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Re: Tarps on semi box trailers

John Sykes III
 

Oh, yeah.  These tarped trailers were commonly carried as piggyback loads on flat cars in the day, so there is a legitimate tie-in to this group's subject.😉

-- John


Re: Tarps on semi box trailers

John Sykes III
 

Open top semitrailers were extremely common in the post WWII era.  CMW offers one with many different logos in HO scale.  I think maybe overhead cranes were more common then forklifts back then???

I have a friend (Mark Sosin) who says you could tell how good the fishing was on the Key bridges by the number of lures stuck to a truck's tarp when it arrived in Key West.

-- John


Photo: Kanawha & Michigan Gondola 8157

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Kanawha & Michigan Gondola 8157

Photo from the New York Central Historical Society:

https://nycshs.omeka.net/items/show/97786

Info from the My West Virginia Home website:

“The Ohio Central had built eastward along the north bank of the Kanawha River to reach Charleston in the 1800s but it went into receivership in 1883 and was sold to the Kanawha & Ohio in 1885. In 1889 the K&O went into receivership and was re-chartered as the Kanawha & Michigan. The K&M then extended east of Charleston to Gauley Bridge by buying the Charleston & Gauley Bridge Railroad.

The K&M was an independent operation, but was controlled by the Toledo & Ohio, later the Hocking Valley. The C&O acquired a controlling interest in the Hocking Valley, however in 1914 the US District Court forced the C&O to sell the K&M under terms of the Sherman Anti-Trust Act.  Control passed back to the Toledo & Ohio Central which was leased by New York Central in 1922.”

And Kanawha & Michigan gondola 7739:

http://www.columbusrailroads.com/ralston%20photos-2/RSC-neg%2035%20K&M-7739-1200.jpg

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: NYC Gondola S-501079 With LCL Container Load

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: NYC Gondola S-501079 With LCL Container Load

Photo from the New York Central Historical Society:

https://nycshs.omeka.net/items/show/109272

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Tarps on semi box trailers

Gary Roe
 

Bob,
That trailer does not have a roof.  Thus the need for the tarp.
gary roe
quincy, illinois



On Wednesday, August 25, 2021, 11:37:48 AM CDT, Robert G P <bobgp5109@...> wrote:


Hello all, 

For quite some time now ive noticed that in many photos from the 30s-early 60s semi 'van' trailers (the ones already fully enclosed) tend to commonly be outfitted with a tarp over a certain section of the roof, whether front or rear. I do know it was normal practice for trailers with "chicken wire" (storefront gate) type back doors to have a tarp to assist in protection from the elements but It seems a few with full back doors have them on occasion as well. As said, Ive also seen them on the front of the trailer -perhaps to cover up a vent door not being used. Perhaps even a leaky or poorly sealed roof was a reason. 

This was an incredibly common practice and most photos of trailer trucks from that era tend to feature at least one so outfitted. They can also be spotted on TOFC runs.

I'm addressing this as I'd just like to ask if anyone knows aside from the stated reasons why trailers might've had a tarp over the already solid roof back then?  It's definitely neat and would be nice to model. 

I'll link to a photo which shows one with a tarp over the full trailer, just past the ESSO sign.


-Bob


Tarps on semi box trailers

Robert G P
 

Hello all, 

For quite some time now ive noticed that in many photos from the 30s-early 60s semi 'van' trailers (the ones already fully enclosed) tend to commonly be outfitted with a tarp over a certain section of the roof, whether front or rear. I do know it was normal practice for trailers with "chicken wire" (storefront gate) type back doors to have a tarp to assist in protection from the elements but It seems a few with full back doors have them on occasion as well. As said, Ive also seen them on the front of the trailer -perhaps to cover up a vent door not being used. Perhaps even a leaky or poorly sealed roof was a reason. 

This was an incredibly common practice and most photos of trailer trucks from that era tend to feature at least one so outfitted. They can also be spotted on TOFC runs.

I'm addressing this as I'd just like to ask if anyone knows aside from the stated reasons why trailers might've had a tarp over the already solid roof back then?  It's definitely neat and would be nice to model. 

I'll link to a photo which shows one with a tarp over the full trailer, just past the ESSO sign.


-Bob


Re: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] Additional interesting loads from the EJ&E

Robert G P
 

Thanks lots to everyone! Interesting indeed.


On Fri, Aug 20, 2021 at 10:21 AM Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:
Todd,

That was a major navy depot and naval barrels were stored there. I beleive that the logic was to keep vital materials away from the coasts so that they would not be targets for carrier airstrilkes or even limited land force incursions.

Regards,
Bruce 
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


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Bruce,

That's really interesting.  Why Pocatello,ID? 

Todd Sullivan.


Re: Cudahy 1501-1600

Douglas Harding
 

Not a Mather car, though Cudahy did use Mather reefers. All photos I have of Cudahy Mather reefers have the Mather name visible somewhere. And all have six hinges, not four.

 

The photo of 5557 is from the Fairmont Motor Co archives, demonstrating their experiment with a Goodyear rubber spring block. I scanned the high rez image at the Marin Co Historical Society a number of years ago for Richard Hendrickson for the Billboard Reefer book and have shared that photo many times. At 1200 dpi the repack lettering reads “REPACKED C.R.L.X. E.CH.IND. 2.6.35”

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Cudahy 1501-1600

 

Attached is a slightly different photo of CRLX 5557. My file name indicates it is a Mather car. Note the clear stencil near the right side ladder indicating Return to E. Chicago, Ind.

 

The car wears a 2-35 E. CH. weigh stencil and a Built 9-28 stencil. I believe this came to me from Ray Breyer.

 

 

Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

On 08/24/2021 3:07 PM Steve and Barb Hile <shile@...> wrote:

 

As nearly as I can tell the CRLX series 5501 – 5600 was built by GATC in 1928, this photo shows fresh paint in 1935 along with experimental rubber springs in the trucks.

Steve Hile

 

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Actually cars in that series were built by ACF, GA and Cudahy

GA built 100 cars in 1935

 

Roger Hinman

 

On Aug 23, 2021, at 10:39 AM, Frank Hodina <FHodina@...> wrote:

 

Cars in the 5501-6250 series were built by ACF. Cudahy did have some cars from GA which were in the 1501-1600 series.

Frank
Resin Car Works

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Re: Cudahy 1501-1600

Eric Hansmann
 

Attached is a slightly different photo of CRLX 5557. My file name indicates it is a Mather car. Note the clear stencil near the right side ladder indicating Return to E. Chicago, Ind.

The car wears a 2-35 E. CH. weigh stencil and a Built 9-28 stencil. I believe this came to me from Ray Breyer.


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN


On 08/24/2021 3:07 PM Steve and Barb Hile <shile@...> wrote:

As nearly as I can tell the CRLX series 5501 – 5600 was built by GATC in 1928, this photo shows fresh paint in 1935 along with experimental rubber springs in the trucks.

Steve Hile


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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Cudahy 1501-1600


Actually cars in that series were built by ACF, GA and Cudahy

GA built 100 cars in 1935


Roger Hinman


On Aug 23, 2021, at 10:39 AM, Frank Hodina <FHodina@...> wrote:


Cars in the 5501-6250 series were built by ACF. Cudahy did have some cars from GA which were in the 1501-1600 series.

Frank
Resin Car Works

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Re: Where does the ‘Empty Return’ Stencils go on n an SP SS boxcar?

Charlie Duckworth
 

Thanks for all the replies; given the particular use of the cars to the Eugene agent I’ll leave it off.  
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Where does the ‘Empty Return’ Stencils go on n an SP SS boxcar?

 

The photos that were attached are actually A-50-6's converted to hogfuel cars. They are the 50' variety. I know the A-50-4's were also so converted. This would make a fairly simple kitbash of a Funaro kit. Since this is a flat kit, build it without the roof and cobble up 4 "flapper" type side doors. I also believe the SP did the same to their 40' single SS boxcar types (B-50-13 thru 16)

Rich Christie

On Tuesday, August 24, 2021, 09:54:37 PM CDT, Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:


> Charlie Duckworth wrote:
>
> I’m decaling the Speedwitch SP A-50-4 and plan to use it going to a lumber yard on the layout.  The decals have a white backed decals for returning the empty car to Eugene.  I’ve looked through several books but can’t find an example on where it goes on the car.  One side is angled so I assume it’s against a ‘Z’ brace.

These kinds of painted assignment legends were usually near the door on the left. One SP employee told me that sometimes they were even taken into account in car movements <g>
Many sorts of cars that could be used for lumber were marked “return to Eugene” so this can be quite a general usage, especially for a double-door car, convenient for lumber loading.

Tony Thompson
tony@...








Re: Where does the ‘Empty Return’ Stencils go on n an SP SS boxcar?

Tony Thompson
 

Charlie Duckworth wrote:

I’m decaling the Speedwitch SP A-50-4 and plan to use it going to a lumber yard on the layout. The decals have a white backed decals for returning the empty car to Eugene. I’ve looked through several books but can’t find an example on where it goes on the car. One side is angled so I assume it’s against a ‘Z’ brace.
These kinds of painted assignment legends were usually near the door on the left. One SP employee told me that sometimes they were even taken into account in car movements <g>
Many sorts of cars that could be used for lumber were marked “return to Eugene” so this can be quite a general usage, especially for a double-door car, convenient for lumber loading.

Tony Thompson
tony@...


Re: Where does the ‘Empty Return’ Stencils go on n an SP SS boxcar?

Tony Thompson
 

hubert mask wrote:

I checked Dick Harley’s sp book and didn’t see any examples for that time being.

Um, Hubert, the SP part of that book is by me. Dick wrote the PFE part only.

Tony Thompson
tony@...


Re: Where does the ‘Empty Return’ Stencils go on n an SP SS boxcar?

Bill Decker
 

Doug,

You may well have identified the use of the Eugene "return to" placard.  The placard makes perfect sense for the photo (likely via Tim O'Connor), but will not do much good for Charlie Duckworth's SP A-50-4 project unless he is building a hog fuel car.  The photo is very clearly a hog fuel car, as one can see through the open door the mound of hog fuel ("sawdust" inside and the lack of roof.  SP converted a number of older box cars to haul hog (or "hogged") fuel, mostly within the timber region (e.g., Oregon).  Photos certainly confirm these cars post-WWII into the 1950s.  For reference, the first wood chip racks started going onto GS gons around 1956.  Before that, the commodity hauled was hog fuel--basically sawdust used for both home heating and industrial fuel.  This predated the wood chip traffic for paper pulp mills.

I well recall a few old house basements with sawdust bins and home furnaces fueled by that product in the 1950s, but the practice was rapidly being replaced by oil fuel--much safer and less messy!  Think spontaneous combustion in a bin of sawdust.  

I am fairly certain the hog fuel traffic was fairly local to Oregon and maybe Northern California.  As with the later wood chips, there was not much (if any) profit to be made in hauling very far.

Bill Decker
McMinnville, Oregon


Re: Where does the ‘Empty Return’ Stencils go on n an SP SS boxcar?

 

Another example.

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Where does the ‘Empty Return’ Stencils go on n an SP SS boxcar?

 

Believe this photo shows where. I think it came via Tim O’Connor.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

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Subject: [RealSTMFC] Where does the ‘Empty Return’ Stencils go on n an SP SS boxcar?

 

I’m decaling the Speedwitch SP A-50-4 and plan to use it going to a lumber yard on the layout.  The decals have a white backed decals for returning the empty car to Eugene.  I’ve looked through several books but can’t find an example on where it goes on the car.  One side is angled so I assume it’s against a ‘Z’ brace. 
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Where does the ‘Empty Return’ Stencils go on n an SP SS boxcar?

Douglas Harding
 

Believe this photo shows where. I think it came via Tim O’Connor.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Charlie Duckworth
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2021 6:10 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Where does the ‘Empty Return’ Stencils go on n an SP SS boxcar?

 

I’m decaling the Speedwitch SP A-50-4 and plan to use it going to a lumber yard on the layout.  The decals have a white backed decals for returning the empty car to Eugene.  I’ve looked through several books but can’t find an example on where it goes on the car.  One side is angled so I assume it’s against a ‘Z’ brace. 
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Where does the ‘Empty Return’ Stencils go on n an SP SS boxcar?

hubert mask
 

I checked Dick Harley’s sp book and didn’t see any examples for that time being.

Hubert 


On Aug 24, 2021, at 8:05 PM, Charlie Duckworth <omahaduck@...> wrote:

Could be but it’s angled and placards were rectangular.  Before computer routing many ‘agent assigned’ cars were stenciled with specific empty return information.  
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Where does the ‘Empty Return’ Stencils go on n an SP SS boxcar?

Charlie Duckworth
 

Could be but it’s angled and placards were rectangular.  Before computer routing many ‘agent assigned’ cars were stenciled with specific empty return information.  
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Cudahy 1501-1600

O Fenton Wells
 

Thanks Doug
Fenton

On Tue, Aug 24, 2021 at 7:02 PM Douglas Harding <iowacentralrr@...> wrote:

Clover House offers dry transfers in O scale https://cloverhouse.com/Cart/product_info.php?products_id=11981  They had them in HO, but are no longer listed on their website. You might contact Clover House or search eBay.

 

Don Valentine of NERS commissioned a special run of HO Atlas meat reefers with this scheme back in 2014. I doubt he has any left.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of O Fenton Wells
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2021 4:40 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Cudahy 1501-1600

 

Does anyone make decals for these cars??

Fenton

 

On Tue, Aug 24, 2021 at 5:29 PM ROGER HINMAN via groups.io <rhinman11=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

your eyes are better than mine, I just enlarged that build date and it is 1928; a quick check in the earlier ORER confirms

 

Roger Hinman



On Aug 24, 2021, at 5:07 PM, Steve and Barb Hile <shile@...> wrote:

 

s nearly as I can tell the CRLX series 5501 – 5600 was built by GATC in 1928, this photo shows fresh paint in 1935 along with experimental rubber springs in the trucks.

 

Steve Hile

 

 


 

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Re: NYC Post-war PS-1 box car paint

Allan Smith
 

Page 33 of Freight Equipment of the NYC Volume 1 has a photo of 169074 with black roof and ends . photo 10-20-1951

Al Smith
Sonora CA

On Tuesday, August 24, 2021, 01:15:13 PM PDT, Todd Sullivan via groups.io <sullivant41@...> wrote:


Tim & others,

FWIW, I tend to trust Kadee on their painting and lettering.  I looked up NYC 40ft PS-1s on their website, and the 170000 and 180000 series cars, built in 1951 and 1952, respectively, had black ends and roof.  Models of earlier PS-1 series were all freight car brown.

Let the dissent begin!

Todd Sullivan

8701 - 8720 of 195468