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Re: NYC Post-war PS-1 box car paint

Benjamin Hom
 

Tony Thompson wrote:
"I know that NYC orders of PS-1 box cars circa 1951 were painted with black ends (such as cars 170500–171499). Is that true also for the earlier PS-1 cars they ordered, such as 167000–167999, built in 1948, or were those earlier cars all BCR? How about roofs? I have poked around on the web and not found helpful info. Any advice appreciated."


Data point: NYC 169554, Lot 798-B built 7-50, Lowell MA, c. July 1965 (Leroy Dozier photo)
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/nyc/nyc169554n04.jpg  


Ben Hom


Re: NYC Post-war PS-1 box car paint

Benjamin Hom
 

Tony Thompson wrote:
"I know that NYC orders of PS-1 box cars circa 1951 were painted with black ends (such as cars 170500–171499). Is that true also for the earlier PS-1 cars they ordered, such as 167000–167999, built in 1948, or were those earlier cars all BCR? How about roofs? I have poked around on the web and not found helpful info. Any advice appreciated."

Data point: NYC 169554, Lot 798-B built 7-50, Lowell MA, c. July 1965 (Leroy Dozier photo)
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/nyc/nyc169554n04.jpg 


Ben Hom


NYC Post-war PS-1 box car paint

Tony Thompson
 

I know that NYC orders of PS-1 box cars circa 1951 were painted with black ends (such as cars 170500–171499). Is that true also for the earlier PS-1 cars they ordered, such as 167000–167999, built in 1948, or were those earlier cars all BCR? How about roofs? I have poked around on the web and not found helpful info. Any advice appreciated.

Tony Thompson
tony@...


F&C Virginian BX-10 boxcar roof

Charlie Duckworth
 

I just finished a F&C Virginian boxcar and tried to replicate the roof as in some of the images. 
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Cudahy 1501-1600

Frank Hodina
 

Cars in the 5501-6250 series were built by ACF. Cudahy did have some cars from GA which were in the 1501-1600 series.

Frank
Resin Car Works


Re: Lackawanna 45000-45999

Paul Doggett
 

Clark 
Three great looking cars.
Paul Doggett    England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 23 Aug 2021, at 15:21, Brian Rochon <berochon@...> wrote:



Clark,

 

The photo of the RI flat is amazing.  At first I thought it was the prototype.  Excellent photography & modelling.

 

Brian Rochon

Silver Spring, MD

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Clark Propst via groups.io
Sent: Monday, August 23, 2021 9:31 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Lackawanna 45000-45999

 

Finished the DL&W car and two more on Saturday. The WofA, box car and a RI flat. Here's the finished flat too. I've put both box cars on eBay as I have enough for my layout. I'll operate with these while the auction runs. It's a good way to continue to build kits without accumulating too many  ;  )) 
The Flat is a Chad Boas kit I bought from him at the St L RPM. Decals are from Mask Island. They're designed for a car rebuilt with bulkheads, just changed the numbers. Ended up using K4 decals on the DLW model. Turned out ok for all the missteps I made...The Sunshine model was just a fun build as usual. Only trick with it was doing the tu-tone paint without masking. All were weathered with Pan Pastels. Thanks for all the help with pertinent information. Thanks to Steve Hile for info on the flat car. You can find the models on eBay using this address...I hope? Clark Propst

https://www.ebay.com/usr/propsus-b2gc2hde


Re: Lackawanna 45000-45999

Brian Rochon
 

Clark,

 

The photo of the RI flat is amazing.  At first I thought it was the prototype.  Excellent photography & modelling.

 

Brian Rochon

Silver Spring, MD

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Clark Propst via groups.io
Sent: Monday, August 23, 2021 9:31 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Lackawanna 45000-45999

 

Finished the DL&W car and two more on Saturday. The WofA, box car and a RI flat. Here's the finished flat too. I've put both box cars on eBay as I have enough for my layout. I'll operate with these while the auction runs. It's a good way to continue to build kits without accumulating too many  ;  )) 
The Flat is a Chad Boas kit I bought from him at the St L RPM. Decals are from Mask Island. They're designed for a car rebuilt with bulkheads, just changed the numbers. Ended up using K4 decals on the DLW model. Turned out ok for all the missteps I made...The Sunshine model was just a fun build as usual. Only trick with it was doing the tu-tone paint without masking. All were weathered with Pan Pastels. Thanks for all the help with pertinent information. Thanks to Steve Hile for info on the flat car. You can find the models on eBay using this address...I hope? Clark Propst

https://www.ebay.com/usr/propsus-b2gc2hde


Re: A few period boxcar roofs 1948 St Louis

Tom P
 

My grandpa said his father, a Terminal fireman, would take the TRRA shuttle from St Louis Union Station to the yards on the East side. He must have had a long commute because they lived in Carondelet. 

Tom P
Alexandria Virginia




Re: A few period boxcar roofs 1948 St Louis

William Reed
 

Not sure if these help any Steve, but what strikes me is how clean the rolling stock is. I'm a NG guy but love the dual gauge operations. One feature that many don't model when weathering is the streaking left from the water/dirt/mud flying up as seen on the end of the ART Reefer in the first pic. Photos are from my personal collection of Tom Gildersleve photos. Enjoy. 

William
aka drgwk37


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Steve SANDIFER <steve.sandifer@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2021 10:04 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] A few period boxcar roofs 1948 St Louis
 

I do not look at contemporary freight cars to weather my steam freight car models. Oily journals vs roller bearings create different weathering. Steam locos vs. modern diesels make a difference. Different paint composition, welded vs. riveted construction – all make a difference. I just wish there were more color photos from the 40s and early 50s to use as guides.

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ken Adams
Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2021 3:57 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] A few period boxcar roofs 1948 St Louis

 

These photos of car roofs remind us of the prevalence of soot from coal burning in the steam and transition eras. Rain apparently didn't wash much off Reduced maintenance in the depression era and then WW 2 with car shortages and less available labor for washing cars would contribute to the grimy appearance.  As an early 1950's modeler of the far west should all of the box cars more than a few months after building or a repaint have shown this dark coating.  Railroads weren't the only source of the soot as everything burned coal in large parts of the country. 

I am not sure that the bunker oil burned in the far western part of the country caused as much soot or just that it was spread/dissipated over much larger areas.  Alco and Baldwin diesels certainly put out clouds of black exhaust.
--
Ken Adams
Still in splendid Shelter In Place solitude, about half way up Walnut Creek
Owner PlasticFreightCarBuilders@groups.io


Re: Lackawanna 45000-45999

Clark Propst
 

Finished the DL&W car and two more on Saturday. The WofA, box car and a RI flat. Here's the finished flat too. I've put both box cars on eBay as I have enough for my layout. I'll operate with these while the auction runs. It's a good way to continue to build kits without accumulating too many  ;  )) 
The Flat is a Chad Boas kit I bought from him at the St L RPM. Decals are from Mask Island. They're designed for a car rebuilt with bulkheads, just changed the numbers. Ended up using K4 decals on the DLW model. Turned out ok for all the missteps I made...The Sunshine model was just a fun build as usual. Only trick with it was doing the tu-tone paint without masking. All were weathered with Pan Pastels. Thanks for all the help with pertinent information. Thanks to Steve Hile for info on the flat car. You can find the models on eBay using this address...I hope? Clark Propst

https://www.ebay.com/usr/propsus-b2gc2hde


Re: A few period boxcar roofs 1948 St Louis

Charlie Duckworth
 

Matthew
I don’t own the original images sorry. They were part of a group of slides that were shown at the TRRA convention.  I just cropped the roof areas for this group to review.  
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: A few period boxcar roofs 1948 St Louis

Matthew Hurst
 

Mr Duckworth,

Would you happen to have the full image for 5th image in your list? 

I’m a Pennsylvania Railroad modeler and I love the boxcars in the foreground and I would love to see the T1 in the back. 

Thanks for sharing. 

Regards 

Matthew Hurst


On Aug 21, 2021, at 9:09 AM, Charlie Duckworth <omahaduck@...> wrote:



Here’s some boxcar roofs that were in some slides of passenger trains shots taken at SLUS.  A few ideas for weathering of the various roofs and the wood running boards.  


--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.

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Re: A few period boxcar roofs 1948 St Louis

vapeurchapelon
 

Dear Charlie,
 
these are truly wonderful photos - lots of thanks for sharing them!
 
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1954
 
Gesendet: Samstag, 21. August 2021 um 15:09 Uhr
Von: "Charlie Duckworth" <omahaduck@...>
An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
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Here’s some boxcar roofs that were in some slides of passenger trains shots taken at SLUS.  A few ideas for weathering of the various roofs and the wood running boards.  


--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Cudahy 1501-1600

nyc3001 .
 

Doug,

The model is based on one design of GA reefer, which was first installed in 1937. The CRLX 5501-6250 series, which is one scheme that the Rapido reefer represents, is in actuality a completely different design as Roger says.

If it is true that the 1501-series reefers were rebuilt from older CRLX cars, then the Rapido car is a foobie for CRLX in the absence of further information.

One of the issues that I've seen with the Rapido reefers' reception is that some high-profile modelers have asserted their accuracy for schemes like Swift, WCLX, ARLX, and CRLX when in reality those are foobie schemes. Reefers with those reporting marks were of different designs (especially WCLX), but I have seen very few modelers acknowledge this.

The Rapido reefers fill a need but are not sufficient to model a typical block of meat reefers representing a variety of meat packers.

-Phil


Re: A few period boxcar roofs 1948 St Louis

Steve SANDIFER
 

I do not look at contemporary freight cars to weather my steam freight car models. Oily journals vs roller bearings create different weathering. Steam locos vs. modern diesels make a difference. Different paint composition, welded vs. riveted construction – all make a difference. I just wish there were more color photos from the 40s and early 50s to use as guides.

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ken Adams
Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2021 3:57 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] A few period boxcar roofs 1948 St Louis

 

These photos of car roofs remind us of the prevalence of soot from coal burning in the steam and transition eras. Rain apparently didn't wash much off Reduced maintenance in the depression era and then WW 2 with car shortages and less available labor for washing cars would contribute to the grimy appearance.  As an early 1950's modeler of the far west should all of the box cars more than a few months after building or a repaint have shown this dark coating.  Railroads weren't the only source of the soot as everything burned coal in large parts of the country. 

I am not sure that the bunker oil burned in the far western part of the country caused as much soot or just that it was spread/dissipated over much larger areas.  Alco and Baldwin diesels certainly put out clouds of black exhaust.
--
Ken Adams
Still in splendid Shelter In Place solitude, about half way up Walnut Creek
Owner PlasticFreightCarBuilders@groups.io


Re: St. Louis Refrigerator Car Company Refrigerator 10084

Nelson Moyer
 

Jim, I think you misinterpreted the brake pipes penetrating the center sill. They aren’t connected to the brake levers. For fishbelly center sills, it’s common to terminate the pipes from the air reservoir to the AB valve at the center sill, rather than running them all the way through. You’re seeing an optical illusion. And yes, there is a pipe from the brake cylinder to the AB valve, how else could you actuate the piston?

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Betz
Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2021 5:47 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] St. Louis Refrigerator Car Company Refrigerator 10084

 

Lester,
  If I'm not mistaken you've made errors in the under body details.  Look at the
piping/rods running to the left most pivot bar (correct name?).  I don't think there
would be a rod/pipe running to the cylinder - nor the one from the right pivot
bar to the triple valve.  Am I wrong?
                                                                                                      - Jim


Re: St. Louis Refrigerator Car Company Refrigerator 10084

Jim Betz
 

Lester,
  If I'm not mistaken you've made errors in the under body details.  Look at the
piping/rods running to the left most pivot bar (correct name?).  I don't think there
would be a rod/pipe running to the cylinder - nor the one from the right pivot
bar to the triple valve.  Am I wrong?
                                                                                                      - Jim


Re: A few period boxcar roofs 1948 St Louis

Dave Parker
 

On Sun, Aug 22, 2021 at 02:04 PM, Ken Adams wrote:
Was there an MCB/AAR specification for the location
8 inch minimum, 15 inch maximum from both edges of the roof (Safety Appliances section of the 1931 CBC.).
 
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: A few period boxcar roofs 1948 St Louis

Ken Adams
 

Just an observation on the positioning bend of the hand rails on the lateral running boards in the pictures. Most appear to be at least one full board in from the edge of the car roof.  Was there an MCB/AAR specification for the location.
--
Ken Adams
Still in splendid Shelter In Place solitude, about half way up Walnut Creek
Owner PlasticFreightCarBuilders@groups.io


Re: A few period boxcar roofs 1948 St Louis

Eric Hansmann
 

I don’t think railroads washed freight cars. I believe that is a hobby myth. 

Private owners like FGE, PFE, SFRD, HJH, and others may have washed their cars. 

Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On Aug 22, 2021, at 3:57 PM, Ken Adams <smadanek44g@...> wrote:

These photos of car roofs remind us of the prevalence of soot from coal burning in the steam and transition eras. Rain apparently didn't wash much off. Reduced maintenance in the depression era and then WW 2 with car shortages and less available labor for washing cars would contribute to the grimy appearance.  As an early 1950's modeler of the far west should all of the box cars more than a few months after building or a repaint have shown this dark coating.  Railroads weren't the only source of the soot as everything burned coal in large parts of the country. 

I am not sure that the bunker oil burned in the far western part of the country caused as much soot or just that it was spread/dissipated over much larger areas.  Alco and Baldwin diesels certainly put out clouds of black exhaust.
--
Ken Adams
Still in splendid Shelter In Place solitude, about half way up Walnut Creek
Owner PlasticFreightCarBuilders@groups.io

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