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Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Facilities and Tank Cars?
Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Ed;
Yes, they were!
I know what was going into/coming out of every tank car on my modeled portion of the PRR.
Elden Gatwood
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
On Behalf Of ed_mines via groups.io
Sent: Friday, August 20, 2021 12:19 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Facilities and Tank Cars?
Elden, all the tank cars you mentioned could be dedicated to one particular load.
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Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Facilities and Tank Cars?
ed_mines
Elden, all the tank cars you mentioned could be dedicated to one particular load.
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Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Facilities and Tank Cars?
Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Jim;
There most certainly was, in many cases.
For my area of interest, certain industries, utilities and RRs got their tank cars from specific suppliers.
There were Stauffer tanks going to Stauffer, USS and GATX tanks going to USSteel’s Clairton Works, and strings of UTLX tanks going to PRR’s engine facilities when UTL had the lease.
That is why I have a very specific tank car fleet😊
Elden Gatwood
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On Behalf Of Jim Betz
Sent: Friday, August 20, 2021 10:09 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Facilities and Tank Cars?
Hi,
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Re: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] Additional interesting loads from the EJ&E
Todd,
That was a major navy depot and naval barrels were stored there. I beleive that the logic was to keep vital materials away from the coasts so that they would not be targets for carrier airstrilkes or even limited land force incursions.
Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Todd Sullivan via groups.io <sullivant41@...>
Sent: Friday, August 20, 2021 9:09 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> Subject: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] Additional interesting loads from the EJ&E
That's really interesting. Why Pocatello,ID? Todd Sullivan.
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Re: Additional interesting loads from the EJ&E
Todd Sullivan
Bruce,
That's really interesting. Why Pocatello,ID? Todd Sullivan.
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Facilities and Tank Cars?
Hi,
I don't remember ever hearing anyone comment on this topic. Were/are there any 'links' between a facility receiving a tank car and a specific tank car line(s)? For example, if you have a local distributor of Standard Oil products was it more likely that the tank cars supplying that facility would be from certain tank car lines than others? And if the facility was Texaco would it have gotten a different mix? I know that certain reefers were much more likely to show up on certain RRs than others (such as, for example, PFE on the SP). I'm wondering if there was (is?) the same kind of thing for tank cars ... ??? STMFC era, of course. - Jim
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Re: MDC HO Milw short flat car prototype photo
Ah yes, the famous 3,000 mm mortar barrel ! Could launch an entire platoon of infantry over the walls of a fort. :-)
On 8/20/2021 8:15 AM, Andy Carlson wrote:
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Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Re: Additional interesting loads from the EJ&E
They were used in naval gun barrel service to Bremerton, Washington. The PRR also had such flat cars. Barrels would be mounted on swivels to go around curves. AMB makes HO scale laser cut parts to model the swivels. Tim O'Connor
On 8/13/2021 7:02 PM, Robert G P wrote:
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Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Massive period B&W Ed Wilkommen Freight Car collection
Andy Carlson
I have spent hours viewing just the start of this on-line collection of freight cars. None are dated or located. Water marks are quite visible but the web site offers photos for purchase. Enjoy only when you have a lot of time. -Andy Carlson Ojai CA
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MDC HO Milw short flat car prototype photo
Andy Carlson
2nd sending; seems first never arrived. -AC  Look familiar? Date and location not noted. -Andy Carlson Ojai CA
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Re: Additional interesting loads from the EJ&E
Robert,
I will add that the Milwaukee Road flats were built specifically for hauling large naval gun barrels. Immediately following their construction, they were leased to the Union Pacific and were placed in service hauling barrels from Pocatello to Bremerton.
Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of robert netzlof <rtnetzlof@...>
Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2021 11:30 PM To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> Subject: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] Additional interesting loads from the EJ&E CAUTION: Email Originated Outside of Auburn.
For same reason the PRR F22 and F23 were called gun flats (gun trucks in ancient usage). See for example http://prr.railfan.net/diagrams/PRRdiagrams.html?diag=F22.gif&sel=flat&sz=lg Little short cars rated to carry heavy loads, 95 tons in the case of the PRR cars. Often operated in groups of 2 or more connected by bridge pieces to support really heavy loads such as naval and coast artillery gun barrels. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert G P" <bobgp5109@...> To: "main" <main@realstmfc.groups.io> Sent: Friday, August 13, 2021 7:02:02 PM Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Additional interesting loads from the EJ&E Can anyone tell me why the MLW cars are referred to as gun flats? Thanks in advance! On Fri, Aug 13, 2021 at 5:29 PM Charles Happel via groups.io <cghappel2001= yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote: > The second and third pictures appear to be taken at Roundout, IL, where > the EJ&E interchanges with the Milwaukee Road. > Chuck Happel > > “The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so > certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts.” > Bertrand Russell > > > On Friday, August 13, 2021, 04:03:11 PM EDT, Bruce Smith < > smithbf@...> wrote: > > > Folks, > > > From the same collection as the photos Bob has posted > > > http://www.ejearchive.com/index.php?/albums/official-loads/content/co-loads-315/lightbox/ > > > http://www.ejearchive.com/index.php?/albums/official-loads/content/co-loads-314/lightbox/ > > > http://www.ejearchive.com/index.php?/albums/official-loads/content/co-loads-313/lightbox/ > > > http://www.ejearchive.com/index.php?/albums/official-loads/content/co-loads-312/lightbox/ > > > > The load (which looks like a refinery cracking tower, or kiln of some > sort) is carried on 4 flat cars. The wider end is on a Milwaukee, 4-truck > flat car. Interestingly, just behind this is a 1942 built Milwaukee Road > gun flat. There is another MILW gun flat at the other end. > > > > Regards, > > Bruce Smith > Auburn AL > > > > *From: *<main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of "Bob Chaparro via > groups.io" <chiefbobbb@...> > *Reply-To: *"main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> > *Date: *Friday, August 13, 2021 at 12:08 PM > *To: *"main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> > *Subject: *[EXT] [RealSTMFC] Photo: Unusual Load On HD Flat Cat > > > > *CAUTION: Email Originated Outside of Auburn.* > > Photo: Unusual Load On HD Flat Cat > > Photo from the Elgin, Joliet & Eastern Railway Archive: > > > http://www.ejearchive.com/index.php?/albums/official-loads/content/co-loads-307/lightbox/ > > No caption to indicate what this load is. Anyone? > > Bob Chaparro > > Hemet, CA > > > > -- Bob Netzlof a/k/a Sweet Old Bob
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Re: Additional interesting loads from the EJ&E
robert netzlof <rtnetzlof@...>
For same reason the PRR F22 and F23 were called gun flats (gun trucks in ancient usage).
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See for example http://prr.railfan.net/diagrams/PRRdiagrams.html?diag=F22.gif&sel=flat&sz=lg Little short cars rated to carry heavy loads, 95 tons in the case of the PRR cars. Often operated in groups of 2 or more connected by bridge pieces to support really heavy loads such as naval and coast artillery gun barrels.
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From: "Robert G P" <bobgp5109@...> To: "main" <main@realstmfc.groups.io> Sent: Friday, August 13, 2021 7:02:02 PM Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Additional interesting loads from the EJ&E Can anyone tell me why the MLW cars are referred to as gun flats? Thanks in advance! On Fri, Aug 13, 2021 at 5:29 PM Charles Happel via groups.io <cghappel2001= yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote: The second and third pictures appear to be taken at Roundout, IL, where -- Bob Netzlof a/k/a Sweet Old Bob
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Re: Look at that roof
Drew Bunn
Jason, Don't forget bent lock rods and wheels on plug door cars. I've heard that an overzealous forklift operator can push a plug door completely off the door tracks and off the car.
On Thu., Aug. 19, 2021, 23:15 Jason P, <gmo1515@...> wrote: I've noticed similar roof bulges in modern boxcars that are currently in service. As Jim said it was likely due to an errant forklift maneuver at some point. At a weathering clinic many years ago, a person pointed out the scratches/gouges that are sometimes seen to the right of a boxcar door. While sometimes these could be due to the door rubbing the car side, it is often due to a forklift tynes being used to push the door closed. If the tyne slips off the door during this moove it can result in those scratches which will eventually cause a rust streak.
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Re: Look at that roof
Jason P
I've noticed similar roof bulges in modern boxcars that are currently in service. As Jim said it was likely due to an errant forklift maneuver at some point. At a weathering clinic many years ago, a person pointed out the scratches/gouges that are sometimes seen to the right of a boxcar door. While sometimes these could be due to the door rubbing the car side, it is often due to a forklift tynes being used to push the door closed. If the tyne slips off the door during this moove it can result in those scratches which will eventually cause a rust streak.
-Jason P Helena AL
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Re: Additional interesting loads from the EJ&E
Robert G P
Can anyone tell me why the MLW cars are referred to as gun flats? Thanks in advance!
On Fri, Aug 13, 2021 at 5:29 PM Charles Happel via groups.io <cghappel2001=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
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Re: Lackawanna 45000-45999
Glad it's coming together for you now. These DL&W billboard cars are a hit when seen in a train.
Chris R.
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Re: Photo: Wheeling & Lake Erie Truss Rod Gondola 43357 (1925)
Eric Hansmann
The W&LE gon has an April 1905 weigh date stencil. It can’t be a 1925 photo. There were only five wood gons in the 43000-43999 series on the 1926 W&LE roster. I doubt they looked this nice. Eric Hansmann Murfreesboro, TN
On Aug 19, 2021, at 11:09 AM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:
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Re: Southern Pacific BCR by Tru-Color
Just an note for those of you who like to use acrylics instead of more toxic solvent based paints. I just reverified with new color tests (for test, brushed not sprayed) that Vallejo 70.814 Burnt Red is within a few wavelengths to my old eyes of TCP-211 after the Vallejo had been brushed with J&J Pledge/Revive it Floor Gloss (the current branding.) I run these tests every once in a while to keep myself convinced that I don't have to give up the painting aspect of modeling freight cars.
For RPM display level models, I spray the Vallejo Model Color after adding about 20% Liquitex Airbrush medium to the cup on the airbrush. I would include a photo of the test strip (I included a small sample of Star Brand #30 SP-UP Freight Car Red in my test which appears to match the 60's on version of SP FCR) but the colors did not survive the upload intact through google photos. -- Ken Adams Still in splendid Shelter In Place solitude, about half way up Walnut Creek Owner PlasticFreightCarBuilders@groups.io
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Re: Photo: Lehigh Valley Double-Sheathed Boxcar 85918 (1928)
Clarence Zink
Of equal interest to those building yards and sidings are the different types of track bumpers:
Great photo. Thanks!! CRZ
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Re: T&NO gondola
Rich C
Well done, Clark Rich Christie
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