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Re: Lackawanna questions

Clark Propst
 

On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 12:10 PM, Jeff Helm wrote:
I like your car weights Clark, are those lead castings of whale teeth?
--

Jeff Helm

It's the lead off a bottom bouncer cut in two. If you aren't a Walleye fisherman you can google it  ;  ))
Clark


Re: Sunshine NYC Hopper Minikit?

Brian Carlson
 

Again, I don't think so. These hoppers are based on the USRA cars.

The USRA car diagram is here PRR GLd were USRA cars E-93171 - class GLd


The AAR standard offset cars diagram is attached'

The truck centers and length  over strikers are different and the AAR standard offset cars have the taper at the end three big things off the top. 

I'd still start with the Accurail USRA car. You might be able to use the MTH USRA car but it appears the grabs are not aligned on the MTH cars and that would drive me nuts.

Brian Carlson 




On Thursday, August 12, 2021, 06:03:10 PM EDT, Rich C via groups.io <rhcdmc@...> wrote:


Brian, Since you have to remove or do some carving on the original sides, I don't see why not. The AAR Alternate and AAR twins have 11 side stakes. The AAR Alternate has even spacing, the AAR does not.

I, to have one of those mini-kits floating around. When I find it, I can fill you in or send you a PDF on the work needed. 


Rich Christie
On Thursday, August 12, 2021, 01:09:17 PM CDT, Brian Carlson via groups.io <prrk41361@...> wrote:


I should add, the sunshine instructions say that Frank did the masters for the sides. I would not be unhappy if they made a return under the RCW banner.

Brian J. Carlson 

On Aug 12, 2021, at 1:54 PM, nyc3001 . <nyc3001@...> wrote:

I saw that Eric Hansmann had posted a photo of Brian Carlson's Sunshine NYC hopper mini-kit build.

Does anyone know if this hopper is close enough to Intermountain's Alternate Standard hopper to be the base model for an accurate kitbash? iirc, this prototype was built by MDT and numbered 2,000. Thus, I would probably want to build two.

Thanks,
Phil
Brian Carlson HO scale New York Central hopper


Re: Sunshine NYC Hopper Minikit?

Brian Carlson
 

I had these notes with the car at St Louis

The never-ending model build – NYC Offset Hopper

The never-ending model build – NYC Offset Hopper 
Sunshine Mini-kit (maybe the last) Remove ribs of Accurail USRA hopper, laminate new sides. Done. Seems simple enough. (Could have stopped here 3 Hour Project)
Oops snapped a stirrup step. Ok, I’ll remove them all and replace. 
Hmm, …not sure I like the thick grabs. shave them all off. Realize replacing them will be tedious, regret my life choices, Put project away “for awhile”. Summer 2021 come back to model, replace with wire. Including additional wire detail to end and side. 
Hmmm… Now looking at photos, the brake wheel, retaining valve, and brake step are in the wrong location. Well, I’ve gone this far. 
Remove the offending pieces carefully. Use Tichy parts for the brake wheel and step. Use a scrap box retainer for the retainer. 
Add trainline on side. 
Add (after painting) air hoses and top mounted uncoupling rods. Any one know of air hose bracket part like the one below
 


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On Thursday, August 12, 2021, 01:54:57 PM EDT, nyc3001 . <nyc3001@...> wrote:


I saw that Eric Hansmann had posted a photo of Brian Carlson's Sunshine NYC hopper mini-kit build.

Does anyone know if this hopper is close enough to Intermountain's Alternate Standard hopper to be the base model for an accurate kitbash? iirc, this prototype was built by MDT and numbered 2,000. Thus, I would probably want to build two.

Thanks,
Phil


Re: Sunshine NYC Hopper Minikit?

Rich C
 

Sorry, should have been directed to Phil. I need to pay better attention to the email

Rich Christie

On Thursday, August 12, 2021, 05:03:10 PM CDT, Rich C via groups.io <rhcdmc@...> wrote:


Brian, Since you have to remove or do some carving on the original sides, I don't see why not. The AAR Alternate and AAR twins have 11 side stakes. The AAR Alternate has even spacing, the AAR does not.

I, to have one of those mini-kits floating around. When I find it, I can fill you in or send you a PDF on the work needed. 


Rich Christie
On Thursday, August 12, 2021, 01:09:17 PM CDT, Brian Carlson via groups.io <prrk41361@...> wrote:


I should add, the sunshine instructions say that Frank did the masters for the sides. I would not be unhappy if they made a return under the RCW banner.

Brian J. Carlson 

On Aug 12, 2021, at 1:54 PM, nyc3001 . <nyc3001@...> wrote:

I saw that Eric Hansmann had posted a photo of Brian Carlson's Sunshine NYC hopper mini-kit build.

Does anyone know if this hopper is close enough to Intermountain's Alternate Standard hopper to be the base model for an accurate kitbash? iirc, this prototype was built by MDT and numbered 2,000. Thus, I would probably want to build two.

Thanks,
Phil
Brian Carlson HO scale New York Central hopper


Re: Sunshine NYC Hopper Minikit?

Rich C
 

Brian, Since you have to remove or do some carving on the original sides, I don't see why not. The AAR Alternate and AAR twins have 11 side stakes. The AAR Alternate has even spacing, the AAR does not.

I, to have one of those mini-kits floating around. When I find it, I can fill you in or send you a PDF on the work needed. 


Rich Christie

On Thursday, August 12, 2021, 01:09:17 PM CDT, Brian Carlson via groups.io <prrk41361@...> wrote:


I should add, the sunshine instructions say that Frank did the masters for the sides. I would not be unhappy if they made a return under the RCW banner.

Brian J. Carlson 

On Aug 12, 2021, at 1:54 PM, nyc3001 . <nyc3001@...> wrote:

I saw that Eric Hansmann had posted a photo of Brian Carlson's Sunshine NYC hopper mini-kit build.

Does anyone know if this hopper is close enough to Intermountain's Alternate Standard hopper to be the base model for an accurate kitbash? iirc, this prototype was built by MDT and numbered 2,000. Thus, I would probably want to build two.

Thanks,
Phil
Brian Carlson HO scale New York Central hopper


Re: PFE 30-Ton "Built-up" Underframe

Dick Harley
 

Hello Don,

 

I am not a frequent reader of Groups.io.  I just have many other things that I think need my attention.

So I rely on other folks to alert me to this kind of question.

 

I did a lot of research on PFE wood ice reefer underframes last year and put much of the results of that on my SmugMug site:

https://harley-trains.smugmug.com/PFETrainPhotos/PFE-Wood-Ice-Reefers/Bettendorf-vs-Built-Up/

 

I have not yet updated my modeling info, and I should do that -  along with a bazillion other things.

https://harley-trains.smugmug.com/PFEModels

 

The Tichy R-40-4 underframe unmodified is good for the WP cars.

The Terry Wegmann R-30-18 underframe, sold by InterMountain, is good for the other RR Design or Built-up underframes.

There was a discussion last year on the STMFC list:

https://realstmfc.groups.io/g/main/topic/75910806#176466

 

Be careful of reference material from the 1980s.  We have learned a lot since then, and some thoughts have changed.

Also be careful of Mainline Modeler drawings.  They are notorious for having errors.

 

Don’t know what led you to believe that the p.26 drawing from Phil Da Costa was a 40-ton underframe.  It appears to be the same as the 444-C-2677 that I have posted, though his is mostly unreadable and cut off the drawing number.

 

Also, in spite of what Tichy says, their R-40-4 body is NOT the same as an R-30/40-9 body.  So either resin kit bodies or the Red Caboose “tall” body can be used in HO for models of -9 cars.  The differences between a 30-ton and 40-ton PFE RR Design underframe are not noticeable in HO scale.

 

 

Lots of stuff on my SmugMug site.  Feel free to browse around.

 

 

Hope this helps,

Dick Harley

Laguna Beach,  CA



 


Re: Lackawanna questions

Clark Propst
 

It's called 'Embellishing'   ;  )) 78 holes for real adding in the sill steps. Still have a few holes to drill in the underframe for brake rigging.

Done for today, time for a beer or two...Finishing up tomorrow.
Clark


Re: UP B-50-19 Lettering Question

Dick Harley
 


Thanks to Mel Perry for pointing Irv toward me.  I am not a frequent reader of any Groups.io.

I do not yet have a copy of RP CYC #35, so I don't have the photo Irv referenced.  So I will do some educated speculating.

The build, renumber and retirement records for those boxcars (and all other UP equipment) can be found, courtesy of Don Strack, at:
https://donstrack.smugmug.com/UtahRails/Union-Pacific-Equipment-Record
Those records show that the original order for class B-50-19 was for 1000 cars, spilt evenly between two shops (though Omaha and Grand Island are not listed) and built 8-'36 to 5-'37.  The order was enlarged by 188 cars that were all built in Omaha.  The shop info is derived from UP Freight Car Diagrams.
(See https://harley-trains.smugmug.com/UPFreightDiagrams for UP freight car diagrams.)
Those last 188 cars (#182812 to 182999) were built in June and July of 1937.

Now here comes some speculation.  It is known (thanks to Terry Metcalfe and others) that UP started box and auto car slogans in 1936.  It is believed that they were initially white, but I know of no color photos to prove that.  It is also believed that those slogans were changed to Armour Yellow "within months" after initial applications.  Since the B-50-19 class was built by UP, they could change lettering at will during the build, and I suspect that the slogan color was changed during the build - but have no proof if or when.  So, I would pick a car number from the last 188 cars and use yellow slogans and feel fairly confident that is was true.

There were apparently different versions of the ROTS slogan in CS Roman style, which are also not well documented with photos.

I know of no one making those slogan decals in White and would not recommend it.


Hope this helps,
Dick Harley
Laguna Beach,  CA


New kit from Yarmouth Model Works

Pierre Oliver
 

Good day fellows
See this blog post for more info
https://elgincarshops.blogspot.com/2021/08/new-kit-from-yarmouth-model-works.html

--
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com


Re: Lackawanna questions

Todd Sullivan
 

Nice progress, Clark.  Still looks like a very clean build.

Todd Sullivan


Rapido - USRA SS Boxcar change / USRA SS Boxcar CPR "Clone"

Gerald Henriksen
 

The recently announced USRA Single Sheathed Boxcar has a change at
ther request of PRR and B&O modellers

Those 2 roadnames will now come with a Hutchins Roof

Updated PDF -
https://files.constantcontact.com/b02e8bb6001/abc9358b-6a47-43d5-9bd6-1922b3531a30.pdf

They have also announced CP's "clone" of the USRA Single Sheathed
Boxcar, with different ends and other differences

PDF -
https://files.constantcontact.com/b02e8bb6001/29f52dad-f151-4ba5-8c79-0b22a13c7ed0.pdf


Re: Photo: Rutland Boxcar (1956) (Added: Also New MEC PS-1)

Ed Hawkins
 



On Aug 12, 2021, at 1:06 PM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

Photo: Rutland Boxcar (1956)
Photo from the Pullman Library:
Sorry, the coverage of my small library of Equipment Registers does not contain information on this car.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Bob, 
The car in the photo, Rutland 378, was one of 101 PS-1 box cars, series 300-399 & one replacement car no. 223, built 8-56 in P-S lot 8300 at the Pullman-Standard Michigan City plant. Each car came with 8’ door openings & Pullman doors, Universal hand brake, Apex Tri-lok running boards & brake step, and A-3 Ride Control trucks. 

Approximately 22 years ago Kadee offered an accurate model of this exact car number (Kadee #5119). More recently about 5 years ago was Rutland 345 from the same series (Kadee #5256). Both are discontinued, i.e.; sold out at Kadee. 

On an unrelated mention, the Kadee web site is showing the release of 40’-6” PS-1 box car MEC 6730, series 6500-6749, built 10-47, P-S lot 5877. It’s one of just 8 lot numbers of the early 40’-6” PS-1 box cars having the Pullman welded roof, 6 lots of which match-up to available Kadee car bodies with either 6’ or 7’ door openings & 10-panel welded sides. The two other lots came with 12-panel welded sides. 


Full disclosure: While I do assist Kadee Quality Products with projects from time to time, I am not affiliated with the company in any way.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: Intermountain display at Collinsville

Eric Mumper
 

Group,

My previous post contained a bit of an error that should have been obvious to a CB&Q modeler such as myself.  It turns out at least one series of cars was built with a flat panel welded roof and the type 3 hatch and latching mechanism.  The first group of Q cars built at Galesburg and numbered 180000 to 180099 were so equipped.  They also had Klasing hand brakes which were once offered as Shapeways parts from Resin Car Works but are now available as fine styrene moldings from Tangent.

Eric Mumper


Re: Lackawanna questions

 

If he dosn’t, I think I have parts for one more. 

Thanks!
Brian Ehni 
(Sent from my iPhone)

On Aug 12, 2021, at 1:55 PM, Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:

I hope you have a motorized drill to make all the holes for 600 grab irons. 

How are you only drilling 1000 holes for 600 grabs?


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On Aug 12, 2021, at 1:15 PM, Clark Propst via groups.io <cepropst@...> wrote:

Ok, here's the carbody as built and after rebuilding - literally! Had to cut down the width of the Red Caboose roof. I believe in one of the responses it was mentioned the cars received steel running boards with the new roof?
Time to drill a thousand holes in the thing and add six hundred grab irons....
Clark Propst
<DL_W roof 1.jpg>
<DL_W roof 2.jpg>


Re: Lackawanna questions

Jeff Helm
 

I like your car weights Clark, are those lead castings of whale teeth?
--
Cheers

Jeff Helm
The Olympic Peninsula Branch
https://olympicpeninsulabranch.blogspot.com/


Re: Lackawanna questions

Tom Madden
 

On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 12:55 PM, Eric Hansmann wrote:
I hope you have a motorized drill to make all the holes for 600 grab irons. 
 
How are you only drilling 1000 holes for 600 grabs?
Clark uses "L" shaped drill bits so he can drill both grab iron mounting holes at the corners where the sides and ends meet at once.

Tom Madden
 


Re: Lackawanna questions

Eric Hansmann
 

I hope you have a motorized drill to make all the holes for 600 grab irons. 

How are you only drilling 1000 holes for 600 grabs?


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On Aug 12, 2021, at 1:15 PM, Clark Propst via groups.io <cepropst@...> wrote:

Ok, here's the carbody as built and after rebuilding - literally! Had to cut down the width of the Red Caboose roof. I believe in one of the responses it was mentioned the cars received steel running boards with the new roof?
Time to drill a thousand holes in the thing and add six hundred grab irons....
Clark Propst
<DL_W roof 1.jpg>
<DL_W roof 2.jpg>


Re: Lackawanna 45000-45999

Clark Propst
 

CDS and Prime Mover decals offers the best artwork for these, using vintage typefaces.
.....Mike Del Vecchio

Thanks Mike and Tim. Mike I went to the Prime Mover site, I didn't see any listings for any DLW box cars. Just cabooses and passenger cars. Was I looking in the wrong place?
Clark Propst 


Re: Lackawanna questions

Clark Propst
 

Ok, here's the carbody as built and after rebuilding - literally! Had to cut down the width of the Red Caboose roof. I believe in one of the responses it was mentioned the cars received steel running boards with the new roof?
Time to drill a thousand holes in the thing and add six hundred grab irons....
Clark Propst


Re: Sunshine NYC Hopper Minikit?

Brian Carlson
 

I should add, the sunshine instructions say that Frank did the masters for the sides. I would not be unhappy if they made a return under the RCW banner.

Brian J. Carlson 

On Aug 12, 2021, at 1:54 PM, nyc3001 . <nyc3001@...> wrote:

I saw that Eric Hansmann had posted a photo of Brian Carlson's Sunshine NYC hopper mini-kit build.

Does anyone know if this hopper is close enough to Intermountain's Alternate Standard hopper to be the base model for an accurate kitbash? iirc, this prototype was built by MDT and numbered 2,000. Thus, I would probably want to build two.

Thanks,
Phil
Brian Carlson HO scale New York Central hopper

6221 - 6240 of 192652