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Re: Intermountain display at Collinsville

Eric Mumper
 

Group,

I am resurrecting an email from a couple of years ago as it is now relevant again.  Intermountain has released the 1958 cuft covered hopper in multiple paint schemes with the type 3 hatches and latching mechanism.  Unfortunately they come with the riveted flat panel roof - a roof never used in combination with type 3 designs.  They should have the Murphy panel roof with the standing seams.  There is some good news as Dave Lotz at Q Connection had a run of Q cars with a built date of 1961 and painted in gray done at the same time.  Apparently he caught the error and these cars have the correct roof.

For those fussy enough to get this right the Yarmouth roof kit makes for a good replacement.  The resin roof actually looks better than the molded one because of the ability to have all the rivets cast on.  To get the Intermountain roof off the running board supports need to be bent back and then the car put in the freezer for a while.  The old roof should pop right off which will save the lettering and make for an easy conversion.

Eric Mumper 


Re: Gon color

Paul Doggett
 

Looking good Tony should be able to tell you what handbrake wheel to use I am on holiday so have no access to my books.
Paul Doggett.   England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 10 Aug 2021, at 18:56, Clark Propst via groups.io <cepropst@...> wrote:

Model's done expect for the hand brake. Attached a couple photos. One of the underframe and one of grab irons. That one shows Tichy 24" grabs bent at a 90 on the end and custom bent ones on the sides using Tichy .0125" wire bought from Bob's photos at the recent StL RPM. I used that wire for the brake pipes and rods. Used something smaller from the scrap box for the retainer line.
Once I find out what handbrake to use I'll paint the thing and impatiently wait for decals....
Clark Propst 

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Re: Gon color

Clark Propst
 

Model's done expect for the hand brake. Attached a couple photos. One of the underframe and one of grab irons. That one shows Tichy 24" grabs bent at a 90 on the end and custom bent ones on the sides using Tichy .0125" wire bought from Bob's photos at the recent StL RPM. I used that wire for the brake pipes and rods. Used something smaller from the scrap box for the retainer line.
Once I find out what handbrake to use I'll paint the thing and impatiently wait for decals....
Clark Propst 


Re: Gon color

Paul Doggett
 

Clark you are welcome.
Paul 


On 10 Aug 2021, at 17:24, Clark Propst via groups.io <cepropst@...> wrote:

Thanks Tony and Paul, nice model Paul  ;  ))

One more question: What hand brakes were used on the SP/T&NO cars?

Thanks again for your replies,
Clark Propst


Re: Gon color

Clark Propst
 

Thanks Tony and Paul, nice model Paul  ;  ))

One more question: What hand brakes were used on the SP/T&NO cars?

Thanks again for your replies,
Clark Propst


Re: KEWANEE BOILER SHiPPING PLACARD

Charlie Vlk
 

All-

 

It is hard to tell the exact style of the hand-drawn lettering on the photo of the shipping label but here are some that you can print for your own use.

I looked at a number of letterheads, builder plates, etc. online and they all seem to vary somewhat.  I also did another version including the K in a circle logo as that seems to be another common variation for shipment signage.

If anyone comes up with  better photos I can take another crack at it.

I put them into a pdf file sized for O, S, HO, N and Z.  There are enough of them to print out (use the best setting your printer has so the fine borders and text will print; not all of them will come out on a inkjet; I don’t have a laser printer to see if it would do a better job).  Obviously you can use one from a another scale if you want to go larger or smaller.  

As these were posters printed on paper and likely applied with billboard (wallpaper) paste you don’t have to print on white decal stock unless you prefer it….any thin-ish printer paper will do fine.

If you are interested the Kewanee Historical Society https://kewanee-history.com/photo-galleries/gallery-4/  has some good photos on the Kewanee Boiler Company/Corporation.  It was interesting to learn that about half of the Russian Decapods built by Baldwin in 1943 used boilers supplied by Kewanee.  These are, of course, not the USRA embargoed WWI era locos that ended up on US railroads but look to be the same basic design.

I note that https://multiscale.digital/products/ho-scale-kewanee-type-c-industrial-fire-tube-boiler-flatcar-load has a nice Kewanee type C industrial fire tube boiler in resin which to my untrained eye looks very much like the one in the picture presumably being delivered to a school  for steam heating purposes.  It is available in O, HO, N and Z.  No connection but they look pretty nice!

 

Charlie Vlk

 

(this artwork has been prepared for non-commercial use by individual Model Railroaders only.  If anyone wants to use them for decals or inclusion in a product please contact me to work out reasonable terms!)



Re: Gon color

Tony Thompson
 

Clark, definitely BCR.

Tony Thompson
tony@...


Re: Gon color

Paul Doggett
 

SP brown trucolor does it.



Paul Doggett.     England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 9 Aug 2021, at 21:48, Clark Propst via groups.io <cepropst@...> wrote:

I bought an old kit cast in yellow F&C resin of a Wabash composite gondola. I already have one, so I ordered a set of SP/T&NO decals for it. My question is beings I'll be done with this kit in a day or two what color should it be? Black or brown, around 1950.

Thanks for all replies,
Clark Propst


Gon color

Clark Propst
 

I bought an old kit cast in yellow F&C resin of a Wabash composite gondola. I already have one, so I ordered a set of SP/T&NO decals for it. My question is beings I'll be done with this kit in a day or two what color should it be? Black or brown, around 1950.

Thanks for all replies,
Clark Propst


Re: KEWANEE BOILER SHiPPING PLACARD

Jack Mullen
 

On Sun, Aug 8, 2021 at 04:35 PM, WILLIAM PARDIE wrote:
I think that the wording is KEWANNE BOLER COMPANY  ?? ILLINOIS" and will proceed with this.
Circa 1928 Kewanee Boiler Company became Kewanee Boiler Corporation and retained that name until around the end of our Steam Era.
In that cool photo Bob posted, "CORPORATION" is a better fit to the length of the third word than "COMPANY". The fourth "??" word would be "KEWANEE". So,  "KEWANEE BOILER CORPORATION   KEWANEE ILLINOIS"

Jack Mullen


Re: 37 Mod w/square corners

O Fenton Wells
 

Looks good Clark, I always liked the older Soo logo rather than the big SOO.


On Mon, Aug 9, 2021 at 10:55 AM Paul Doggett via groups.io <paul.doggett2472=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:
Clark 

That’s a great looking build.

Paul Doggett.    England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 9 Aug 2021, at 15:11, Clark Propst via groups.io <cepropst=q.com@groups.io> wrote:


Finished the SOO car yesterday. I was thinking how nice it was the basement is fairly humid. The decals don’t distort because the setting solution dried funny, there’s still water in my ‘dipping dish’ the next day...But, after Dullcoting one side had some fogging from the humidity. A quick spray took care of that. Weathering was done with Pan Pastels and Primsacolor pencils. A friend just gave me bottles of Floquil grime and dust. I’m so accustom to not airbrushing weathering now I’m almost afraid to use them.
 
Took the photos with my new iPhone (no number? 1 camera) I see a little blur in the more angled shot, otherwise I’m very happy with the photos. Would like to thank Ken Soroos for his help with this project.
 
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa
 
 

 

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Re: 37 Mod w/square corners

Paul Doggett
 

Clark 

That’s a great looking build.

Paul Doggett.    England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 9 Aug 2021, at 15:11, Clark Propst via groups.io <cepropst@...> wrote:


Finished the SOO car yesterday. I was thinking how nice it was the basement is fairly humid. The decals don’t distort because the setting solution dried funny, there’s still water in my ‘dipping dish’ the next day...But, after Dullcoting one side had some fogging from the humidity. A quick spray took care of that. Weathering was done with Pan Pastels and Primsacolor pencils. A friend just gave me bottles of Floquil grime and dust. I’m so accustom to not airbrushing weathering now I’m almost afraid to use them.
 
Took the photos with my new iPhone (no number? 1 camera) I see a little blur in the more angled shot, otherwise I’m very happy with the photos. Would like to thank Ken Soroos for his help with this project.
 
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa
 
 

 

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Re: 37 Mod w/square corners

Clark Propst
 

Finished the SOO car yesterday. I was thinking how nice it was the basement is fairly humid. The decals don’t distort because the setting solution dried funny, there’s still water in my ‘dipping dish’ the next day...But, after Dullcoting one side had some fogging from the humidity. A quick spray took care of that. Weathering was done with Pan Pastels and Primsacolor pencils. A friend just gave me bottles of Floquil grime and dust. I’m so accustom to not airbrushing weathering now I’m almost afraid to use them.
 
Took the photos with my new iPhone (no number? 1 camera) I see a little blur in the more angled shot, otherwise I’m very happy with the photos. Would like to thank Ken Soroos for his help with this project.
 
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa
 
 

 


Re: UP 66597 Wood Box (truss rod)

A Clemens
 

Eric,
Didn't notice that weigh date.
Thank you.
Al

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On Sun, Aug 8, 2021 at 3:09 PM Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:
I don’t see a build date either, but the weigh stencil looks like 11.12.08. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On Aug 8, 2021, at 5:02 PM, A Clemens <aclmns42@...> wrote:


Can't see a built date. Any info appreciated.
Thanks.
Al

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Re: UP 66597 Wood Box (truss rod)

A Clemens
 

Howard,
Excellent data!
Thank you.
Al

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On Sun, Aug 8, 2021 at 5:12 PM earlyrail <cascaderail@...> wrote:
The UP car is part of series 65000-68499 in 1900
The H&TC flat part of series 2300-2535 in 1900
Did not check earlier for the above.
The OSL 19174 box is not listed in June 1905 but is listed in March 1907
Series 19000-19188  40' Furniture box

Howard Garner


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Re: image of a bulk oil dealership

Kenneth Montero
 

Scott,
 
The Norfolk molasses tank was not on the (original) Norfolk Southern line into Norfolk. It was on the Norfolk docks accessed by car ferry for the Chespeake & Ohio Railway from Newport News.
 
Here is a link to an article referring to the tank and the Brooke Avenue Yard of the Chesapeake & Ohio Railway:  https://usmrr.blogspot.com/2017/04/pocket-terminal-brooke-ave-not-town.html
 
 
Ken Montero

On 08/08/2021 7:38 PM Scott H. Haycock <shhaycock@...> wrote:
 
 
 
Virginia Beach in on the original Norfolk Southern Railway, my railroad of interest for layout and model building. I'm going to see what I can find out about this facility as a possible source for loads for my steam era tank cars.
 
If anyone else is looking into it, contact me off list @ shhaycockATcomcastDOTcom.
 
This thread has taught me the power of group research, and how quickly tons of info can surface in a short time with help! 

Scott Haycock
Modeling Tarheel country in the Land of Enchantm
ent

On 08/08/2021 12:38 PM Kenneth Montero <va661midlo@...> wrote:
 
 
A large molasses tank in Norfolk, Virginia, was converted into a restaurant. Here is a link that includes a photo of the tank before its renovation:
 
 
Ken Montero
On 08/08/2021 1:51 PM Jim Betz <jimbetz@...> wrote:
 
 
Dave/all,

  Molasses
  It the 30's thru the 50's a large percentage of homes/apts/etc. had a jar of
molasses for cooking.  If you take the population of Oregon and the southern
third of so of Washington and divide it by - let's be generous and use 5 people
per household - and then also estimate how many jars per year were used (1.5 - 2)
... it adds up very quickly.  Larger families/households in that era would have
done a lot more home food preparation and so might have used a lot more
jars of molasses.
  I would think that molasses would be used more for canned foods (anything
needing a sweetener would be a candidate but most assuredly apple butter)
than for cattle feed ... in the 30's.

  Vegetable oils would probably account for more then 66% of the storage
capacity (i.e. use relative to molasses).  Probably up to 80 or even 90?

  Barrels would be for relatively small orders - I'm thinking 10 at a time at
most.  That can still use up all of the wood barrels in the photo.  Since there
are so many it is possible/likely that some/all of them are stored for "the
next ship taking barrels"?
                                                                                                - Jim


Re: image of a bulk oil dealership

Larry Rice
 

Greetings,

The company name of the facility in question is/was Pacific Molasses Company. They were associated with Matson Shipping, hence the Hawaiian connection. Matson operated out of Terminal Four as well.

Pacific did not process the molasses, but rather sold it to end users, often for feedstock to produce other compounds such as solvents, alcohol, etc. The poorer quality stuff went to feed producers, and I understand it, this part of the business continued to grow over time. A small amount was used by commercial baking operations, according to SP&S documents. The SP&S and UP both at times switched the facility and it was listed in the open reciprocal agreements.

Pacific also operated a similar terminal in the San Francisco Bay area.

Those aren't pipe loads at the rear of the photo, but are instead as someone suggested, logs.

Tim posted a photo of a yard and tank cars... to clarify, that photo is not of the Terminal Four area but rather it is of Willbridge Yard (SP&S) on the opposite bank (west)  of the Willamette River. The tank cars are a combination of petroleum products transloaded from coastal shipping for regional forwarding and chemical cars, often chlorine and sodium hydroxide, that were bound for the growing pulp industry in the Northwest.

Larry Rice
Port Townsnend  WA


Re: UP 66597 Wood Box (truss rod)

earlyrail
 

The UP car is part of series 65000-68499 in 1900
The H&TC flat part of series 2300-2535 in 1900
Did not check earlier for the above.
The OSL 19174 box is not listed in June 1905 but is listed in March 1907
Series 19000-19188  40' Furniture box

Howard Garner


Re: image of a bulk oil dealership

Scott H. Haycock
 

 
Virginia Beach in on the original Norfolk Southern Railway, my railroad of interest for layout and model building. I'm going to see what I can find out about this facility as a possible source for loads for my steam era tank cars.
 
If anyone else is looking into it, contact me off list @ shhaycockATcomcastDOTcom.
 
This thread has taught me the power of group research, and how quickly tons of info can surface in a short time with help! 

Scott Haycock
Modeling Tarheel country in the Land of Enchantm
ent

On 08/08/2021 12:38 PM Kenneth Montero <va661midlo@...> wrote:
 
 
A large molasses tank in Norfolk, Virginia, was converted into a restaurant. Here is a link that includes a photo of the tank before its renovation:
 
 
Ken Montero
On 08/08/2021 1:51 PM Jim Betz <jimbetz@...> wrote:
 
 
Dave/all,

  Molasses
  It the 30's thru the 50's a large percentage of homes/apts/etc. had a jar of
molasses for cooking.  If you take the population of Oregon and the southern
third of so of Washington and divide it by - let's be generous and use 5 people
per household - and then also estimate how many jars per year were used (1.5 - 2)
... it adds up very quickly.  Larger families/households in that era would have
done a lot more home food preparation and so might have used a lot more
jars of molasses.
  I would think that molasses would be used more for canned foods (anything
needing a sweetener would be a candidate but most assuredly apple butter)
than for cattle feed ... in the 30's.

  Vegetable oils would probably account for more then 66% of the storage
capacity (i.e. use relative to molasses).  Probably up to 80 or even 90?

  Barrels would be for relatively small orders - I'm thinking 10 at a time at
most.  That can still use up all of the wood barrels in the photo.  Since there
are so many it is possible/likely that some/all of them are stored for "the
next ship taking barrels"?
                                                                                                - Jim


Re: KEWANEE BOILER SHiPPING PLACARD

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

Thanks Bob:

I think that the wording is KEWANNE BOLER COMPANY  ?? ILLINOIS" and will proceed with this.

Bill



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From: "Bob Chaparro via groups.io" <chiefbobbb@...>
Date: 8/8/21 6:06 AM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] KEWANEE BOILER SHiPPING PLACARD

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Does this help? The third word is "Corporation".
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA

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