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Re: Car Cement on Roofs

Nelson Moyer
 

Thanks, Rich. I have two ATSF steel cars in the stash, so I made a note not to paint the running boards and latitudinals.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Car Cement on Roofs

 

I know from what I have seen,  the Santa Fe did not paint their running boards and laterals, at least on the steel ones.

 

Rich Christie

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Re: Car Cement on Roofs

Rich C
 

I know from what I have seen,  the Santa Fe did not paint their running boards and laterals, at least on the steel ones.

Rich Christie


Re: Car Cement on Roofs

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Nelson;

 

Speaking from experience with PRR, it was all over the place in their case.

 

The P&L instructions were confusing:  some paint shops did it differently from the “everybody” instructions.  Some groups got asphaltum over galavanized; some only paint.  Some got asphaltum on galvanized, then a coat of paint (which quickly peeled off).  I think offering them options:  paint on galvanized vs asphaltum on non-galvanized; how did paint guys know what was, or what was not?

 

That’s why I go from pics!

 

Elden Gatwood

 

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Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Car Cement on Roofs

 

I have several questions about use of car cement on freight car roofs. Was it applied directly to galvanized roofs or were roofs painted before application of car cement? Were running boards and latitudinals unpainted, painted, or covered with car cement? Are there railroad specific variations on the theme?

 

The car under construction is a WAB 88200 series boxcar. Ed Hawkins posted the paint specs., but they are silent about running boards, and I don’t know anything about the Wabash.

 

Nelson Moyer


Re: Car Cement on Roofs

Nelson Moyer
 

Thanks, Ed. I’ll paint the running boards and latitudinals black along with the roof. That simplifies construction and painting.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Car Cement on Roofs

 

 



On Aug 1, 2021, at 7:14 PM, Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:

 

I have several questions about use of car cement on freight car roofs. Was it applied directly to galvanized roofs or were roofs painted before application of car cement? Were running boards and latitudinals unpainted, painted, or covered with car cement? Are there railroad specific variations on the theme?

 

The car under construction is a WAB 88200 series boxcar. Ed Hawkins posted the paint specs., but they are silent about running boards, and I don’t know anything about the Wabash.

 

Nelson,

As a general rule, the car cement was applied directly to the galvanized roof sheets & seam caps after they had been cleaned so they were free of rust, dirt, and grease.

 

It was relatively uncommon for the builder’s paint specs to state one way or another if the running boards were to be painted. If the paint specs did provide any specific instructions, it was because the railroad wanted them a certain way. 

 

Photos of new Wabash 88200-88699 box cars show the running boards had a dark color on the latitudinals and near the ends, so my hunch is that they received black car cement on them at the same time the roof received the car cement. It takes a higher-angle photo than I have to confirm for sure what the entire running board looks like. 

 

Hope this helps.

Ed Hawkins

 


Re: OIL DISTRIBUTOR LOGO

George Corral
 

Tony,
I'd sure like a copy too please.

George
A wee bit north of the Clearwater Car Shops


Re: Car Cement on Roofs

Todd Horton
 

I had a conversation with Ed this weekend about this very topic on Pullman Standard cars. One thing Ed pointed out to me was the cost of car cement vs paint. Paint was $2.10ish a gallon, car cement was $.38 per gallon in the mid to late 50's.

If a buyer (the railroad) wanted something other than the standard PS package they had to pay extra for it.

Todd Horton


On Sunday, August 1, 2021, 08:14:50 PM EDT, Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:


I have several questions about use of car cement on freight car roofs. Was it applied directly to galvanized roofs or were roofs painted before application of car cement? Were running boards and latitudinals unpainted, painted, or covered with car cement? Are there railroad specific variations on the theme?

 

The car under construction is a WAB 88200 series boxcar. Ed Hawkins posted the paint specs., but they are silent about running boards, and I don’t know anything about the Wabash.

 

Nelson Moyer


Re: Car Cement on Roofs

Ed Hawkins
 



On Aug 1, 2021, at 7:14 PM, Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:

I have several questions about use of car cement on freight car roofs. Was it applied directly to galvanized roofs or were roofs painted before application of car cement? Were running boards and latitudinals unpainted, painted, or covered with car cement? Are there railroad specific variations on the theme?
 
The car under construction is a WAB 88200 series boxcar. Ed Hawkins posted the paint specs., but they are silent about running boards, and I don’t know anything about the Wabash.
 
Nelson,
As a general rule, the car cement was applied directly to the galvanized roof sheets & seam caps after they had been cleaned so they were free of rust, dirt, and grease.

It was relatively uncommon for the builder’s paint specs to state one way or another if the running boards were to be painted. If the paint specs did provide any specific instructions, it was because the railroad wanted them a certain way. 

Photos of new Wabash 88200-88699 box cars show the running boards had a dark color on the latitudinals and near the ends, so my hunch is that they received black car cement on them at the same time the roof received the car cement. It takes a higher-angle photo than I have to confirm for sure what the entire running board looks like. 

Hope this helps.
Ed Hawkins



Re: URTX/Milwaukee Road Reefer General Arrangement Drawings

Steve SANDIFER
 

Forgive me if I am late to the party, but there are some detail photos of URTX 89011 Milwaukee on pages 29-31 and GARX 9999 EJ&E on pages 32-39 of Focus on Freight Cars Vol. 11.

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of BRIAN PAUL EHNI
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] URTX/Milwaukee Road Reefer General Arrangement Drawings

 

I do have many photos of these cars, however, including a larger version of what Tim posted (89078)

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 


Car Cement on Roofs

Nelson Moyer
 

I have several questions about use of car cement on freight car roofs. Was it applied directly to galvanized roofs or were roofs painted before application of car cement? Were running boards and latitudinals unpainted, painted, or covered with car cement? Are there railroad specific variations on the theme?

 

The car under construction is a WAB 88200 series boxcar. Ed Hawkins posted the paint specs., but they are silent about running boards, and I don’t know anything about the Wabash.

 

Nelson Moyer


Re: URTX/Milwaukee Road Reefer General Arrangement Drawings

 

I do have many photos of these cars, however, including a larger version of what Tim posted (89078).

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 


Re: URTX/Milwaukee Road Reefer General Arrangement Drawings

 

Looked thru my MILW photos and found I did not take a photo of what I thought I had. There was an old express box in Austin, MN, that day, but I only got one end of it.

 

And my model is an NJI 50’ rib side painted in orange, maroon, and black as an express car.

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

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Date: Saturday, July 31, 2021 at 9:19 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] URTX/Milwaukee Road Reefer General Arrangement Drawings

 

Now that I think on it, I may even have a photo of the prototype taken in Austin MN back in 1977 or so.

 

 

Thanks!

Brian Ehni

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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] URTX/Milwaukee Road Reefer General Arrangement Drawings

 

Late to the discussion, but I believe I have one of the MILW 50’ brass cars in HO. I can photograph it when I get home from Collinsville.

 

 

Thanks!

Brian Ehni

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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] URTX/Milwaukee Road Reefer General Arrangement Drawings

 

I don't know of any on line, but here are a couple. SRLX 14991 is from my collection, and SRLX 14994 is from the 1943 CBC.

Richard Townsend

Lincoln City, OR

 

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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] URTX/Milwaukee Road Reefer General Arrangement Drawings

On Sat, Jul 31, 2021 at 05:17 PM, Richard Townsend wrote:

The Swift cars were built in 1934.

Richard Townsend

Lincoln City, 

Richard do you know of any photos of the Swift cars that are online?

Thanks
Scott McDonald 


Re: OIL DISTRIBUTOR LOGO

Doug Paasch
 

Tony,
I'd sure like a copy too please.  I'll be running Flying A tank cars from the Associated Oil dock in Seattle on my currently under construction layout.

Doug Paasch


On Sun, Aug 1, 2021, 12:06 PM Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:
I have a good one, Bill, but am away from home this weekend.
Tony Thompson 


On Aug 1, 2021, at 10:46 AM, WILLIAM PARDIE <PARDIEW001@...> wrote:


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Does anyone have a clear photo or drawing of the Flying A logo on the end of the tank in this photo?  I am in particular looking for the lettering below the FLYINBG A.

Thaks for any help:

Bill Pardie


Re: OIL DISTRIBUTOR LOGO

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

Thanks Tony:

Bill



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


-------- Original message --------
From: Tony Thompson <tony@...>
Date: 8/1/21 8:06 AM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] OIL DISTRIBUTOR LOGO

I have a good one, Bill, but am away from home this weekend.
Tony Thompson 


On Aug 1, 2021, at 10:46 AM, WILLIAM PARDIE <PARDIEW001@...> wrote:


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Does anyone have a clear photo or drawing of the Flying A logo on the end of the tank in this photo?  I am in particular looking for the lettering below the FLYINBG A.

Thaks for any help:

Bill Pardie


Re: OIL DISTRIBUTOR LOGO

Tony Thompson
 

I have a good one, Bill, but am away from home this weekend.
Tony Thompson 


On Aug 1, 2021, at 10:46 AM, WILLIAM PARDIE <PARDIEW001@...> wrote:


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Does anyone have a clear photo or drawing of the Flying A logo on the end of the tank in this photo?  I am in particular looking for the lettering below the FLYINBG A.

Thaks for any help:

Bill Pardie


Re: OIL DISTRIBUTOR LOGO

Scott H. Haycock
 

Hi William,
 
Maybe you can find it here: https://tinyurl.com/5xw2svwk 

Scott Haycock
Modeling Tarheel country in the Land of Enchantm
ent

On 08/01/2021 11:46 AM WILLIAM PARDIE <pardiew001@...> wrote:
 
 

 
 
Does anyone have a clear photo or drawing of the Flying A logo on the end of the tank in this photo?  I am in particular looking for the lettering below the FLYINBG A.
 
Thaks for any help:
 
Bill Pardie
 


OIL DISTRIBUTOR LOGO

WILLIAM PARDIE
 




Does anyone have a clear photo or drawing of the Flying A logo on the end of the tank in this photo?  I am in particular looking for the lettering below the FLYINBG A.

Thaks for any help:

Bill Pardie


Re: URTX/Milwaukee Road Reefer General Arrangement Drawings

Tim O'Connor
 


In the 1940 ORER, URTX 89000 to 89049 (50 cars?) are listed as having "steam line and valve but no hose" !!

Whatever that means - I can guess that it means the cars -could- be used in express service, but with their very
high capacity (load limit almost 65 tons) I doubt they were primarily intended to be used that way.

In the 1950 ORER, URTX 89000 to 89099 (84 cars) there is no mention of steam lines.

In both ORERs the AAR car type is RS - ice reefer.

Tim O'Connor




On 8/1/2021 9:10 AM, vapeurchapelon wrote:
Hello Tim,
 
many thanks for the nice photo! This car clearly does not have steam heat lines - so I don't have to add them, fortunately. (But of course it wouldn't be a problem either.)
 
Al Brown wrote:
 
"The cars ... were equipped with Westinghouse AB-schedule 4-12 air brakes, as well as steam and air-signal pipes"
"[U]nlike the cars that were built in following years, [URTX 89000-89024] had independent dual AB-schedule air brake systems acting on individual trucks"
 
Does the designation "AB-schedule 4-12 air brakes" stand for a special type of cylinder and maybe would give hints about the arrangement of levers and rods?
Years ago I have seen an upgraded OMI brass model which has been rebuilt to a dual-AB arrangement at the floor - not the trucks. Is this what your second citation should be understood?
 
Thanks again and greetings
 
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1954
 
Gesendet: Montag, 26. Juli 2021 um 16:16 Uhr
Von: "Tim O'Connor" <timboconnor@...>
An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] URTX/Milwaukee Road Reefer General Arrangement Drawings

Another reference article is Model Railroading, May 1991, pp.22-26

Tim O'Connor

On 7/26/2021 12:18 AM, Scott wrote:
Group,

Does anybody if there are General Arrangement drawings available for the Milwaukee Road 50ft Reefer in the photo?  According to Steam era freight car manual it was built by General American in 1938 because of the single locking bar on the door.  There is also a nice side view of this car in the book. Does anybody know if there is a survivor car hidden away in a museum somewhere?  I am particularly interested in roof details.   It appears to only have one ice hatch on each end which seems odd.  Photo is a duplicate slide, unknown photographer, my collection.

Thanks,
Scott McDonald

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Tim O'Connor
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Re: URTX/Milwaukee Road Reefer General Arrangement Drawings

vapeurchapelon
 

Hello Tim,
 
many thanks for the nice photo! This car clearly does not have steam heat lines - so I don't have to add them, fortunately. (But of course it wouldn't be a problem either.)
 
Al Brown wrote:
 
"The cars ... were equipped with Westinghouse AB-schedule 4-12 air brakes, as well as steam and air-signal pipes"
"[U]nlike the cars that were built in following years, [URTX 89000-89024] had independent dual AB-schedule air brake systems acting on individual trucks"
 
Does the designation "AB-schedule 4-12 air brakes" stand for a special type of cylinder and maybe would give hints about the arrangement of levers and rods?
Years ago I have seen an upgraded OMI brass model which has been rebuilt to a dual-AB arrangement at the floor - not the trucks. Is this what your second citation should be understood?
 
Thanks again and greetings
 
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1954
 
Gesendet: Montag, 26. Juli 2021 um 16:16 Uhr
Von: "Tim O'Connor" <timboconnor@...>
An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] URTX/Milwaukee Road Reefer General Arrangement Drawings

Another reference article is Model Railroading, May 1991, pp.22-26

Tim O'Connor

On 7/26/2021 12:18 AM, Scott wrote:
Group,

Does anybody if there are General Arrangement drawings available for the Milwaukee Road 50ft Reefer in the photo?  According to Steam era freight car manual it was built by General American in 1938 because of the single locking bar on the door.  There is also a nice side view of this car in the book. Does anybody know if there is a survivor car hidden away in a museum somewhere?  I am particularly interested in roof details.   It appears to only have one ice hatch on each end which seems odd.  Photo is a duplicate slide, unknown photographer, my collection.

Thanks,
Scott McDonald

Attachments:


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: URTX/Milwaukee Road Reefer General Arrangement Drawings

 

Now that I think on it, I may even have a photo of the prototype taken in Austin MN back in 1977 or so.

 

 

Thanks!

Brian Ehni

signature_1055067040

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of "BRIAN PAUL EHNI via groups.io" <bpehni@...>
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Date: Saturday, July 31, 2021 at 9:17 PM
To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] URTX/Milwaukee Road Reefer General Arrangement Drawings

 

Late to the discussion, but I believe I have one of the MILW 50’ brass cars in HO. I can photograph it when I get home from Collinsville.

 

 

Thanks!

Brian Ehni

signature_131266717

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of "Richard Townsend via groups.io" <richtownsend@...>
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] URTX/Milwaukee Road Reefer General Arrangement Drawings

 

I don't know of any on line, but here are a couple. SRLX 14991 is from my collection, and SRLX 14994 is from the 1943 CBC.

Richard Townsend

Lincoln City, OR

 

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Sat, Jul 31, 2021 6:05 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] URTX/Milwaukee Road Reefer General Arrangement Drawings

On Sat, Jul 31, 2021 at 05:17 PM, Richard Townsend wrote:

The Swift cars were built in 1934.

Richard Townsend

Lincoln City, 

Richard do you know of any photos of the Swift cars that are online?

Thanks
Scott McDonald 


Re: URTX/Milwaukee Road Reefer General Arrangement Drawings

 

Late to the discussion, but I believe I have one of the MILW 50’ brass cars in HO. I can photograph it when I get home from Collinsville.

 

 

Thanks!

Brian Ehni

signature_131266717

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of "Richard Townsend via groups.io" <richtownsend@...>
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Date: Saturday, July 31, 2021 at 8:55 PM
To: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] URTX/Milwaukee Road Reefer General Arrangement Drawings

 

I don't know of any on line, but here are a couple. SRLX 14991 is from my collection, and SRLX 14994 is from the 1943 CBC.

Richard Townsend

Lincoln City, OR

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Scott <repairman87@...>
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Sent: Sat, Jul 31, 2021 6:05 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] URTX/Milwaukee Road Reefer General Arrangement Drawings

On Sat, Jul 31, 2021 at 05:17 PM, Richard Townsend wrote:

The Swift cars were built in 1934.

Richard Townsend

Lincoln City, 

Richard do you know of any photos of the Swift cars that are online?

Thanks
Scott McDonald 

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