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Help with truck identification

O Fenton Wells
 

Gentlemen, Trucks are one of my weakest areas of knowledge.  Any idea what these trucks are?  And what is the closest model for them HO scale.
Thanks 
Fenton


Re: Facilities and Tank Cars?

Jim Betz
 

  Thanks to all who responded - and especially to J. Stephen Sandifer.  - Jim


Re: Facilities and Tank Cars?

Steve SANDIFER
 

A Texaco distributor would have received products either in TCX cars

or in GATX cars. Texaco sold their tank car fleet to General

American in the '30s and after that GATC operated their cars for them

under lease. Also, after World War II, GATC gradually absorbed the

TCX cars into the GATX fleet, so the later in the '50s you model, the

more likely that the cars would be GATX rather than TCX. And it

would be very unlikely for a Texaco distributor to have products

delivered in UTLX or SHPX cars, as UTLX still had strong ties to the

Standard Oil companies and SHPX was the leasing subsidiary of General

American's prime competitor in the tank car business, American Car &

Foundry.

Richard Hendrickson

 

Sinclair (& PARX) tank cars would have reappeared serving the Sinclair outlet although the SDRX (& PARX) fleet were sold to UTLX in the mid-1950's as UTLX managed Sinclair's rail transport needs. Phillips had their own tank cars while Standard (of Indiana?) would have most likely used UTLX tank cars if their Alma Branch outlets of either company were served by rail.

Tim Gilbert

 

Which oil company is the supplier for this depot?  If ESSO, Socony, Std of Indiana or Chevron, the tank cars would be leased from UTLX at least on the east coast. If from Texaco, leased from GATX sometimes with TCX marks. Gulf, Cities Service & Sinclair owned their own fleets.

Marty McGuirk

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Betz
Sent: Friday, August 20, 2021 9:09 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Facilities and Tank Cars?

 

Hi,
  I don't remember ever hearing anyone comment on this topic.

  Were/are there any 'links' between a facility receiving a tank car and a specific
tank car line(s)?  For example, if you have a local distributor of Standard Oil
products was it more likely that the tank cars supplying that facility would be
from certain tank car lines than others?  And if the facility was Texaco would
it have gotten a different mix? 
  I know that certain reefers were much more likely to show up on certain RRs
than others (such as, for example, PFE on the SP).  I'm wondering if there
was (is?) the same kind of thing for tank cars ... ???
  STMFC era, of course.
                                                                                                           - Jim 


Re: American Limited Tank Car Weathering

Steve SANDIFER
 

 

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Stern
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2021 1:34 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] American Limited Tank Car Weathering

 

I just got some of the beautiful American Limited tank cars in the original ATSF paint scheme.  Can anyone point me to (or provide) images of how these cars looked after a few years of service.  
Thanks
Rick


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Description:
PRR N6b Quality Craft HO Instructions


Re: American Limited Tank Car Weathering

Benjamin Hom
 

Rick Stern asked:
"I just got some of the beautiful American Limited tank cars in the original ATSF paint scheme.  Can anyone point me to (or provide) images of how these cars looked after a few years of service?

Al Smith replied:
"Look under ATSF Freight cars and then car number."
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org 

I had the same thought, but be aware that all of those photos are from the 1970s.


Ben Hom


Re: Photo: Abraham Brothers Refrigerator Line (ABRX) Reefer

Douglas Harding
 

Abraham Bros. Packing Co.

New Plant planned in Memphis Tenn. in 1930

New construction in 1948, single level plant

1931 acquires Beasley Packing Co.

Leased by Wilson in 1950

 

 

ABRX   Merchants Despatch Transportation Corp. (Abraham Bros. Packing Co.)  7/1937-4/1938

ABRX   Merchants Despatch Transportation Corp.          1/1941-4/1947

 

 

 

 


Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2021 11:35 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Abraham Brothers Refrigerator Line (ABRX) Reefer

 

[Edited Message Follows]

Photo: Abraham Brothers Refrigerator Line (ABRX) Reefer

Photo from the New York Central Historical Society:

https://nycshs.omeka.net/items/show/130256

Cranstone’s list shows ABRX as assigned to Merchants Despatch Transportation Corp./Abraham Bros. Packing Company as of 1937.

Does anyone know more about the Abraham Brothers Refrigerator Line? Hinman’s MDT book (Page 242) has this same photo and notes that two cars were built for Abraham Brothers.

I believe the Abraham Brothers Packing Company was headquarted in Memphis, TN.

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: can you help me?

Vera Mills
 

Hello Ed,
Attached is a scan of the instructions for an HO Quality Craft Models,Inc Kit No.316 PRR N6b.
Even though I purchased the kit on 3 March 1979, the only thing I have done with it is to scan the instructions!
The idea was to go into series production but first I had to learn how to cast.  Then Bowser and others supplied their models so the need was not there any more.
Unfortunately I do not know about underframes for N6a and N6b cabin cars.
Enjoy.
Regards,
Glen Mills
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
can you help me?
From: ed_mines
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2021 12:19:26 PDT

Can anyone supply a photocopy of the instructions for a HO scale Main line PRR N6B caboose?

How about Qualitycraft instructions for the same car?

Is the underframe the same for PRR N6A & N6B cabooses?

Ed Mines


Photo: Abraham Brothers Refrigerator Line (ABRX) Reefer

Bob Chaparro
 
Edited

Photo: Abraham Brothers Refrigerator Line (ABRX) Reefer

Photo from the New York Central Historical Society:

https://nycshs.omeka.net/items/show/130256

Cranstone’s list shows ABRX as assigned to Merchants Despatch Transportation Corp./Abraham Bros. Packing Company as of 1937.

Does anyone know more about the Abraham Brothers Refrigerator Line? Hinman’s MDT book (Page 242) has this same photo and notes that two cars were built for Abraham Brothers.

I believe the Abraham Brothers Packing Company was headquarted in Memphis, TN.

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Speedwitch SP A-50-4 finished

Ken Roth
 

As to the question of loads in A-50-4 SP automobile cars, I would certainly agree with Ken Adams about the use of these cars in lumber service.  I have conductor's wheel reports from 1950 on the Siskiyou line from Ashland to Dunsmuir and trains headed railroad west are overwhelmingly loads of lumber and trains headed east are virtually all empty cars with many SP automobile cars of various classes as well as foreign road cars destined for loading lumber in the Rogue River valley.  HOWEVER, my favorite load for an SP A-50-4 car (not rebuilt like the Speedwitch model) is prunes!  Yes prunes.  See photo on page 147 of Southern Pacific in Oregon Pictorial by Dill and Austin.  It shows the car being loaded with prunes from a PMT pup trailer.  This inspired me to do a kitbash of an F&C A-50-5 into the A-50-4 car in this photo.

Ken Roth


Re: American Limited Tank Car Weathering

Allan Smith
 

http//www.rr-fallenflags.org  Look under ATSF Freight cars and then car number.

On Wednesday, August 25, 2021, 11:34:06 AM PDT, Richard Stern <rjs8@...> wrote:


I just got some of the beautiful American Limited tank cars in the original ATSF paint scheme.  Can anyone point me to (or provide) images of how these cars looked after a few years of service.  
Thanks
Rick


Re: Boxcar Brake Wheel Location

brianleppert@att.net
 

With Vulcan trucks, too.

Brian Leppert


Re: Boxcar Brake Wheel Location

Mark Rossiter
 

That surely looks like an Accurail boxcar if I ever saw one!!

Mark Rossiter


Re: replacement for Ambroid cement

ed_mines
 

thanks to all who answered.

I'm using Devcon Duco cement.

Ed Mines


Re: can you help me?

ed_mines
 

thanks


Re: NP Banana Specials from Seattle to the Canadian Interior

gary laakso
 

Thanks, Chuck.  I did yesterday.

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chuck Soule
Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2021 8:02 AM
To: Reply To Group <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] NP Banana Specials from Seattle to the Canadian Interior

 

If you are on the NPTelltale list, ask there.  It seems to have more NP vets than the other NP lists.  I know Jack Christensen is on that list, and he used to run on the Sumas Line.

 

Chuck Soule


Re: C&O 50 ft DD 28500 series question

Ed Hawkins
 



On Aug 27, 2021, at 9:37 PM, Brian Carlson via groups.io <prrk41361@...> wrote:

Does anyone know if the Chesapeake and Ohio 50 foot double door box cars in the 28,500 series had asphaltum covering the same caps? Some Erie and nickel plate box cars of the same vintage had black seam caps and since all were still under AMC in 1955 I’m curious if the C&O cars also had asphaltumon the seam caps

To which Rich Christie added: 

On Aug 28, 2021, at 7:14 PM, Rich C via groups.io <rhcdmc@...> wrote:

Brian, There is a very good chance that the C&O cars were treated the same as the Erie and NKP cars. All three roads were owned by the Van Sweringen brothers at the same time.

Rich Christie

Brian & Rich,
An ACF spec sheet and two views of ACF builder photos of C&O 28517 (ACF lot 4507, 750 cars, C&O 28250-28999) denote an unpainted galvanized roof. The following two observations may be considered useful for selected models within the STMFC period. Refer to the attached close-up side view of C&O 28517, built 10-55, and enlarge the scan for the full effect. 

As Rich alluded to this was a characteristic for C&O, Erie, and NKP box cars, particularly common of new cars built during the STMFC period mid-to-late 1950s in which unpainted galvanized steel roofs received a “tiger-stripe” appearance of black car cement applied to the roof seam caps for protection against leakage & corrosion as the seam caps were typically open hearth steel. 

An order of Erie PS-1 box cars built in early 1954 (lot 8175) is another example illustrated by an overhead Pullman-Standard photo available from the Smithsonian Institution Haskell and Barker Car Company Collection, negative no. 8236. This example is the earliest application of on a PS-1 box car that I’m aware of.

1. This striping effect was applicable not only on the narrow crosswise seam caps but also a wider spray of car cement across the top of the otherwise unpainted galvanized steel rectangular open-grid running board. This wider sprayed area ensured the running board saddles also made of open hearth steel & the riveted connections were protected from leakage & corrosion where the running board crossed over each seam cap.

2. Black car cement applied along the outer roof edge where rivets joined the roof to the side plate. Unseen is car cement applied along the underside of the roof edge & upper leg of the side plate prior to riveting the joint. This method provided a protective seal against leakage along the entire roof edge. It’s also noted that along the roof edge above the side plate was the lack of uniform masking along the roof edge. Metallic Brown paint used for spraying the sides was irregularly over-sprayed onto the roof edge. Metallic Brown paint over-spray hid the black car cement along the roof edge, whereas other areas not over-sprayed show evidence of black car cement along the roof edge.

Regards,
Ed Hawkins





Re: Swift Stock Car Decals

O Fenton Wells
 

Gerry Glow does, thru Tichy and try eBay for the old Champ sets.
Fenton

On Sun, Aug 29, 2021 at 11:36 AM Allen Cain <Allencaintn@...> wrote:
Does anyone offer Swift Stock Car decals in HO scale?

--
Allen Cain
Modeling the Southern in 1955

--
Allen Cain
Modeling the Southern in 1955 in HO Scale



--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
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Swift Stock Car Decals

Allen Cain
 

Does anyone offer Swift Stock Car decals in HO scale?

--
Allen Cain
Modeling the Southern in 1955

--
Allen Cain
Modeling the Southern in 1955 in HO Scale


Re: NP Banana Specials from Seattle to the Canadian Interior

Chuck Soule
 

If you are on the NPTelltale list, ask there.  It seems to have more NP vets than the other NP lists.  I know Jack Christensen is on that list, and he used to run on the Sumas Line.
 
Chuck Soule

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