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Re: Additional interesting loads from the EJ&E

Charles Happel
 

The second and third pictures appear to be taken at Roundout, IL, where the EJ&E interchanges with the Milwaukee Road.
Chuck Happel

“The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts.”
Bertrand Russell


On Friday, August 13, 2021, 04:03:11 PM EDT, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:


Folks,


From the same collection as the photos Bob has posted

http://www.ejearchive.com/index.php?/albums/official-loads/content/co-loads-315/lightbox/

http://www.ejearchive.com/index.php?/albums/official-loads/content/co-loads-314/lightbox/

http://www.ejearchive.com/index.php?/albums/official-loads/content/co-loads-313/lightbox/

http://www.ejearchive.com/index.php?/albums/official-loads/content/co-loads-312/lightbox/

 

The load (which looks like a refinery cracking tower, or kiln of some sort) is carried on 4 flat cars. The wider end is on a Milwaukee, 4-truck flat car. Interestingly, just behind this is a 1942 built Milwaukee Road gun flat. There is another MILW gun flat at the other end.

 

Regards,

Bruce Smith
Auburn AL

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of "Bob Chaparro via groups.io" <chiefbobbb@...>
Reply-To: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Friday, August 13, 2021 at 12:08 PM
To: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [EXT] [RealSTMFC] Photo: Unusual Load On HD Flat Cat

 

CAUTION: Email Originated Outside of Auburn.

Photo: Unusual Load On HD Flat Cat

Photo from the Elgin, Joliet & Eastern Railway Archive:

http://www.ejearchive.com/index.php?/albums/official-loads/content/co-loads-307/lightbox/

No caption to indicate what this load is. Anyone?

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Rock Island decals

Richard Townsend
 

Does anyone make HO scale decals for a CRI&P single-sheathed boxcar with three panels on each side of the door?

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


Additional interesting loads from the EJ&E

Bruce Smith
 

Folks,


From the same collection as the photos Bob has posted

http://www.ejearchive.com/index.php?/albums/official-loads/content/co-loads-315/lightbox/

http://www.ejearchive.com/index.php?/albums/official-loads/content/co-loads-314/lightbox/

http://www.ejearchive.com/index.php?/albums/official-loads/content/co-loads-313/lightbox/

http://www.ejearchive.com/index.php?/albums/official-loads/content/co-loads-312/lightbox/

 

The load (which looks like a refinery cracking tower, or kiln of some sort) is carried on 4 flat cars. The wider end is on a Milwaukee, 4-truck flat car. Interestingly, just behind this is a 1942 built Milwaukee Road gun flat. There is another MILW gun flat at the other end.

 

Regards,

Bruce Smith
Auburn AL

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of "Bob Chaparro via groups.io" <chiefbobbb@...>
Reply-To: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Friday, August 13, 2021 at 12:08 PM
To: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [EXT] [RealSTMFC] Photo: Unusual Load On HD Flat Cat

 

CAUTION: Email Originated Outside of Auburn.

Photo: Unusual Load On HD Flat Cat

Photo from the Elgin, Joliet & Eastern Railway Archive:

http://www.ejearchive.com/index.php?/albums/official-loads/content/co-loads-307/lightbox/

No caption to indicate what this load is. Anyone?

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Barkley Better Boxes

Steve SANDIFER
 

Assuming he shows up at the Greater Houston Train Show tomorrow (he has a booth) I will give this email to him.

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jerry Michels
Sent: Friday, August 13, 2021 8:28 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Barkley Better Boxes

 

I've tried email and telephone.  No answer. Jerry Michels


Re: Sunshine NYC Hopper Minikit?

Bob Chapman
 

Not a Sunshine minikit, but looking at Brian's NYC photo -- L&N had a similar car, which I did a while back. The sides are spliced Athearn quad and the hoppers Athearn twin, plus some scratchbuilding. Haven't tried to check the L&N prototype dimensions vs. the NYC car, but I recall the L&N prototype being a bit larger than the similar IC car that Sunshine did. 

For anyone interested in this modeling approach, there's a complete how-to in Ted C's Prototype Railroad Modeling, Volume 3.

Regards,
Bob Chapman




Photos: Chemical Vessel Loads

Bob Chaparro
 


Photo: NKP And Other Flat Cars With Beam Girder Load

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: NKP And Other Flat Cars With Beam Girder Load

Photo from the Elgin, Joliet & Eastern Railway Archive:

http://www.ejearchive.com/index.php?/albums/official-loads/content/co-loads-323/lightbox/

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: Unusual Load On HD Flat Cat

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Unusual Load On HD Flat Cat

Photo from the Elgin, Joliet & Eastern Railway Archive:

http://www.ejearchive.com/index.php?/albums/official-loads/content/co-loads-307/lightbox/

No caption to indicate what this load is. Anyone?

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: St. Louis RPM wrap up

Jay Styron
 

Eric,
I liked your photos, with their stroke frames, giving them a “formal portrait” look. Great job!
Jay Styron


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Rapido - USRA SS Boxcar change / USRA SS Boxcar CPR "Clone"

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Guys;

Rapido has been very responsive to our pointing out of details like the rebuilds with Hutchins roofs and new doors.

Not everyone chooses to get things right.

Kudos to Rapido!

Elden Gatwood
PRRT&HS Modeling Committee

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Henriksen
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2021 3:40 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Rapido - USRA SS Boxcar change / USRA SS Boxcar CPR "Clone"


The recently announced USRA Single Sheathed Boxcar has a change at ther request of PRR and B&O modellers

Those 2 roadnames will now come with a Hutchins Roof

Updated PDF -
Blockedhttps://files.constantcontact.com/b02e8bb6001/abc9358b-6a47-43d5-9bd6-1922b3531a30.pdf

They have also announced CP's "clone" of the USRA Single Sheathed Boxcar, with different ends and other differences

PDF -
Blockedhttps://files.constantcontact.com/b02e8bb6001/29f52dad-f151-4ba5-8c79-0b22a13c7ed0.pdf


Re: Barkley Better Boxes

Jerry Michels
 

I've tried email and telephone.  No answer. Jerry Michels


Re: [EXT] [RealSTMFC] Flat car PRR 474194 with load taken in 1977

RICH CHAPIN
 

That's an Owens-Corning Figerglass tank. Looks like a 20,000 tank OC sold their 3 plant in 1995 to Fluid Containment. One of those plants was in Mt Union PA. 

Nice Slide.

Rich Chapin
Basking Ridge NJ


Re: Sunshine NYC Hopper Minikit?

nyc3001 .
 

Thanks guys. I severely misworded the original question. I don't have one of these minikits, but was wondering if the Alternate Standard hopper was similar enough dimensionally. Now I see that it isn't.

I would be happy to see these come back as well. If the NYCSHS is able to work with a manufacturer and produce the postwar 31'6" offset-side hopper as has been planned, the only apparent missing major holes in the NYC transition-era 2-bay hopper fleet would be the Common Standard hoppers.

-Phil


Re: Lackawanna questions

Clark Propst
 

On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 12:10 PM, Jeff Helm wrote:
I like your car weights Clark, are those lead castings of whale teeth?
--

Jeff Helm

It's the lead off a bottom bouncer cut in two. If you aren't a Walleye fisherman you can google it  ;  ))
Clark


Re: Sunshine NYC Hopper Minikit?

Brian Carlson
 

Again, I don't think so. These hoppers are based on the USRA cars.

The USRA car diagram is here PRR GLd were USRA cars E-93171 - class GLd


The AAR standard offset cars diagram is attached'

The truck centers and length  over strikers are different and the AAR standard offset cars have the taper at the end three big things off the top. 

I'd still start with the Accurail USRA car. You might be able to use the MTH USRA car but it appears the grabs are not aligned on the MTH cars and that would drive me nuts.

Brian Carlson 




On Thursday, August 12, 2021, 06:03:10 PM EDT, Rich C via groups.io <rhcdmc@...> wrote:


Brian, Since you have to remove or do some carving on the original sides, I don't see why not. The AAR Alternate and AAR twins have 11 side stakes. The AAR Alternate has even spacing, the AAR does not.

I, to have one of those mini-kits floating around. When I find it, I can fill you in or send you a PDF on the work needed. 


Rich Christie
On Thursday, August 12, 2021, 01:09:17 PM CDT, Brian Carlson via groups.io <prrk41361@...> wrote:


I should add, the sunshine instructions say that Frank did the masters for the sides. I would not be unhappy if they made a return under the RCW banner.

Brian J. Carlson 

On Aug 12, 2021, at 1:54 PM, nyc3001 . <nyc3001@...> wrote:

I saw that Eric Hansmann had posted a photo of Brian Carlson's Sunshine NYC hopper mini-kit build.

Does anyone know if this hopper is close enough to Intermountain's Alternate Standard hopper to be the base model for an accurate kitbash? iirc, this prototype was built by MDT and numbered 2,000. Thus, I would probably want to build two.

Thanks,
Phil
Brian Carlson HO scale New York Central hopper


Re: Sunshine NYC Hopper Minikit?

Brian Carlson
 

I had these notes with the car at St Louis

The never-ending model build – NYC Offset Hopper

The never-ending model build – NYC Offset Hopper 
Sunshine Mini-kit (maybe the last) Remove ribs of Accurail USRA hopper, laminate new sides. Done. Seems simple enough. (Could have stopped here 3 Hour Project)
Oops snapped a stirrup step. Ok, I’ll remove them all and replace. 
Hmm, …not sure I like the thick grabs. shave them all off. Realize replacing them will be tedious, regret my life choices, Put project away “for awhile”. Summer 2021 come back to model, replace with wire. Including additional wire detail to end and side. 
Hmmm… Now looking at photos, the brake wheel, retaining valve, and brake step are in the wrong location. Well, I’ve gone this far. 
Remove the offending pieces carefully. Use Tichy parts for the brake wheel and step. Use a scrap box retainer for the retainer. 
Add trainline on side. 
Add (after painting) air hoses and top mounted uncoupling rods. Any one know of air hose bracket part like the one below
 


Inline image

On Thursday, August 12, 2021, 01:54:57 PM EDT, nyc3001 . <nyc3001@...> wrote:


I saw that Eric Hansmann had posted a photo of Brian Carlson's Sunshine NYC hopper mini-kit build.

Does anyone know if this hopper is close enough to Intermountain's Alternate Standard hopper to be the base model for an accurate kitbash? iirc, this prototype was built by MDT and numbered 2,000. Thus, I would probably want to build two.

Thanks,
Phil


Re: Sunshine NYC Hopper Minikit?

Rich C
 

Sorry, should have been directed to Phil. I need to pay better attention to the email

Rich Christie

On Thursday, August 12, 2021, 05:03:10 PM CDT, Rich C via groups.io <rhcdmc@...> wrote:


Brian, Since you have to remove or do some carving on the original sides, I don't see why not. The AAR Alternate and AAR twins have 11 side stakes. The AAR Alternate has even spacing, the AAR does not.

I, to have one of those mini-kits floating around. When I find it, I can fill you in or send you a PDF on the work needed. 


Rich Christie
On Thursday, August 12, 2021, 01:09:17 PM CDT, Brian Carlson via groups.io <prrk41361@...> wrote:


I should add, the sunshine instructions say that Frank did the masters for the sides. I would not be unhappy if they made a return under the RCW banner.

Brian J. Carlson 

On Aug 12, 2021, at 1:54 PM, nyc3001 . <nyc3001@...> wrote:

I saw that Eric Hansmann had posted a photo of Brian Carlson's Sunshine NYC hopper mini-kit build.

Does anyone know if this hopper is close enough to Intermountain's Alternate Standard hopper to be the base model for an accurate kitbash? iirc, this prototype was built by MDT and numbered 2,000. Thus, I would probably want to build two.

Thanks,
Phil
Brian Carlson HO scale New York Central hopper


Re: Sunshine NYC Hopper Minikit?

Rich C
 

Brian, Since you have to remove or do some carving on the original sides, I don't see why not. The AAR Alternate and AAR twins have 11 side stakes. The AAR Alternate has even spacing, the AAR does not.

I, to have one of those mini-kits floating around. When I find it, I can fill you in or send you a PDF on the work needed. 


Rich Christie

On Thursday, August 12, 2021, 01:09:17 PM CDT, Brian Carlson via groups.io <prrk41361@...> wrote:


I should add, the sunshine instructions say that Frank did the masters for the sides. I would not be unhappy if they made a return under the RCW banner.

Brian J. Carlson 

On Aug 12, 2021, at 1:54 PM, nyc3001 . <nyc3001@...> wrote:

I saw that Eric Hansmann had posted a photo of Brian Carlson's Sunshine NYC hopper mini-kit build.

Does anyone know if this hopper is close enough to Intermountain's Alternate Standard hopper to be the base model for an accurate kitbash? iirc, this prototype was built by MDT and numbered 2,000. Thus, I would probably want to build two.

Thanks,
Phil
Brian Carlson HO scale New York Central hopper


Re: PFE 30-Ton "Built-up" Underframe

Dick Harley
 

Hello Don,

 

I am not a frequent reader of Groups.io.  I just have many other things that I think need my attention.

So I rely on other folks to alert me to this kind of question.

 

I did a lot of research on PFE wood ice reefer underframes last year and put much of the results of that on my SmugMug site:

https://harley-trains.smugmug.com/PFETrainPhotos/PFE-Wood-Ice-Reefers/Bettendorf-vs-Built-Up/

 

I have not yet updated my modeling info, and I should do that -  along with a bazillion other things.

https://harley-trains.smugmug.com/PFEModels

 

The Tichy R-40-4 underframe unmodified is good for the WP cars.

The Terry Wegmann R-30-18 underframe, sold by InterMountain, is good for the other RR Design or Built-up underframes.

There was a discussion last year on the STMFC list:

https://realstmfc.groups.io/g/main/topic/75910806#176466

 

Be careful of reference material from the 1980s.  We have learned a lot since then, and some thoughts have changed.

Also be careful of Mainline Modeler drawings.  They are notorious for having errors.

 

Don’t know what led you to believe that the p.26 drawing from Phil Da Costa was a 40-ton underframe.  It appears to be the same as the 444-C-2677 that I have posted, though his is mostly unreadable and cut off the drawing number.

 

Also, in spite of what Tichy says, their R-40-4 body is NOT the same as an R-30/40-9 body.  So either resin kit bodies or the Red Caboose “tall” body can be used in HO for models of -9 cars.  The differences between a 30-ton and 40-ton PFE RR Design underframe are not noticeable in HO scale.

 

 

Lots of stuff on my SmugMug site.  Feel free to browse around.

 

 

Hope this helps,

Dick Harley

Laguna Beach,  CA



 


Re: Lackawanna questions

Clark Propst
 

It's called 'Embellishing'   ;  )) 78 holes for real adding in the sill steps. Still have a few holes to drill in the underframe for brake rigging.

Done for today, time for a beer or two...Finishing up tomorrow.
Clark

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