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Re: Photo: Leveling The Grain:

earlyrail
 

Level the grain to see how deep it is.  Then you can calculate weight (roughly)
'That is what the markings on the inside are for.
You want to make sure you load as much grain as possible without overloading.
Each grain has a different height marked.

Howard Garner


Re: Rock Island decals

Steve and Barb Hile
 

As I recall, Al Westerfield, at one time, intended to extend the Rock Island cars to include both the Murphy ended and the Dreadnaught ended cars in the lineup.  They are discussed in the documentation, but he never got around to doing them.

 

Rocket Express has also expressed interest, so they might be the one to two the kit or kits.

 

As a point of interest:  The 133xxx series was divided between two builders, ACF and Bettendorf and there was a small difference in the way that the roofs met the ends.  I think that I posted a comparison years ago and it is attached here, in case.

 

Steve Hile

 

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I suspect that means as soon as I finish my kitbash, Westerfield will bring out a kit for the car.

Richard Townsend

Lincoln City, OR

 

-----Original Message-----
From: al_brown03 <abrown@...>
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Sent: Sat, Aug 14, 2021 4:23 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Rock Island decals

The decals in Westerfield kit #6401 *do* include digits for car numbers in the 133XXX series: in fact, number 133804 is included right like that.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Re: Photo: Leveling The Grain:

Douglas Harding
 

My guess is the load was leveled to see if the load limit of the car had
been reached. Boxcars intended for grain loading had lines painted on the
inside of the car lining indicating the max limit for different kinds of
grain. Attached is a photo showing four different lines for four different
kinds of grain.

Doug Harding
www.iowacentralrr.org

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Soderblom
Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2021 8:54 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Leveling The Grain:

Could this have possibly mattered? After an hour over jointed rail on
branch line track all would have worked itself out.

Sent from my tricorder


Re: Rock Island decals

 

Rocket Express is already in the process of bringing out that kit.





Rich Christie

On Saturday, August 14, 2021, 07:39:48 PM CDT, Richard Townsend via groups.io <richtownsend@...> wrote:


I suspect that means as soon as I finish my kitbash, Westerfield will bring out a kit for the car.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: al_brown03 <abrown@...>
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Sent: Sat, Aug 14, 2021 4:23 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Rock Island decals

The decals in Westerfield kit #6401 *do* include digits for car numbers in the 133XXX series: in fact, number 133804 is included right like that.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Re: Photo: Leveling The Grain:

David Soderblom
 

Could this have possibly mattered? After an hour over jointed rail on branch line track all would have worked itself out.

Sent from my tricorder


Re: Canisters In Gondolas

Bruce Smith
 

Brian, Folks,

I cannot make out the reweigh date. It looks like it might be 12-37?  The car is listed in the 1943 ORER as a Contaitner car, without any special notes on the series.

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


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Here's a better view of the photo http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/nyc-501216.jpg on Terry Link's site. The stenciling on the canister's does indicate petroleum products. The ORER for the timeframe MIGHT tell you what they were modified for. Although I wouldn't be surprised is this mod was noted in Railway Age of the time. 
Brian Carlson
On Saturday, August 14, 2021, 08:16:37 PM EDT, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:


Canisters In Gondolas

I understand that canisters were used for cement and possibly other powdered products.

Here is a photo (sorry, poor quality) of canisters in a gondola that indicate the contents are a petroleum product.

Does anyone know what petroleum products typically were shipped in canisters?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Canisters In Gondolas

Douglas Harding
 

The containers read:

Petroleum Products

Flash Point above 80 F

Keep Lights and

Fires Away

 

Below on the card side it reads:

This car and containers

For handling

Petroleum Products

Must not be used

In any other service

 

The next panel over reads:

Car equipped to

Carry LCL

Containers

Must not be used

In any other service

 

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

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Here's a better view of the photo http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/nyc-501216.jpg on Terry Link's site. The stenciling on the canister's does indicate petroleum products. The ORER for the timeframe MIGHT tell you what they were modified for. Although I wouldn't be surprised is this mod was noted in Railway Age of the time. 

Brian Carlson

On Saturday, August 14, 2021, 08:16:37 PM EDT, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

 

 

Canisters In Gondolas

I understand that canisters were used for cement and possibly other powdered products.

Here is a photo (sorry, poor quality) of canisters in a gondola that indicate the contents are a petroleum product.

Does anyone know what petroleum products typically were shipped in canisters?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Canisters In Gondolas

Brian Carlson
 

Here's a better view of the photo http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/nyc-501216.jpg on Terry Link's site. The stenciling on the canister's does indicate petroleum products. The ORER for the timeframe MIGHT tell you what they were modified for. Although I wouldn't be surprised is this mod was noted in Railway Age of the time. 
Brian Carlson

On Saturday, August 14, 2021, 08:16:37 PM EDT, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:


Canisters In Gondolas

I understand that canisters were used for cement and possibly other powdered products.

Here is a photo (sorry, poor quality) of canisters in a gondola that indicate the contents are a petroleum product.

Does anyone know what petroleum products typically were shipped in canisters?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: [EXT] [RealSTMFC] Canisters In Gondolas

Bruce Smith
 

Bob,

During early WWII, some containers were converted to use hauling crude oil due to a shortage of tank cars. I'm nto sure that is what these containers are doing though.

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


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To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [EXT] [RealSTMFC] Canisters In Gondolas
 
CAUTION: Email Originated Outside of Auburn.

Canisters In Gondolas

I understand that canisters were used for cement and possibly other powdered products.

Here is a photo (sorry, poor quality) of canisters in a gondola that indicate the contents are a petroleum product.

Does anyone know what petroleum products typically were shipped in canisters?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Rock Island decals

Richard Townsend
 

I suspect that means as soon as I finish my kitbash, Westerfield will bring out a kit for the car.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: al_brown03 <abrown@...>
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Sent: Sat, Aug 14, 2021 4:23 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Rock Island decals

The decals in Westerfield kit #6401 *do* include digits for car numbers in the 133XXX series: in fact, number 133804 is included right like that.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Re: Canisters In Gondolas

Brian Carlson
 

Those are air activated cement canisters. I can read anything that says petroleum. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On Aug 14, 2021, at 8:16 PM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:



Canisters In Gondolas

I understand that canisters were used for cement and possibly other powdered products.

Here is a photo (sorry, poor quality) of canisters in a gondola that indicate the contents are a petroleum product.

Does anyone know what petroleum products typically were shipped in canisters?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

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Re: Rock Island decals

Richard Townsend
 

That's cool! Thanks so much!

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: al_brown03 <abrown@...>
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Sent: Sat, Aug 14, 2021 4:23 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Rock Island decals

The decals in Westerfield kit #6401 *do* include digits for car numbers in the 133XXX series: in fact, number 133804 is included right like that.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Canisters In Gondolas

Bob Chaparro
 

Canisters In Gondolas

I understand that canisters were used for cement and possibly other powdered products.

Here is a photo (sorry, poor quality) of canisters in a gondola that indicate the contents are a petroleum product.

Does anyone know what petroleum products typically were shipped in canisters?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: Leveling The Grain:

Brian Carlson
 

Grain that was at unequal levels inside the car could cause disastrous damage upon a quick stop or even hard coupling. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On Aug 14, 2021, at 7:38 PM, John Mateyko <rattler21@...> wrote:



Bob,
Why would the grain need to be level?  Bulk potatoes usually are shipped humped in the center.  

John Mateyko


Re: Photo: Leveling The Grain:

John Mateyko
 

Bob,
Why would the grain need to be level?  Bulk potatoes usually are shipped humped in the center.  

John Mateyko


Re: Rock Island decals

al_brown03
 

The decals in Westerfield kit #6401 *do* include digits for car numbers in the 133XXX series: in fact, number 133804 is included right like that.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Re: Rock Island decals

Richard Townsend
 

Thanks to all who replied. It's for a 133000-series car, like this one: 

https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/CRIP-Mechanical-Engineer-Files/Freight-Cars-Wooden/i-9c8w6Hv/A

Mask Island was the first place I went to when I got this idea. Unfortunately, no joy. There were 1,000 cars in this series so there's a sufficient number for them to not be too obscure. Any interest in adding this to the Mask Island line?

The Westerfield decals look like they could work, at least the road name and the reporting marks. I don't know if they include the proper digits for the car number 133XXX. I doubt they do. Those double threes look to be a problem. This is a fun little kitbash I am working on and rather not have to invest in multiple decal sets just to get the needed digits.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Steve and Barb Hile <shile@...>
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Sent: Fri, Aug 13, 2021 7:18 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Rock Island decals

See some comments below in red.
 
Steve Hile
 
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jack Mullen
Sent: Friday, August 13, 2021 8:53 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Rock Island decals
 
On Fri, Aug 13, 2021 at 03:49 PM, Steve and Barb Hile wrote:
I presume that you mean the 1930 vintage cars
Or earlier ones ?  like
Or
 
 
Rocket Express has expressed some interest in doing cars like this second example, these were also later versions of the B2 cars.

Some differences in layout and content.  True, the Westerfield ones might be adaptable to the 1930’s vintage cars.

Jack Mullen
 


Re: Photos: Elgin, Joliet & Eastern Railway Rolling Stock

vapeurchapelon
 

Many thanks Richard - this makes sense, of course!
 
Johannes
 
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That looks like the operating control for the drop doors.
 
 
 

On Aug 14, 2021, at 10:17 AM, vapeurchapelon <j.markwart@...> wrote:
 

All: -this car has the hand brake wheel INSIDE the car, below the slope sheet!?:
 
 
WTF...?
 
Greetings
 
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1954
 
 
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Photos: Elgin, Joliet & Eastern Railway Rolling Stock

Photos from the Elgin, Joliet & Eastern Railway Archive:

http://www.ejearchive.com/index.php?/albums/official-rollingstock/

Click on the thumbnail photos to enlarge them.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photos: Elgin, Joliet & Eastern Railway Rolling Stock

Richard Townsend
 

That looks like the operating control for the drop doors.


On Aug 14, 2021, at 10:17 AM, vapeurchapelon <j.markwart@...> wrote:


All: -this car has the hand brake wheel INSIDE the car, below the slope sheet!?:
 
http://www.ejearchive.com/index.php?/albums/official-rollingstock/content/co-rollingstock-417/
 
WTF...?
 
Greetings
 
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1954
 
 
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Betreff: [RealSTMFC] Photos: Elgin, Joliet & Eastern Railway Rolling Stock

Photos: Elgin, Joliet & Eastern Railway Rolling Stock

Photos from the Elgin, Joliet & Eastern Railway Archive:

http://www.ejearchive.com/index.php?/albums/official-rollingstock/

Click on the thumbnail photos to enlarge them.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photos: Elgin, Joliet & Eastern Railway Rolling Stock

vapeurchapelon
 

All: -this car has the hand brake wheel INSIDE the car, below the slope sheet!?:
 
http://www.ejearchive.com/index.php?/albums/official-rollingstock/content/co-rollingstock-417/
 
WTF...?
 
Greetings
 
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1954
 
 
Gesendet: Samstag, 14. August 2021 um 19:10 Uhr
Von: "Bob Chaparro via groups.io" <chiefbobbb@...>
An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Betreff: [RealSTMFC] Photos: Elgin, Joliet & Eastern Railway Rolling Stock

Photos: Elgin, Joliet & Eastern Railway Rolling Stock

Photos from the Elgin, Joliet & Eastern Railway Archive:

http://www.ejearchive.com/index.php?/albums/official-rollingstock/

Click on the thumbnail photos to enlarge them.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

8981 - 9000 of 195468