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Re: Canisters In Gondolas

Brian Carlson
 

Those are air activated cement canisters. I can read anything that says petroleum. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On Aug 14, 2021, at 8:16 PM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:



Canisters In Gondolas

I understand that canisters were used for cement and possibly other powdered products.

Here is a photo (sorry, poor quality) of canisters in a gondola that indicate the contents are a petroleum product.

Does anyone know what petroleum products typically were shipped in canisters?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

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Re: Rock Island decals

Richard Townsend
 

That's cool! Thanks so much!

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: al_brown03 <abrown@...>
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Sent: Sat, Aug 14, 2021 4:23 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Rock Island decals

The decals in Westerfield kit #6401 *do* include digits for car numbers in the 133XXX series: in fact, number 133804 is included right like that.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Canisters In Gondolas

Bob Chaparro
 

Canisters In Gondolas

I understand that canisters were used for cement and possibly other powdered products.

Here is a photo (sorry, poor quality) of canisters in a gondola that indicate the contents are a petroleum product.

Does anyone know what petroleum products typically were shipped in canisters?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: Leveling The Grain:

Brian Carlson
 

Grain that was at unequal levels inside the car could cause disastrous damage upon a quick stop or even hard coupling. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On Aug 14, 2021, at 7:38 PM, John Mateyko <rattler21@...> wrote:



Bob,
Why would the grain need to be level?  Bulk potatoes usually are shipped humped in the center.  

John Mateyko


Re: Photo: Leveling The Grain:

John Mateyko
 

Bob,
Why would the grain need to be level?  Bulk potatoes usually are shipped humped in the center.  

John Mateyko


Re: Rock Island decals

al_brown03
 

The decals in Westerfield kit #6401 *do* include digits for car numbers in the 133XXX series: in fact, number 133804 is included right like that.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Re: Rock Island decals

Richard Townsend
 

Thanks to all who replied. It's for a 133000-series car, like this one: 

https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/CRIP-Mechanical-Engineer-Files/Freight-Cars-Wooden/i-9c8w6Hv/A

Mask Island was the first place I went to when I got this idea. Unfortunately, no joy. There were 1,000 cars in this series so there's a sufficient number for them to not be too obscure. Any interest in adding this to the Mask Island line?

The Westerfield decals look like they could work, at least the road name and the reporting marks. I don't know if they include the proper digits for the car number 133XXX. I doubt they do. Those double threes look to be a problem. This is a fun little kitbash I am working on and rather not have to invest in multiple decal sets just to get the needed digits.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Steve and Barb Hile <shile@...>
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Sent: Fri, Aug 13, 2021 7:18 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Rock Island decals

See some comments below in red.
 
Steve Hile
 
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jack Mullen
Sent: Friday, August 13, 2021 8:53 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Rock Island decals
 
On Fri, Aug 13, 2021 at 03:49 PM, Steve and Barb Hile wrote:
I presume that you mean the 1930 vintage cars
Or earlier ones ?  like
Or
 
 
Rocket Express has expressed some interest in doing cars like this second example, these were also later versions of the B2 cars.

Some differences in layout and content.  True, the Westerfield ones might be adaptable to the 1930’s vintage cars.

Jack Mullen
 


Re: Photos: Elgin, Joliet & Eastern Railway Rolling Stock

vapeurchapelon
 

Many thanks Richard - this makes sense, of course!
 
Johannes
 
Gesendet: Samstag, 14. August 2021 um 19:29 Uhr
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Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photos: Elgin, Joliet & Eastern Railway Rolling Stock
That looks like the operating control for the drop doors.
 
 
 

On Aug 14, 2021, at 10:17 AM, vapeurchapelon <j.markwart@...> wrote:
 

All: -this car has the hand brake wheel INSIDE the car, below the slope sheet!?:
 
 
WTF...?
 
Greetings
 
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1954
 
 
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Photos: Elgin, Joliet & Eastern Railway Rolling Stock

Photos from the Elgin, Joliet & Eastern Railway Archive:

http://www.ejearchive.com/index.php?/albums/official-rollingstock/

Click on the thumbnail photos to enlarge them.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photos: Elgin, Joliet & Eastern Railway Rolling Stock

Richard Townsend
 

That looks like the operating control for the drop doors.


On Aug 14, 2021, at 10:17 AM, vapeurchapelon <j.markwart@...> wrote:


All: -this car has the hand brake wheel INSIDE the car, below the slope sheet!?:
 
http://www.ejearchive.com/index.php?/albums/official-rollingstock/content/co-rollingstock-417/
 
WTF...?
 
Greetings
 
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1954
 
 
Gesendet: Samstag, 14. August 2021 um 19:10 Uhr
Von: "Bob Chaparro via groups.io" <chiefbobbb@...>
An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Betreff: [RealSTMFC] Photos: Elgin, Joliet & Eastern Railway Rolling Stock

Photos: Elgin, Joliet & Eastern Railway Rolling Stock

Photos from the Elgin, Joliet & Eastern Railway Archive:

http://www.ejearchive.com/index.php?/albums/official-rollingstock/

Click on the thumbnail photos to enlarge them.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photos: Elgin, Joliet & Eastern Railway Rolling Stock

vapeurchapelon
 

All: -this car has the hand brake wheel INSIDE the car, below the slope sheet!?:
 
http://www.ejearchive.com/index.php?/albums/official-rollingstock/content/co-rollingstock-417/
 
WTF...?
 
Greetings
 
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1954
 
 
Gesendet: Samstag, 14. August 2021 um 19:10 Uhr
Von: "Bob Chaparro via groups.io" <chiefbobbb@...>
An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Betreff: [RealSTMFC] Photos: Elgin, Joliet & Eastern Railway Rolling Stock

Photos: Elgin, Joliet & Eastern Railway Rolling Stock

Photos from the Elgin, Joliet & Eastern Railway Archive:

http://www.ejearchive.com/index.php?/albums/official-rollingstock/

Click on the thumbnail photos to enlarge them.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photos: Elgin, Joliet & Eastern Railway Rolling Stock

Bob Chaparro
 

Photos: Elgin, Joliet & Eastern Railway Rolling Stock

Photos from the Elgin, Joliet & Eastern Railway Archive:

http://www.ejearchive.com/index.php?/albums/official-rollingstock/

Click on the thumbnail photos to enlarge them.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: PFE 6199 (R-40-23)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: PFE 6199 (R-40-23)

Photo from Classic Trains:

https://www.trains.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/20210715.jpg

Caption:

“Pacific Fruit Express’s largest class of steel reefers was the 5,000 cars of R-40-23 starting in 1947. They had improved Dreadnaught ends, fans, and steel running boards. Mainline Photos photo”

The R-40-23 reefers originally came in two car number series, 5001-8000 and 46703-48702. AC&F, General American, Mt. Vernon Car Co., PC&F and Pullman-Standard each built 1,000 cars in 1947.

This was the first class of new PFE cars to receive the 1946 paint scheme, which featured the emblems of both railroads on each side with the SP emblem closest to the door.

By 1972 there still were 445 R-40-23 cars on the roster.

There is excellent coverage of the R-40-23 cars, with photos, in the PFE book: https://www.signaturepress.com/PFE/pfe2.html

Bob Chaparro

Moderator

Railroad Citrus Industry Modeling Group

https://groups.io/g/RailroadCitrusIndustryModelingGroup


Re: Photo: Michigan Central Automobile Boxcar

Tim O'Connor
 


Could this location be that CRAZY Jersey Central freight house in New York City?

Tim O'Connor


On 8/14/2021 12:16 PM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io wrote:

Photo: Michigan Central Automobile Boxcar

Photo from Classic Trains:

https://www.trains.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/20210701.jpg

Caption:

“New York Central (and subsidiary Michigan Central) had a large fleet of steel auto cars by the early 1920s. These had 10-foot door openings with 6- and 4-foot plate steel doors. New York Central photo”

Bob Chaparro



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Photo: Leveling The Grain:

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Leveling The Grain:

Photo from Classic Trains:

https://www.trains.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/20210730.jpg

Caption:

“It was important for boxcar loads of grain to be level. Sometimes workers had to enter the cars and level the loads by hand, as with this carload of wheat. Jeff Wilson collection”

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: Michigan Central Automobile Boxcar

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Michigan Central Automobile Boxcar

Photo from Classic Trains:

https://www.trains.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/20210701.jpg

Caption:

“New York Central (and subsidiary Michigan Central) had a large fleet of steel auto cars by the early 1920s. These had 10-foot door openings with 6- and 4-foot plate steel doors. New York Central photo”

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: USATC boxcars at Mt Union, PA

John Sykes III
 

I have a grab iron that "fell" off of one of them, some 30+ years ago.😉


Re: Photo: NKP And Other Flat Cars With Beam Girder Load

Dan Mansfield
 

Do not hump!


Re: USATC boxcars at Mt Union, PA

Tim O'Connor
 


I have also heard these were ex-BAR box cars. They certainly appear to fit the bill. :-)

Tim O'Connor


On 8/13/2021 9:55 PM, Jim Eager wrote:
Does anyone know if the original source and builder has been confirmed for the 15-16 US Army Transportation Corps 36ft single-sheathed boxcars that sat for years in the EBT yard at Mt Union PA? (Since scrapped and removed.) Several sources I found say they were ex-BAR as the outline of the BAR lettering could be seen under the peeling olive drab paint.
Jim Eager


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Lackawanna 45000-45999

Tim O'Connor
 

Scott

That is one of the Gerstley duplicate slides -- photo location is very likely SP's Taylor Yard in Los Angeles!

Tim O'Connor


On 8/13/2021 7:48 PM, Scott wrote:
What an amazing color photo Tim!!

I have this same kit in the stash as well.  The photos will be very helpful.

Thanks
Scott McDonald 

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Rock Island decals

Charlie Duckworth
 

Westerfield makes a set for his Fowler copy RI boxcar
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.

6141 - 6160 of 192618