are online?

Thanks
Scott McDonald 


Re: URTX/Milwaukee Road Reefer General Arrangement Drawings

Dennis Storzek
 

On Sat, Jul 31, 2021 at 03:53 PM, Jack Mullen wrote:
Dennis, I agree that there seems to be a shared design here, but perhaps the lineage runs the other way. If my memory serves, all of the steel 50' Pfaudler cars were built postwar. The reefer in question and the similar (phase 2?) near copies built a couple years later were prewar, 1930-40 I think.
Jack,
You are, of course, correct and I forgot to consider this. I seem to recall the Pfaudler cars built in the thirties had wood sheathed bodies with prominent lifting lugs on the side plates; the bodies were removable for access to the tanks, Perhaps a decade or two of experience showed that there was little reason to expect to have to replace a tank.

The steel bodies certainly were a sleek looking design, but I why it was developed, considering that by the mid thirties reefer design was closely following boxcar design.

Dennis Storzek


Re: URTX/Milwaukee Road Reefer General Arrangement Drawings

Richard Townsend
 

The Swift cars were built in 1934.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Jack Mullen <jack.f.mullen@...>
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Sent: Sat, Jul 31, 2021 3:53 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] URTX/Milwaukee Road Reefer General Arrangement Drawings

On Thu, Jul 29, 2021 at 07:28 PM, Dennis Storzek wrote:
I've always been intrigued by these cars, it appears that General American re-purposed the same carbody they designed for the Pfaudler Corp. milk tank cars, at least one of which still exists. 
Dennis, I agree that there seems to be a shared design here, but perhaps the lineage runs the other way. If my memory serves, all of the steel 50' Pfaudler cars were built postwar. The reefer in question and the similar (phase 2?) near copies built a couple years later were prewar, 1930-40 I think.

Jack Mullen


Re: URTX/Milwaukee Road Reefer General Arrangement Drawings

Jack Mullen
 

On Thu, Jul 29, 2021 at 07:28 PM, Dennis Storzek wrote:
I've always been intrigued by these cars, it appears that General American re-purposed the same carbody they designed for the Pfaudler Corp. milk tank cars, at least one of which still exists. 
Dennis, I agree that there seems to be a shared design here, but perhaps the lineage runs the other way. If my memory serves, all of the steel 50' Pfaudler cars were built postwar. The reefer in question and the similar (phase 2?) near copies built a couple years later were prewar, 1930-40 I think.

Jack Mullen


Re: URTX/Milwaukee Road Reefer General Arrangement Drawings

ROGER HINMAN
 

I believe the Pfaulder milk tank cars had cork as insulation wrapped around the enameled tanks, I was inside the car at the MOT St Louis and can’t remember if there was insulation on the walls also; ; the URTX car had insulation on the walls like a std refrigerator except more of it.

Roger Hinman

On Jul 30, 2021, at 9:51 PM, Dennis Storzek <dennis@...> wrote:

On Fri, Jul 30, 2021 at 06:14 AM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
I have only seen photos of these reefers in freight trains. My notes indicate they were heavily insulated,
perhaps for frozen food products? I agree they are very similar to the Pfaudler cars.
Yeah, I was thinking that they didn't look like they ever had steam lines, nor buffers, but that separate plate across the bottom of the end could have been a patch, so lack of buffers was inconclusive.

Now that I think of it, I wonder how much insulation the Pfaudler milk cars had. General American may have found it easier to adapt this body style to extra insulation as opposed to the standard reefer construction.

Dennis Storzek


Re: URTX/Milwaukee Road Reefer General Arrangement Drawings

Richard Townsend
 

There was a series of Swift reefers that als was similar to the MILW cars and the Pfaudler cars 


On Jul 30, 2021, at 6:51 PM, Dennis Storzek <dennis@...> wrote:

On Fri, Jul 30, 2021 at 06:14 AM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
I have only seen photos of these reefers in freight trains. My notes indicate they were heavily insulated,
perhaps for frozen food products? I agree they are very similar to the Pfaudler cars.
Yeah, I was thinking that they didn't look like they ever had steam lines, nor buffers, but that separate plate across the bottom of the end could have been a patch, so lack of buffers was inconclusive.

Now that I think of it, I wonder how much insulation the Pfaudler milk cars had. General American may have found it easier to adapt this body style to extra insulation as opposed to the standard reefer construction.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Equipco Brake Wheels

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

That's really great Ben!  How did I miss that one?

Bill Pardie



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-------- Original message --------
From: Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...>
Date: 7/30/21 2:44 PM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Equipco Brake Wheels

George Courtney wrote:
"I've got 5, late steam era Equipco Brake Wheels.  Does anyone know what freight cars they could be found on for a 1953 model railroad.  Just need 5 names if possible. These brakewheels are round circles and not the (notched?) early Equipco brakewheels to the best of my knowledge."

This should get you started.


Ben Hom

3501 - 3520 of 189722