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Photo: C&NW Livestock Car 14976 (1958)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: C&NW Livestock Car 14976 (1958)

A Jim Parker photo:

http://canadianfreightcargallery.ca/cgi-bin/image.pl?i=cnw14976&o=cnw

Any comments from C&NW followers?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Moderator

Railway Bull Shippers Group

https://groups.io/g/RailwayBullShippersGroup


Cocoa Beach RPM

al_brown03
 

G'morning:

The "Bash at the Beach" returns January 6-8, 2022: with clinics, vendors, models on display, modular layouts, and Florida weather. For details, including prices and contact info, please see: http://prototyperails.com

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


FW: [EXT] [RealSTMFC] caboose colors

Rupert Gamlen
 

Big, OOOOOps. My apologies.

Rupert Gamlen
Auckland NZ

 

From: Rupert Gamlen
Sent: Saturday, 7 August 2021 6:27 pm
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: RE: [EXT] [RealSTMFC] caboose colors

 

John


Rupert

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Mischke
Sent: Saturday, 7 August 2021 4:13 pm
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [EXT] [RealSTMFC] caboose colors

 



First application of Devil's Red on B&O cabooses was the 1941 build of 100 I-12 wagontop cabooses.


Re: [EXT] [RealSTMFC] caboose colors

Rupert Gamlen
 

John

Sorry about the delay but we have a number of Trade Me auctions finishing and a 50% reduction in fees for new listings, so I’ve been a bit busy!

The cocktail unit is 1820 high, 900 wide and 470 deep and is in two pieces – the bottom drawer unit and the cabinet with the side pieces which rest on the top of the drawer unit.

The entertainment unit is 1380 high, 1170 wide and 470 deep. The space for the TV is 830 wide and 560 high.

If you are interested, you’ll need to discuss prices with Maureen. I am merely a photographer, measurer and e-mailer!

Rupert

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Mischke
Sent: Saturday, 7 August 2021 4:13 pm
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [EXT] [RealSTMFC] caboose colors

 



First application of Devil's Red on B&O cabooses was the 1941 build of 100 I-12 wagontop cabooses.


Re: [EXT] [RealSTMFC] caboose colors

Jim Mischke
 



First application of Devil's Red on B&O cabooses was the 1941 build of 100 I-12 wagontop cabooses.


Re: URTX/Milwaukee Road Reefer General Arrangement Drawings

Scott
 

While I can't find it on thier website Funaro did the GATX milk car a long time ago.  Martin Lofton used it as his starting point for the 50' GATX reefer which turned out really nice.

Jack, in the article Martin pondered the same question and the EJ&E reefers.  He didn't have an answer either.  

Scott McDonald


Re: Article: Swift Reefers, Stock Cars & Tank Cars

np328
 

     I fully agree with Charlies post regarding Martin and especially Richard and the myriad of articles they authored. 

I always enjoyed Richard's presentations in person. (As did many others as these were always SRO. Packed so full at time that even talking a deep breath involved coordinating around you as others were exhaling.)   I do not recall Martin giving many - if any - presentations even at the first several Naperville Sunshine Meets?  

However now as I scan and selectively digitize articles of many of my magazines and others collected, Martin and Richard's name comes up time and time, and time again. Greg Martin's also.  And the amount of data found within them is truly amazing. (Yes, I am aware that some publishers offer digital copies of past issues. However complaints at mfgrs are not allowed here so we will leave it at that.)  
             I am always amazed at the great amount of material they authored and how it laid the foundation of prototypical modeling in the hobby.     
                                                                                                                                                                                                                 Jim Dick       Roseville, MN                                      


Re: Model: PFE Reefer 42591 (R-40-10)

O Fenton Wells
 

Thanks for sharing Bob, always admires Bob's work.
Fenton

On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 2:02 PM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Model: PFE Reefer 42591 (R-40-10)

A model by Bob Smaus.

http://www.bobsgardenpath.com/trains_R40_10.html

Bob commented:

“One of some 4,700 R-40-10 all-steel reefers, #42591. May need a wash but at least the lube data is fresh and clean. The is the old Intermountain kit, before some corrections were made.”

As Bob mentions, there were 4,700 R-40-10 reefers. These were built in 1936-37 by PFE shops in Los Angeles and Roseville, PC&F, General American, Pullman, AC&F and Standard Steel Car Company.

In 1953, due to a shortage of REA express reefer, PFR converted fifty R-40-10 into BR-40-10 express reefers. This conversion is covered in great detail in the PFE book (Pages 165-166). The cars were converted back to freight service in 1961.

By 1962 4,079 were still in service, declining to 2,761 in 1965, 552 in 1968, and 20 in 1972.

One source claims that all R-40-10 reefers not sold to other railroads were scrapped by 1970, however, this appears not to be true as I believe we can trust the PFE book. 1975 probably is a better date for the statement.

Bob Chaparro

Moderator

Railroad Citrus Industry Modeling Group

https://groups.io/g/RailroadCitrusIndustryModelingGroup



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Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
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Re: three new eBay listings

Brian Carlson
 

Not Clark but the 4 ft diamond was postwar so no. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On Aug 6, 2021, at 3:50 PM, Bill J. via groups.io <jolitzwr@...> wrote:

Clark, the Erie box, are the dates good for 1943?

bill jolitz 


Re: three new eBay listings

Bill J.
 

Clark, the Erie box, are the dates good for 1943?

bill jolitz 


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Flat car PRR 474194 with load taken in 1977

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Tim;

 

That is a nice shot!

 

Guys;

 

If you can believe it, PRR actually went back to the well, and added more of the “F30A-design” cast flats to the roster….in 1951!  Almost twenty years later.  Talk about a successful design!

 

The sure way to tell between F30A and F30D is the lack of a stake pocket “lip” on the latter.

 

Yes, they went EVERYWHERE.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Friday, August 6, 2021 1:19 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Flat car PRR 474194 with load taken in 1977

 


This F30D has a 1951 new date


On 8/6/2021 10:32 AM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD wrote:

Guys;

 

474194 is indeed, a PRR F30A, built 1933-34(ish) (I do not have my data handy).  No sub-class other than “A”.

 

Elden Gatwood

 


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Model: PFE Reefer 42591 (R-40-10)

Bob Chaparro
 

Model: PFE Reefer 42591 (R-40-10)

A model by Bob Smaus.

http://www.bobsgardenpath.com/trains_R40_10.html

Bob commented:

“One of some 4,700 R-40-10 all-steel reefers, #42591. May need a wash but at least the lube data is fresh and clean. The is the old Intermountain kit, before some corrections were made.”

As Bob mentions, there were 4,700 R-40-10 reefers. These were built in 1936-37 by PFE shops in Los Angeles and Roseville, PC&F, General American, Pullman, AC&F and Standard Steel Car Company.

In 1953, due to a shortage of REA express reefer, PFR converted fifty R-40-10 into BR-40-10 express reefers. This conversion is covered in great detail in the PFE book (Pages 165-166). The cars were converted back to freight service in 1961.

By 1962 4,079 were still in service, declining to 2,761 in 1965, 552 in 1968, and 20 in 1972.

One source claims that all R-40-10 reefers not sold to other railroads were scrapped by 1970, however, this appears not to be true as I believe we can trust the PFE book. 1975 probably is a better date for the statement.

Bob Chaparro

Moderator

Railroad Citrus Industry Modeling Group

https://groups.io/g/RailroadCitrusIndustryModelingGroup


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Flat car PRR 474194 with load taken in 1977

Tim O'Connor
 


This F30D has a 1951 new date


On 8/6/2021 10:32 AM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD wrote:

Guys;

 

474194 is indeed, a PRR F30A, built 1933-34(ish) (I do not have my data handy).  No sub-class other than “A”.

 

Elden Gatwood



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: [EXT] [RealSTMFC] Flat car PRR 474194 with load taken in 1977

Tim O'Connor
 


I downloaded that auction photo from the same seller many years ago!
Duplicates sure keep the wheels of slide commerce turning. ;-)

Those fiberglass tanks were (or still are) popular for gas stations. I wonder
who made them, and how far they travelled to their destination.

Tim O'Connor


On 8/5/2021 11:11 PM, Bruce Smith wrote:
Folks,

Note the ROS 3-69 reweigh on this F30A, #474194. That I believe is for ROSEVILLE, CA on the SP (and also PFE), reminding us that even in "the future" a proportion of cars were reweighed off-line.

Regards,
Bruce Smith


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: three new eBay listings

Clark Propst
 

I see one listing didn't paste completely.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/114923538637?ul_noapp=true

Clark Propst


Re: Article: Swift Reefers, Stock Cars & Tank Cars

Dave Parker
 

Bob:

The Swift fleet make-up is a very complex story due to extensive rebuilding and/or renumbering, and its acquisition by General American in the early 1930s.  This past winter, I gave a full-length clinic (45 slides) just on the 1925-35 period.

To go much beyond Martin's article would logically entail writing a book, a thankless task (IMO) due to the convoluted changes in the fleet over time coupled with the absence of much in the way of surviving company records or drawings.

--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


International Railway [car co. vs equipment corp.]

akerboomk
 

I notice a lot of B&M cars were disposed of to the "International Railway Car Co. (1957 & earlier) or "International Railway Equipment Corp." (1958 & later)

Hoping someone knows...
Before I assume - were these the same company (they just changed their name?)
Or were they 2 separate organizations?
--
Ken Akerboom


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Flat car PRR 474194 with load taken in 1977

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Guys;

 

474194 is indeed, a PRR F30A, built 1933-34(ish) (I do not have my data handy).  No sub-class other than “A”.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Thursday, August 5, 2021 4:48 PM
To: STMFC <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Flat car PRR 474194 with load taken in 1977

 

Hi List Members,

 

Flat car PRR 474194 with load taken in 1977. Altho the photo was taken outside our time constraints, I suspect this flat car was around prior to 1960. It is possible this is a PRR class F30-subclass car.

 

 

Metadata at:

 

 

Enjoy!

 

Claus Schlund

 


Re: Article: Swift Reefers, Stock Cars & Tank Cars

Charlie Duckworth
 

Your posting shows what a great magazine that was in the day. Now all we seem to get is ‘how I weathered a boxcar’ or ‘how to install a decoder’.  Both Martin and Richard were a huge boost to the prototype hobbyist.   The listing of brick and mortar hobby shops in the back is amazing compared to what’s left today. 
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: URTX/Milwaukee Road Reefer General Arrangement Drawings

Jack Mullen
 

On Thu, Aug 5, 2021 at 09:47 PM, Richard Townsend wrote:
This got cut off. Please repeat your question about EJ&E
That's weird. Last sentence and signature disappeared.

I wondered why EJ&E leased 10 of the subject reefers. They seem a bit odd for the J, whose car fleet was heavily skewed to serving the steel industry. Presumably the reefers were to serve some online shipper, but what?

Jack Mullen

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