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Re: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] Additional interesting loads from the EJ&E

Bruce Smith
 

Todd,

That was a major navy depot and naval barrels were stored there. I beleive that the logic was to keep vital materials away from the coasts so that they would not be targets for carrier airstrilkes or even limited land force incursions.

Regards,
Bruce 
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


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Bruce,

That's really interesting.  Why Pocatello,ID? 

Todd Sullivan.


Re: Additional interesting loads from the EJ&E

Todd Sullivan
 

Bruce,

That's really interesting.  Why Pocatello,ID? 

Todd Sullivan.


Facilities and Tank Cars?

Jim Betz
 

Hi,
  I don't remember ever hearing anyone comment on this topic.

  Were/are there any 'links' between a facility receiving a tank car and a specific
tank car line(s)?  For example, if you have a local distributor of Standard Oil
products was it more likely that the tank cars supplying that facility would be
from certain tank car lines than others?  And if the facility was Texaco would
it have gotten a different mix? 
  I know that certain reefers were much more likely to show up on certain RRs
than others (such as, for example, PFE on the SP).  I'm wondering if there
was (is?) the same kind of thing for tank cars ... ???
  STMFC era, of course.
                                                                                                           - Jim 


Re: MDC HO Milw short flat car prototype photo

Tim O'Connor
 


Ah yes, the famous 3,000 mm mortar barrel ! Could launch an entire platoon of infantry over the walls of a fort. :-)


On 8/20/2021 8:15 AM, Andy Carlson wrote:

2nd sending; seems first never arrived.
-AC

Look familiar? Date and location not noted.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

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--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Additional interesting loads from the EJ&E

Tim O'Connor
 


They were used in naval gun barrel service to Bremerton, Washington. The PRR also
had such flat cars. Barrels would be mounted on swivels to go around curves. AMB
makes HO scale laser cut parts to model the swivels.

Tim O'Connor


On 8/13/2021 7:02 PM, Robert G P wrote:
Can anyone tell me why the MLW cars are referred to as gun flats? Thanks in advance!


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Massive period B&W Ed Wilkommen Freight Car collection

Andy Carlson
 

I have spent hours viewing just the start of this on-line collection of freight cars. None are dated or located. Water marks are quite visible but the web site offers photos for purchase.

Enjoy only when you have a lot of time.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


MDC HO Milw short flat car prototype photo

Andy Carlson
 


2nd sending; seems first never arrived.
-AC
Inline image
Look familiar? Date and location not noted.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


Re: Additional interesting loads from the EJ&E

Bruce Smith
 

Robert,

I will add that the Milwaukee Road flats were built specifically for hauling large naval gun barrels. Immediately following their construction, they were leased to the Union Pacific and were placed in service hauling barrels from Pocatello to Bremerton.

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


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For same reason the PRR F22 and F23 were called gun flats (gun trucks in ancient usage).

See for example http://prr.railfan.net/diagrams/PRRdiagrams.html?diag=F22.gif&sel=flat&sz=lg

Little short cars rated to carry heavy loads, 95 tons in the case of the PRR cars. Often operated in groups of 2 or more connected by bridge pieces to support really heavy loads such as naval and coast artillery gun barrels.

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From: "Robert G P" <bobgp5109@...>
To: "main" <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Additional interesting loads from the EJ&E

Can anyone tell me why the MLW cars are referred to as gun flats? Thanks in
advance!

On Fri, Aug 13, 2021 at 5:29 PM Charles Happel via groups.io <cghappel2001=
yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

> The second and third pictures appear to be taken at Roundout, IL, where
> the EJ&E interchanges with the Milwaukee Road.
> Chuck Happel
>
> “The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so
> certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts.”
> Bertrand Russell
>
>
> On Friday, August 13, 2021, 04:03:11 PM EDT, Bruce Smith <
> smithbf@...> wrote:
>
>
> Folks,
>
>
> From the same collection as the photos Bob has posted
>
>
> http://www.ejearchive.com/index.php?/albums/official-loads/content/co-loads-315/lightbox/
>
>
> http://www.ejearchive.com/index.php?/albums/official-loads/content/co-loads-314/lightbox/
>
>
> http://www.ejearchive.com/index.php?/albums/official-loads/content/co-loads-313/lightbox/
>
>
> http://www.ejearchive.com/index.php?/albums/official-loads/content/co-loads-312/lightbox/
>
>
>
> The load (which looks like a refinery cracking tower, or kiln of some
> sort) is carried on 4 flat cars. The wider end is on a Milwaukee, 4-truck
> flat car. Interestingly, just behind this is a 1942 built Milwaukee Road
> gun flat. There is another MILW gun flat at the other end.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Bruce Smith
> Auburn AL
>
>
>
> *From: *<main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of "Bob Chaparro via
> groups.io" <chiefbobbb@...>
> *Reply-To: *"main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
> *Date: *Friday, August 13, 2021 at 12:08 PM
> *To: *"main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
> *Subject: *[EXT] [RealSTMFC] Photo: Unusual Load On HD Flat Cat
>
>
>
> *CAUTION: Email Originated Outside of Auburn.*
>
> Photo: Unusual Load On HD Flat Cat
>
> Photo from the Elgin, Joliet & Eastern Railway Archive:
>
>
> http://www.ejearchive.com/index.php?/albums/official-loads/content/co-loads-307/lightbox/
>
> No caption to indicate what this load is. Anyone?
>
> Bob Chaparro
>
> Hemet, CA
>
>
>
>



--
Bob Netzlof a/k/a Sweet Old Bob






Re: Additional interesting loads from the EJ&E

robert netzlof <rtnetzlof@...>
 

For same reason the PRR F22 and F23 were called gun flats (gun trucks in ancient usage).

See for example http://prr.railfan.net/diagrams/PRRdiagrams.html?diag=F22.gif&sel=flat&sz=lg

Little short cars rated to carry heavy loads, 95 tons in the case of the PRR cars. Often operated in groups of 2 or more connected by bridge pieces to support really heavy loads such as naval and coast artillery gun barrels.

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Sent: Friday, August 13, 2021 7:02:02 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Additional interesting loads from the EJ&E

Can anyone tell me why the MLW cars are referred to as gun flats? Thanks in
advance!

On Fri, Aug 13, 2021 at 5:29 PM Charles Happel via groups.io <cghappel2001=
yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

The second and third pictures appear to be taken at Roundout, IL, where
the EJ&E interchanges with the Milwaukee Road.
Chuck Happel

“The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so
certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts.”
Bertrand Russell


On Friday, August 13, 2021, 04:03:11 PM EDT, Bruce Smith <
smithbf@auburn.edu> wrote:


Folks,


From the same collection as the photos Bob has posted


http://www.ejearchive.com/index.php?/albums/official-loads/content/co-loads-315/lightbox/


http://www.ejearchive.com/index.php?/albums/official-loads/content/co-loads-314/lightbox/


http://www.ejearchive.com/index.php?/albums/official-loads/content/co-loads-313/lightbox/


http://www.ejearchive.com/index.php?/albums/official-loads/content/co-loads-312/lightbox/



The load (which looks like a refinery cracking tower, or kiln of some
sort) is carried on 4 flat cars. The wider end is on a Milwaukee, 4-truck
flat car. Interestingly, just behind this is a 1942 built Milwaukee Road
gun flat. There is another MILW gun flat at the other end.



Regards,

Bruce Smith
Auburn AL



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*Subject: *[EXT] [RealSTMFC] Photo: Unusual Load On HD Flat Cat



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Photo: Unusual Load On HD Flat Cat

Photo from the Elgin, Joliet & Eastern Railway Archive:


http://www.ejearchive.com/index.php?/albums/official-loads/content/co-loads-307/lightbox/

No caption to indicate what this load is. Anyone?

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA





--
Bob Netzlof a/k/a Sweet Old Bob


Re: Look at that roof

Drew Bunn
 

Jason, 

     Don't forget bent lock rods and wheels on plug door cars.

     I've heard that an overzealous forklift operator can push a plug door completely off the door tracks and off the car.
________________
Drew Bunn

Burlington,  ON
drew.r.bunn@...
905 483 0758


On Thu., Aug. 19, 2021, 23:15 Jason P, <gmo1515@...> wrote:
I've noticed similar roof bulges in modern boxcars that are currently in service. As Jim said it was likely due to an errant forklift maneuver at some point. At a weathering clinic many years ago, a person pointed out the scratches/gouges that are sometimes seen to the right of a boxcar door. While sometimes these could be due to the door rubbing the car side, it is often due to a forklift tynes being used to push the door closed. If the tyne slips off the door during this moove it can result in those scratches which will eventually cause a rust streak.

-Jason P
Helena AL


Re: Look at that roof

Jason P
 

I've noticed similar roof bulges in modern boxcars that are currently in service. As Jim said it was likely due to an errant forklift maneuver at some point. At a weathering clinic many years ago, a person pointed out the scratches/gouges that are sometimes seen to the right of a boxcar door. While sometimes these could be due to the door rubbing the car side, it is often due to a forklift tynes being used to push the door closed. If the tyne slips off the door during this moove it can result in those scratches which will eventually cause a rust streak.

-Jason P
Helena AL


Re: Additional interesting loads from the EJ&E

Robert G P
 

Can anyone tell me why the MLW cars are referred to as gun flats? Thanks in advance!


On Fri, Aug 13, 2021 at 5:29 PM Charles Happel via groups.io <cghappel2001=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
The second and third pictures appear to be taken at Roundout, IL, where the EJ&E interchanges with the Milwaukee Road.
Chuck Happel

“The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts.”
Bertrand Russell


On Friday, August 13, 2021, 04:03:11 PM EDT, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:


Folks,


From the same collection as the photos Bob has posted

http://www.ejearchive.com/index.php?/albums/official-loads/content/co-loads-315/lightbox/

http://www.ejearchive.com/index.php?/albums/official-loads/content/co-loads-314/lightbox/

http://www.ejearchive.com/index.php?/albums/official-loads/content/co-loads-313/lightbox/

http://www.ejearchive.com/index.php?/albums/official-loads/content/co-loads-312/lightbox/

 

The load (which looks like a refinery cracking tower, or kiln of some sort) is carried on 4 flat cars. The wider end is on a Milwaukee, 4-truck flat car. Interestingly, just behind this is a 1942 built Milwaukee Road gun flat. There is another MILW gun flat at the other end.

 

Regards,

Bruce Smith
Auburn AL

 

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Subject: [EXT] [RealSTMFC] Photo: Unusual Load On HD Flat Cat

 

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Photo: Unusual Load On HD Flat Cat

Photo from the Elgin, Joliet & Eastern Railway Archive:

http://www.ejearchive.com/index.php?/albums/official-loads/content/co-loads-307/lightbox/

No caption to indicate what this load is. Anyone?

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Lackawanna 45000-45999

bigfourroad
 

Glad it's coming together for you now. These DL&W billboard cars are a hit when seen in a train.
Chris R. 


Re: Photo: Wheeling & Lake Erie Truss Rod Gondola 43357 (1925)

Eric Hansmann
 

The W&LE gon has an April 1905 weigh date stencil. It can’t be a 1925 photo. 

There were only five wood gons in the 43000-43999 series on the 1926 W&LE roster. I doubt they looked this nice. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On Aug 19, 2021, at 11:09 AM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

Photo: Wheeling & Lake Erie Truss Rod Gondola 43357 (1925)

Photo courtesy of Chris Ellis:

https://tinyurl.com/dwh27wx3

Taken at Brewster, Ohio.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Southern Pacific BCR by Tru-Color

Ken Adams
 

Just an note for those of you who like to use acrylics instead of more toxic solvent based paints.  I just reverified with new color tests (for test, brushed not sprayed) that Vallejo 70.814 Burnt Red is within a few wavelengths to my old eyes of TCP-211 after the Vallejo had been brushed with J&J Pledge/Revive it Floor Gloss (the current branding.)   I run these tests every once in a while to keep myself convinced that I don't have to give up the painting aspect of modeling freight cars.  

For RPM display level models, I spray the Vallejo Model Color after adding about 20% Liquitex Airbrush medium to the cup on the airbrush.  

I would include a photo of the test strip (I included a small sample of Star Brand #30 SP-UP Freight Car Red in my test which appears to match the 60's on version of SP FCR) but the colors did not survive the upload intact through google photos.  
--
Ken Adams
Still in splendid Shelter In Place solitude, about half way up Walnut Creek
Owner PlasticFreightCarBuilders@groups.io


Re: Photo: Lehigh Valley Double-Sheathed Boxcar 85918 (1928)

Clarence Zink
 

Of equal interest to those building yards and sidings are the different types of track bumpers:
  • the two in front with manufactured cast steel/iron parts and apparently a pyramidal style concrete rear support structure
  • the three in back, made of wood, only two of which are upright, with the second one tilted to one side, and that third one completely tipped over.
And it seems that maybe the boxcar right against the building may have a simple pile of dirt as a "stopper".

Great photo.  Thanks!!

CRZ


Re: T&NO gondola

Rich C
 

Well done, Clark

Rich Christie

Virus-free. www.avg.com


Re: Sunshine SE WE box

Rich C
 

Looking great, Mr. Speedy Gonzales, LOL!

Rich Christie


Re: UTLX, Pennzoil questions

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Larry,

 

There is not a heck of a lot to go on for your questions.  Believe me, I have looked!

 

UTLX got 125 eight and ten thousand gallon high walkway cars from ACF circa 1910 and there is every likelihood that they ran into the 1920’s, at least.  However, UTLX did a major renumbering effort in the mid teens and these cars lost their numbers as, by the 1919 tariff, those 137xx numbers are something else, smaller.  ORER info for UTLX in that era is scant, too.  If I were doing the car for 1920, I would probably use a 7xxx series number.

 

UTLX purchased the PAX cars in 1929, but I could locate nothing further about them as UTLX cars.

 

I would advise you to buy a UTLX book, but Speedwitch still appears out of stock.  There is not much more in the book that what I have share here, however, for your specific questions.

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of lrkdbn via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2021 12:36 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] UTLX, Pennzoil questions

 

I have a couple of tank car Q's I'd like to toss out...

1)UTLX had at least a few ACF high walkway tank cars,as shown by this photo from the Barringer collection.My question is this,did these cars survive in this form into the 1920's?I would like to do my F&C car in the black with dulux/yellow lettering of the 1915-20's period.
2)Does anyone have any info on Pennzoil tank cars? In July of 1928 they listed 219 cars with P.A.X. reporting marks. By May 1932 these were no longer listed. I have an article from Model Railroader about building one of these cars,but it lacks prototype data.It does mention a Pennzoil tank (not a complete car) used on the Milwaukee Road in work train service,apparently a wreck salvage.Do any picture of this exist?                   

Thank you for any help you can give,
Larry King


UTLX, Pennzoil questions

lrkdbn
 

I have a couple of tank car Q's I'd like to toss out...

1)UTLX had at least a few ACF high walkway tank cars,as shown by this photo from the Barringer collection.My question is this,did these cars survive in this form into the 1920's?I would like to do my F&C car in the black with dulux/yellow lettering of the 1915-20's period.
2)Does anyone have any info on Pennzoil tank cars? In July of 1928 they listed 219 cars with P.A.X. reporting marks. By May 1932 these were no longer listed. I have an article from Model Railroader about building one of these cars,but it lacks prototype data.It does mention a Pennzoil tank (not a complete car) used on the Milwaukee Road in work train service,apparently a wreck salvage.Do any picture of this exist?                   

Thank you for any help you can give,
Larry King

6001 - 6020 of 192632