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Re: Cudahy 1501-1600

Steve and Barb Hile
 

As nearly as I can tell the CRLX series 5501 – 5600 was built by GATC in 1928, this photo shows fresh paint in 1935 along with experimental rubber springs in the trucks.

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of ROGER HINMAN via groups.io
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Actually cars in that series were built by ACF, GA and Cudahy

 

GA built 100 cars in 1935

 

Roger Hinman

 



On Aug 23, 2021, at 10:39 AM, Frank Hodina <FHodina@...> wrote:

 

Cars in the 5501-6250 series were built by ACF. Cudahy did have some cars from GA which were in the 1501-1600 series.

Frank
Resin Car Works

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Re: Cudahy 1501-1600

ROGER HINMAN
 

Actually cars in that series were built by ACF, GA and Cudahy

GA built 100 cars in 1935

Roger Hinman



On Aug 23, 2021, at 10:39 AM, Frank Hodina <FHodina@...> wrote:

Cars in the 5501-6250 series were built by ACF. Cudahy did have some cars from GA which were in the 1501-1600 series.

Frank
Resin Car Works

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Re: Cudahy 1501-1600

ROGER HINMAN
 



On Aug 23, 2021, at 10:39 AM, Frank Hodina <FHodina@...> wrote:

Cars in the 5501-6250 series were built by ACF. Cudahy did have some cars from GA which were in the 1501-1600 series.

Frank
Resin Car Works

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Re: NYC Post-war PS-1 box car paint

Todd Sullivan
 

Tim & others,

FWIW, I tend to trust Kadee on their painting and lettering.  I looked up NYC 40ft PS-1s on their website, and the 170000 and 180000 series cars, built in 1951 and 1952, respectively, had black ends and roof.  Models of earlier PS-1 series were all freight car brown.

Let the dissent begin!

Todd Sullivan


Calling Rich Christie

golden1014
 

Yo Rich, I lost your e-mail address.  Can you give me a shout please at Golden1014@...?

Danke!

John Golden
Ramstein-Miesenbach, Germany


Re: Current form of Future Floor Wax Suitable for Decal Work

Bryian Sones
 

Hi Allen,

I'm not sure what project you might be wanting to use a spray bottle for but a spray bottle would give you less control of the application.
It is just going to go everywhere and spray heavy. Also, it may splatter and run. It is self leveling but you want to apply thin even coats to get the best results. You can use a brush or airbrush. I prefer an Airbrush but sometimes I use a brush for small, quick decal applications. 

If you want to try the spray bottle, I would recommend you test it on something you don't care about first. The test piece should have the same surface as your project. This way you will know exactly what the results are going to be.   

Bryian Sones
Union Pacific Prototype Modeler
Murrieta, CA


On Tuesday, August 24, 2021, 10:45:11 AM PDT, Douglas Harding <iowacentralrr@...> wrote:


Allen it is 100% pure acrylic and is self-leveling. It dries quickly. I use a brush and apply to the areas receiving decals. It can also be airbrushed. I’m not sure a pump bottle spray would be acceptable, but would certainly be worth a try on a scrap body to see what coverage occurs.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Allen Cain
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2021 11:29 AM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Current form of Future Floor Wax Suitable for Decal Work

 

Can this be applied with a pump bottle spray or must it be applied with an airbrush to get a good effect?

 

--

Allen Cain

Chem-Dry of Brentwood

Chem-Dry of Franklin

Mr. B's Chem-Dry

Bluff City Chem-Dry

Chem-Dry of De Soto County

Divisions of New Horizons Enterprises Inc


--
Allen Cain
Modeling the Southern in 1955 in HO Scale


Re: NYC Post-war PS-1 box car paint

Tim O'Connor
 

Tony

I provided two photos - You are correct the Ebay photo shows a repainted car, although I have noticed
that many repainted cars did not receive repainted roofs.

But the first of the photos showed a brand new NYC PS-1 in 1948. This was the photo that looks very
much like a black painted end to me. I've cropped it, and zoomed in, and attached it here.

Pullman Standard loved black ends, I don't know why. For example the Southern Pacific had no red
box cars with black ends... until they ordered some 50 foot PS-1's! :-D

Tim O'Connor


On 8/23/2021 10:21 PM, Tony Thompson wrote:
Tim O'Connor wrote:

I think both ends and roof were black.


Good photo, Tim, thanks! But this is the mid-1950s lettering, not the 1950 scheme when the car was built, so presumably a repaint. Do we know how they were ORIGINALLY painted?

Tony Thompson


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Current form of Future Floor Wax Suitable for Decal Work

Douglas Harding
 

Allen it is 100% pure acrylic and is self-leveling. It dries quickly. I use a brush and apply to the areas receiving decals. It can also be airbrushed. I’m not sure a pump bottle spray would be acceptable, but would certainly be worth a try on a scrap body to see what coverage occurs.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Allen Cain
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2021 11:29 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Current form of Future Floor Wax Suitable for Decal Work

 

Can this be applied with a pump bottle spray or must it be applied with an airbrush to get a good effect?

 

--

Allen Cain

Chem-Dry of Brentwood

Chem-Dry of Franklin

Mr. B's Chem-Dry

Bluff City Chem-Dry

Chem-Dry of De Soto County

Divisions of New Horizons Enterprises Inc


--
Allen Cain
Modeling the Southern in 1955 in HO Scale


Re: Current form of Future Floor Wax Suitable for Decal Work

Charlie Vlk
 

Thanks all….will get a bottle of Pledge floor gloss!!

Charlie Vlk

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ken Adams
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2021 12:14 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Current form of Future Floor Wax Suitable for Decal Work

 

I just used the same Pledge product Eric refers to above. https://www.pledge.com/en-us/products/pledge-floor-gloss

Works fine.  I brush it on only the areas to be decaled.  After the Micro Sol/Micro Set are dry, I brush a second coat over the decal and let that dry before spraying  Tamiya TS-80 Flat Clear.  Works for me. I just finished a MW car yesterday in this manner and today it looks like the RR last painted it several years ago. 
--
Ken Adams
Still in splendid Shelter In Place solitude, about half way up Walnut Creek
Owner PlasticFreightCarBuilders@groups.io


Re: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] Additional interesting loads from the EJ&E

Ken Adams
 

The Army depot at Hawthorne, Nevada is still in use as is the Military's Sealift Command terminal at Port Chicago in the inland reaches of San Francisco Bay. Both are rail served. 

Mandatory Steam Era Content:

This was my model of the ex-DRGW 36' box cars the US Navy bought to replace cars destroyed in the 1944 Port Chicago explosion disaster. 


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Ken Adams
Still in splendid Shelter In Place solitude, about half way up Walnut Creek
Owner PlasticFreightCarBuilders@groups.io


Re: Latitudinal Running Board Hand Holds; was A few period boxcar roofs 1948 St Louis

Ken Adams
 

Thank you very much...
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Ken Adams
Still in splendid Shelter In Place solitude, about half way up Walnut Creek
Owner PlasticFreightCarBuilders@groups.io


Re: Current form of Future Floor Wax Suitable for Decal Work

Ken Adams
 

I just used the same Pledge product Eric refers to above. https://www.pledge.com/en-us/products/pledge-floor-gloss

Works fine.  I brush it on only the areas to be decaled.  After the Micro Sol/Micro Set are dry, I brush a second coat over the decal and let that dry before spraying  Tamiya TS-80 Flat Clear.  Works for me. I just finished a MW car yesterday in this manner and today it looks like the RR last painted it several years ago. 
--
Ken Adams
Still in splendid Shelter In Place solitude, about half way up Walnut Creek
Owner PlasticFreightCarBuilders@groups.io


Re: Current form of Future Floor Wax Suitable for Decal Work

Allen Cain
 

Can this be applied with a pump bottle spray or must it be applied with an airbrush to get a good effect?

--
Allen Cain
Chem-Dry of Brentwood
Chem-Dry of Franklin
Mr. B's Chem-Dry
Bluff City Chem-Dry
Chem-Dry of De Soto County
Divisions of New Horizons Enterprises Inc

--
Allen Cain
Modeling the Southern in 1955 in HO Scale


Re: F&C Virginian BX-10 boxcar roof

Bill McClure
 

Well done, Charle. Nice to see someone do VGN anything, and also do it very well. VGN is one of my passions.

Bill


Re: NYC Post-war PS-1 box car paint

Ed Hawkins
 



On Aug 23, 2021, at 3:41 PM, Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:

I know that NYC orders of PS-1 box cars circa 1951 were painted with black ends (such as cars 170500–171499). Is that true also for the earlier PS-1 cars they ordered, such as 167000–167999, built in 1948, or were those earlier cars all BCR? How about roofs? I have poked around on the web and not found helpful info. Any advice appreciated.

Tony,
As Tony notes, there have been sufficient photos located and documentation to confirm NYC PS-1s built in 1950 to 1952 came with black car cement on the ends and roof, but unfortunately this cannot be said with 100% certainty of the 1948-built PS-1s, NYC 167000-167999, Lot 765-B.

Prior to Kadee’s release of the model, considerable research had been made to determine the colors of the ends & roof. This included searching for a good photo of a relatively-new car (preferably color), locating the paint specs, and coordinating with Jeff English. Jeff did his best by checking available NYCHS documentation, but no joy. It came down to determining what was thought to be the “most-likely” scenario. 

The most-likely scenario was based on known first-source information that in 1948 NYC purchased box cars from ACF (Lot 764-B, 166000-166999) & Greenville Steel Car Co. (Lot 763-B, 165000-165999). The original paint specs for both series specified these cars received freight car brown ends and black car cement applied to the roof. Good photos of 164000-164999 Lot 759-B cars built by DSI in late 1947 also led to the same conclusion of freight car brown ends & black roof.

Regarding NYC box car roofs, ACF bills of materials specify that without exception black car cement was used on four lot numbers of box & auto cars built from 1945-1948. It has also been confirmed that a number of PS-1s built in 1947-1948 did come with freight car red/brown ends instead of them all having ends coated with black car cement.

Based on the above factors It was therefore concluded that for the Kadee NYC Lot 765-B model freight car brown ends was more likely than black car cement. Still, it has not been confirmed with certainty one way or the other.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins





Re: NYC Post-war PS-1 box car paint

Scott
 


Re: NYC Post-war PS-1 box car paint

Allan Smith
 


The picture on page 64 of P-S Freight Cars 1900-1960 show NYC 170705 with Black Ends


Al Smith
Sonora Ca

On Monday, August 23, 2021, 07:21:35 PM PDT, Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:


Tim O'Connor wrote:

I think both ends and roof were black.


Good photo, Tim, thanks! But this is the mid-1950s lettering, not the 1950 scheme when the car was built, so presumably a repaint. Do we know how they were ORIGINALLY painted?

Tony Thompson



Re: NYC Post-war PS-1 box car paint

Tony Thompson
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:

I think both ends and roof were black.


Good photo, Tim, thanks! But this is the mid-1950s lettering, not the 1950 scheme when the car was built, so presumably a repaint. Do we know how they were ORIGINALLY painted?

Tony Thompson



Re: Current form of Future Floor Wax Suitable for Decal Work

Bryian Sones
 

Yup and It appears they got rid of the other Variations of the floor finish too.
I know some stores still have the one I mentioned. I just saw it at my local Walmart on Saturday and was thinking about getting another for safe keeping. Also still available on Amazon  on the link I posted.

Bryian Sones
Union Pacific Prototype Modeler
Murrieta, CA


On Monday, August 23, 2021, 05:20:33 PM PDT, Brian Shumaker <brian.shumaker@...> wrote:


Eric, that would be “Back to the Future”. 1, 2 or 3, take your pick.
Brian


Re: Current form of Future Floor Wax Suitable for Decal Work

Brian Shumaker
 

Eric, that would be “Back to the Future”. 1, 2 or 3, take your pick.
Brian

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