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Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Equipco Brake Wheels

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

To add to what Ben said:

 

PRR was very fond of Equipco brakes for their X31A “round roof: box cars as here:

 

6

(+1)

X31A

67561

 

67758

68047

 

68143

68283

68377

68408

70094

76447

76642

76758

76777

76803

77061

77634

77758

77991

 

78417

78433

78477

78496

78913

79612

80239

80330

 

80378

 

81151

G Elwood

rsa

Burg

E9736-38

 

Vol 1 p.78

Bob

Dunn-Burg

Vol 2 p.40

Burg

Dunn-Burg

Vol 1 p.77

Vol 2 p.40

Vol 2 p.40

Vol 1 p.77

Vol 2 p.40

Bob

Vol 2 p.40

Dunn-Burg

 

AGaines

Dunn-Burg

Vol 3 p.54

Bob

Bob

JSands

Kuelbs?

Dunn-Burg

 

Dunn-Burg

 

Hagley

SK sans serif; transverse reservoir; 2D-F8

CK; Equipco brakes

CK; trans res; 2D-F12; no patch; early Equipco; jog grab; 4/34

PK; coal tar car

SK; calendar; ptd 4/54 trans res; 11/54

PK; 9/61; transverse brake res.

SK sans serif; Ajax brakes

PK; 9/61; transverse brake reservoir.

PK; 11/61; longitudinal reservoir.

SK serif; P57-11-54; c.’55

SK serif

SK serif; Universal brakes

PK; p-62-6-61

SK sans serif

CK; 2D-F12; 12/54

SK serif

SK; 2/60 repaint in serif; longitudinal reservoir.

None; Equipco

SK; 3/60 repaint in serif

CK;

SK; serif; ptd 6/55; 4/57

PK; ptd 1/66; patch; 7/68

SK sans serif; patch; long res; 1966

PK; 9/61 rebld; straight grab; Ajax?

SK; 2/60 repaint in serif; longitudinal reservoir.

SK; 4/60 repaint in serif; early Equipco; long. Res.

B end; Ajax brake

Bowser double door and single door cars; West Shore Line (NLA); Sunshine (NLA)

X31A early X31F brake arrangement (B end to right)

Late X31A (and etc) brake arrangement (B end to right)

 

I think Rapido will get this right on their upcoming X31A’s.  67xxx series, thru early 68xxx series, plus later, late 77xxx series. 

 

There were a few G24 and G26 gons so equipped.

 

Additionally, Equipco’s were also found on some X31D, X32B, and X32D, plus some X37, X37A and X38 box cars.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Benjamin Hom
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2021 8:45 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Equipco Brake Wheels

 

George Courtney wrote:

"I've got 5, late steam era Equipco Brake Wheels.  Does anyone know what freight cars they could be found on for a 1953 model railroad.  Just need 5 names if possible. These brakewheels are round circles and not the (notched?) early Equipco brakewheels to the best of my knowledge."

 

This should get you started.

 

 

Ben Hom


Re: Car Cement on Roofs

Nelson Moyer
 

Just what I didn't wanted to hear - another unknown variable!

Has anyone modeled the texture of car content, or is it too fine to show up in HO scale?

Nelson Moyer

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony Thompson
Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 1:45 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Car Cement on Roofs

It’s useful to remember that car cement didn’t just come in black (its original color). By WW II, it was also available in BCR.

Tony Thompson
tony@signaturepress.com



On Aug 2, 2021, at 1:11 PM, Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@hotmail.com> wrote:


Re: URTX/Milwaukee Road Reefer General Arrangement Drawings

Dennis Storzek
 

On Sat, Jul 31, 2021 at 03:53 PM, Jack Mullen wrote:
Dennis, I agree that there seems to be a shared design here, but perhaps the lineage runs the other way. If my memory serves, all of the steel 50' Pfaudler cars were built postwar. The reefer in question and the similar (phase 2?) near copies built a couple years later were prewar, 1930-40 I think.
Jack,

Something piqued my memory, but I can't find a citation, that there was a prewar batch of steel bodied Pfaudler cars, IIRC 40' cars, that had the same roof and formed steel side plate, but a more conventional underframe with structural steel side sills, to which the side sheets were riveted in the same fashion as the X29 and ARA variant. I suspect the use of the same pressing for a side sill of the high insulated reefers saved a lot of weight, partially making up for the increased weight of the deeper car posts, and also made their attachment easier.

Dennis Storzek 


Re: OIL DISTRIBUTOR LOGO

Scott H. Haycock
 

I'm wondering if that text on the bottom of the sign my have been specific to that facility. Was that a company-owned site, or owned by a separate concern?
 

Scott Haycock
Modeling Tarheel country in the Land of Enchantm
ent

On 08/03/2021 1:29 PM Charlie Vlk <cvlk@...> wrote:
 
 
To address the question as written, I did a number of online searches and could not find any photo of a bulk tank at a local dealer that would indicate what would typically under the logo, much less a Flying A operation.
Plenty of photos of the logo and some associated slogans but nothing that answers the question asked.
Charlie Vlk

 

On Aug 3, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


Microscale 87-874

https://sidetrackhobby.com/products/460-87874


On 8/1/2021 3:42 PM, Doug Paasch wrote:
Tony,
I'd sure like a copy too please.  I'll be running Flying A tank cars from the Associated Oil dock in Seattle on my currently under construction layout.
 
Doug Paasch
 

On Sun, Aug 1, 2021, 12:06 PM Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:
I have a good one, Bill, but am away from home this weekend.
Tony Thompson 


On Aug 1, 2021, at 10:46 AM, WILLIAM PARDIE <PARDIEW001@...> wrote:

<IMG_0622.JPG>

 
 
Does anyone have a clear photo or drawing of the Flying A logo on the end of the tank in this photo?  I am in particular looking for the lettering below the FLYINBG A.
 
Thaks for any help:
 
Bill Pardie

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: OIL DISTRIBUTOR LOGO

Charlie Vlk
 

To address the question as written, I did a number of online searches and could not find any photo of a bulk tank at a local dealer that would indicate what would typically under the logo, much less a Flying A operation.
Plenty of photos of the logo and some associated slogans but nothing that answers the question asked.
Charlie Vlk


On Aug 3, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



Microscale 87-874

https://sidetrackhobby.com/products/460-87874


On 8/1/2021 3:42 PM, Doug Paasch wrote:
Tony,
I'd sure like a copy too please.  I'll be running Flying A tank cars from the Associated Oil dock in Seattle on my currently under construction layout.

Doug Paasch


On Sun, Aug 1, 2021, 12:06 PM Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:
I have a good one, Bill, but am away from home this weekend.
Tony Thompson 


On Aug 1, 2021, at 10:46 AM, WILLIAM PARDIE <PARDIEW001@...> wrote:


<IMG_0622.JPG>



Does anyone have a clear photo or drawing of the Flying A logo on the end of the tank in this photo?  I am in particular looking for the lettering below the FLYINBG A.

Thaks for any help:

Bill Pardie


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Car Cement on Roofs

Tony Thompson
 

It’s useful to remember that car cement didn’t just come in black (its original color). By WW II, it was also available in BCR.

Tony Thompson
tony@signaturepress.com

On Aug 2, 2021, at 1:11 PM, Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@hotmail.com> wrote:


Re: Car Cement on Roofs

Dennis Storzek
 

On Mon, Aug 2, 2021 at 10:49 AM, Rich C wrote:
I know from what I have seen,  the Santa Fe did not paint their running boards and laterals, at least on the steel ones.
IIRC from an article on Santa Fe cabooses, wood running boards were pre-painted freight car color before being applied over car cement roofs.

Dennis Storzek


Re: OIL DISTRIBUTOR LOGO

Tim O'Connor
 


Ah but WHICH tidewater version?? :-D

Tim O'Connor



On 8/3/2021 12:43 PM, hubert mask wrote:
I offer the tidewater version of the flying A tank car.

Hubert Mask
Maskislanddecals.com


On Aug 3, 2021, at 10:12 AM, Ray Hutchison <rayhutchison2@...> wrote:


Tony Thompson has a page devoted to the Associated Flying A Oil Company at his Modeling the SP website: http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2013/12/associated-oil-company-background.html

<Tidewater Flying A tank car.png>

If you google "Associated Flying A Oil Company logo" you will come up with dozens of examples... although I'm not certain any one of these matches the oil tanks in the original post

Attachments:



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: OIL DISTRIBUTOR LOGO

hubert mask
 

I offer the tidewater version of the flying A tank car.

Hubert Mask
Maskislanddecals.com


On Aug 3, 2021, at 10:12 AM, Ray Hutchison <rayhutchison2@...> wrote:


Tony Thompson has a page devoted to the Associated Flying A Oil Company at his Modeling the SP website: http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2013/12/associated-oil-company-background.html

<Tidewater Flying A tank car.png>

If you google "Associated Flying A Oil Company logo" you will come up with dozens of examples... although I'm not certain any one of these matches the oil tanks in the original post


Re: OIL DISTRIBUTOR LOGO

Tim O'Connor
 

On 8/1/2021 3:42 PM, Doug Paasch wrote:
Tony,
I'd sure like a copy too please.  I'll be running Flying A tank cars from the Associated Oil dock in Seattle on my currently under construction layout.

Doug Paasch


On Sun, Aug 1, 2021, 12:06 PM Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:
I have a good one, Bill, but am away from home this weekend.
Tony Thompson 


On Aug 1, 2021, at 10:46 AM, WILLIAM PARDIE <PARDIEW001@...> wrote:


<IMG_0622.JPG>



Does anyone have a clear photo or drawing of the Flying A logo on the end of the tank in this photo?  I am in particular looking for the lettering below the FLYINBG A.

Thaks for any help:

Bill Pardie


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: OIL DISTRIBUTOR LOGO

Ray Hutchison
 


Tony Thompson has a page devoted to the Associated Flying A Oil Company at his Modeling the SP website: http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2013/12/associated-oil-company-background.html


If you google "Associated Flying A Oil Company logo" you will come up with dozens of examples... although I'm not certain any one of these matches the oil tanks in the original post


Re: Car Cement on Roofs

Rich C
 

Your welcome, Nelson. I will check my early RPC's as they give a little more detail on roof , running board and lateral colors.

Rich

On Monday, August 2, 2021, 03:03:49 PM CDT, Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:


Thanks, Rich. I have two ATSF steel cars in the stash, so I made a note not to paint the running boards and latitudinals.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rich C via groups.io
Sent: Monday, August 2, 2021 12:49 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Car Cement on Roofs

 

I know from what I have seen,  the Santa Fe did not paint their running boards and laterals, at least on the steel ones.

 

Rich Christie


Re: Car Cement on Roofs

Nelson Moyer
 

Thanks, Elden. I try to get color pictures for all of the cars I build, but that’s hasn’t always been possible. I’ve pretty much filled in all of the PRR cars I can use by buying RTR, but whether or not they’re accurate is another issue. I confess to not holding plastic to the higher standard I have for resin.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Sent: Monday, August 2, 2021 12:43 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io; RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Car Cement on Roofs

 

Nelson;

 

Speaking from experience with PRR, it was all over the place in their case.

 

The P&L instructions were confusing:  some paint shops did it differently from the “everybody” instructions.  Some groups got asphaltum over galavanized; some only paint.  Some got asphaltum on galvanized, then a coat of paint (which quickly peeled off).  I think offering them options:  paint on galvanized vs asphaltum on non-galvanized; how did paint guys know what was, or what was not?

 

That’s why I go from pics!

 

Elden Gatwood

 


Re: Car Cement on Roofs

Nelson Moyer
 

Thanks, Rich. I have two ATSF steel cars in the stash, so I made a note not to paint the running boards and latitudinals.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rich C via groups.io
Sent: Monday, August 2, 2021 12:49 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Car Cement on Roofs

 

I know from what I have seen,  the Santa Fe did not paint their running boards and laterals, at least on the steel ones.

 

Rich Christie

_._,_._,_

 


Re: Car Cement on Roofs

Rich C
 

I know from what I have seen,  the Santa Fe did not paint their running boards and laterals, at least on the steel ones.

Rich Christie


Re: Car Cement on Roofs

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Nelson;

 

Speaking from experience with PRR, it was all over the place in their case.

 

The P&L instructions were confusing:  some paint shops did it differently from the “everybody” instructions.  Some groups got asphaltum over galavanized; some only paint.  Some got asphaltum on galvanized, then a coat of paint (which quickly peeled off).  I think offering them options:  paint on galvanized vs asphaltum on non-galvanized; how did paint guys know what was, or what was not?

 

That’s why I go from pics!

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nelson Moyer
Sent: Sunday, August 1, 2021 8:15 PM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Car Cement on Roofs

 

I have several questions about use of car cement on freight car roofs. Was it applied directly to galvanized roofs or were roofs painted before application of car cement? Were running boards and latitudinals unpainted, painted, or covered with car cement? Are there railroad specific variations on the theme?

 

The car under construction is a WAB 88200 series boxcar. Ed Hawkins posted the paint specs., but they are silent about running boards, and I don’t know anything about the Wabash.

 

Nelson Moyer


Re: Car Cement on Roofs

Nelson Moyer
 

Thanks, Ed. I’ll paint the running boards and latitudinals black along with the roof. That simplifies construction and painting.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ed Hawkins
Sent: Sunday, August 1, 2021 10:53 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Car Cement on Roofs

 

 



On Aug 1, 2021, at 7:14 PM, Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:

 

I have several questions about use of car cement on freight car roofs. Was it applied directly to galvanized roofs or were roofs painted before application of car cement? Were running boards and latitudinals unpainted, painted, or covered with car cement? Are there railroad specific variations on the theme?

 

The car under construction is a WAB 88200 series boxcar. Ed Hawkins posted the paint specs., but they are silent about running boards, and I don’t know anything about the Wabash.

 

Nelson,

As a general rule, the car cement was applied directly to the galvanized roof sheets & seam caps after they had been cleaned so they were free of rust, dirt, and grease.

 

It was relatively uncommon for the builder’s paint specs to state one way or another if the running boards were to be painted. If the paint specs did provide any specific instructions, it was because the railroad wanted them a certain way. 

 

Photos of new Wabash 88200-88699 box cars show the running boards had a dark color on the latitudinals and near the ends, so my hunch is that they received black car cement on them at the same time the roof received the car cement. It takes a higher-angle photo than I have to confirm for sure what the entire running board looks like. 

 

Hope this helps.

Ed Hawkins

 


Re: OIL DISTRIBUTOR LOGO

George Corral
 

Tony,
I'd sure like a copy too please.

George
A wee bit north of the Clearwater Car Shops


Re: Car Cement on Roofs

Todd Horton
 

I had a conversation with Ed this weekend about this very topic on Pullman Standard cars. One thing Ed pointed out to me was the cost of car cement vs paint. Paint was $2.10ish a gallon, car cement was $.38 per gallon in the mid to late 50's.

If a buyer (the railroad) wanted something other than the standard PS package they had to pay extra for it.

Todd Horton


On Sunday, August 1, 2021, 08:14:50 PM EDT, Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:


I have several questions about use of car cement on freight car roofs. Was it applied directly to galvanized roofs or were roofs painted before application of car cement? Were running boards and latitudinals unpainted, painted, or covered with car cement? Are there railroad specific variations on the theme?

 

The car under construction is a WAB 88200 series boxcar. Ed Hawkins posted the paint specs., but they are silent about running boards, and I don’t know anything about the Wabash.

 

Nelson Moyer


Re: Car Cement on Roofs

Ed Hawkins
 



On Aug 1, 2021, at 7:14 PM, Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:

I have several questions about use of car cement on freight car roofs. Was it applied directly to galvanized roofs or were roofs painted before application of car cement? Were running boards and latitudinals unpainted, painted, or covered with car cement? Are there railroad specific variations on the theme?
 
The car under construction is a WAB 88200 series boxcar. Ed Hawkins posted the paint specs., but they are silent about running boards, and I don’t know anything about the Wabash.
 
Nelson,
As a general rule, the car cement was applied directly to the galvanized roof sheets & seam caps after they had been cleaned so they were free of rust, dirt, and grease.

It was relatively uncommon for the builder’s paint specs to state one way or another if the running boards were to be painted. If the paint specs did provide any specific instructions, it was because the railroad wanted them a certain way. 

Photos of new Wabash 88200-88699 box cars show the running boards had a dark color on the latitudinals and near the ends, so my hunch is that they received black car cement on them at the same time the roof received the car cement. It takes a higher-angle photo than I have to confirm for sure what the entire running board looks like. 

Hope this helps.
Ed Hawkins


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