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Re: Speedwitch SP A-50-4 finished

Ken Roth
 

As to the question of loads in A-50-4 SP automobile cars, I would certainly agree with Ken Adams about the use of these cars in lumber service.  I have conductor's wheel reports from 1950 on the Siskiyou line from Ashland to Dunsmuir and trains headed railroad west are overwhelmingly loads of lumber and trains headed east are virtually all empty cars with many SP automobile cars of various classes as well as foreign road cars destined for loading lumber in the Rogue River valley.  HOWEVER, my favorite load for an SP A-50-4 car (not rebuilt like the Speedwitch model) is prunes!  Yes prunes.  See photo on page 147 of Southern Pacific in Oregon Pictorial by Dill and Austin.  It shows the car being loaded with prunes from a PMT pup trailer.  This inspired me to do a kitbash of an F&C A-50-5 into the A-50-4 car in this photo.

Ken Roth


Re: American Limited Tank Car Weathering

Allan Smith
 

http//www.rr-fallenflags.org  Look under ATSF Freight cars and then car number.

On Wednesday, August 25, 2021, 11:34:06 AM PDT, Richard Stern <rjs8@...> wrote:


I just got some of the beautiful American Limited tank cars in the original ATSF paint scheme.  Can anyone point me to (or provide) images of how these cars looked after a few years of service.  
Thanks
Rick


Re: Boxcar Brake Wheel Location

brianleppert@att.net
 

With Vulcan trucks, too.

Brian Leppert


Re: Boxcar Brake Wheel Location

Mark Rossiter
 

That surely looks like an Accurail boxcar if I ever saw one!!

Mark Rossiter


Re: replacement for Ambroid cement

ed_mines
 

thanks to all who answered.

I'm using Devcon Duco cement.

Ed Mines


Re: can you help me?

ed_mines
 

thanks


Re: NP Banana Specials from Seattle to the Canadian Interior

gary laakso
 

Thanks, Chuck.  I did yesterday.

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chuck Soule
Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2021 8:02 AM
To: Reply To Group <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] NP Banana Specials from Seattle to the Canadian Interior

 

If you are on the NPTelltale list, ask there.  It seems to have more NP vets than the other NP lists.  I know Jack Christensen is on that list, and he used to run on the Sumas Line.

 

Chuck Soule


Re: C&O 50 ft DD 28500 series question

Ed Hawkins
 



On Aug 27, 2021, at 9:37 PM, Brian Carlson via groups.io <prrk41361@...> wrote:

Does anyone know if the Chesapeake and Ohio 50 foot double door box cars in the 28,500 series had asphaltum covering the same caps? Some Erie and nickel plate box cars of the same vintage had black seam caps and since all were still under AMC in 1955 I’m curious if the C&O cars also had asphaltumon the seam caps

To which Rich Christie added: 

On Aug 28, 2021, at 7:14 PM, Rich C via groups.io <rhcdmc@...> wrote:

Brian, There is a very good chance that the C&O cars were treated the same as the Erie and NKP cars. All three roads were owned by the Van Sweringen brothers at the same time.

Rich Christie

Brian & Rich,
An ACF spec sheet and two views of ACF builder photos of C&O 28517 (ACF lot 4507, 750 cars, C&O 28250-28999) denote an unpainted galvanized roof. The following two observations may be considered useful for selected models within the STMFC period. Refer to the attached close-up side view of C&O 28517, built 10-55, and enlarge the scan for the full effect. 

As Rich alluded to this was a characteristic for C&O, Erie, and NKP box cars, particularly common of new cars built during the STMFC period mid-to-late 1950s in which unpainted galvanized steel roofs received a “tiger-stripe” appearance of black car cement applied to the roof seam caps for protection against leakage & corrosion as the seam caps were typically open hearth steel. 

An order of Erie PS-1 box cars built in early 1954 (lot 8175) is another example illustrated by an overhead Pullman-Standard photo available from the Smithsonian Institution Haskell and Barker Car Company Collection, negative no. 8236. This example is the earliest application of on a PS-1 box car that I’m aware of.

1. This striping effect was applicable not only on the narrow crosswise seam caps but also a wider spray of car cement across the top of the otherwise unpainted galvanized steel rectangular open-grid running board. This wider sprayed area ensured the running board saddles also made of open hearth steel & the riveted connections were protected from leakage & corrosion where the running board crossed over each seam cap.

2. Black car cement applied along the outer roof edge where rivets joined the roof to the side plate. Unseen is car cement applied along the underside of the roof edge & upper leg of the side plate prior to riveting the joint. This method provided a protective seal against leakage along the entire roof edge. It’s also noted that along the roof edge above the side plate was the lack of uniform masking along the roof edge. Metallic Brown paint used for spraying the sides was irregularly over-sprayed onto the roof edge. Metallic Brown paint over-spray hid the black car cement along the roof edge, whereas other areas not over-sprayed show evidence of black car cement along the roof edge.

Regards,
Ed Hawkins





Re: Swift Stock Car Decals

O Fenton Wells
 

Gerry Glow does, thru Tichy and try eBay for the old Champ sets.
Fenton

On Sun, Aug 29, 2021 at 11:36 AM Allen Cain <Allencaintn@...> wrote:
Does anyone offer Swift Stock Car decals in HO scale?

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Allen Cain
Modeling the Southern in 1955

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Allen Cain
Modeling the Southern in 1955 in HO Scale



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Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
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Swift Stock Car Decals

Allen Cain
 

Does anyone offer Swift Stock Car decals in HO scale?

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Allen Cain
Modeling the Southern in 1955

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Allen Cain
Modeling the Southern in 1955 in HO Scale


Re: NP Banana Specials from Seattle to the Canadian Interior

Chuck Soule
 

If you are on the NPTelltale list, ask there.  It seems to have more NP vets than the other NP lists.  I know Jack Christensen is on that list, and he used to run on the Sumas Line.
 
Chuck Soule


Re: looking for StLB&M box car photo

Tim O'Connor
 


Thanks Ed ! The Athearn blue box car has 5/5 ends, but the decal number sheet starts with 20650.
This one sure isn't going to win any RPM contests. :-D:-P

Tim O'Connor


On 8/28/2021 5:30 PM, Ed Hawkins wrote:


On Aug 28, 2021, at 2:32 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

I have an MPHS kit for a 50 foot all steel, double door box car with number decals,
but no other information. I assume there is such a prototype (although probably not this
Athearn blue box model), and I'd like to number it accurately. :-)

StLB&M = St Louis Brownsville & Mexico

Tim,
StLB&M had two series of steel 50’-6” double-door box/auto cars.

1. 20600-20649, built 10-45, ACF lot 2762, 10’-6” IH, 15’-1” clear door openings, Superior 7-panel doors, 5-5 round-corner Dreadnaught ends, Murphy roof, riveted sides 5 to left of door, 8 to right of door, Ajax hand brake, Apex running boards & brake step. 

2. 20650-20699, built 12-47, MP DeSoto shops, 10’-6” IH, 15’-0” clear door openings, Youngstown doors of the 1947 design, 4-4 Improved Dreadnaught ends, Murphy roof, riveted sides 4 to left of door, 6 to right of door, Ajax hand brake, Apex running boards & brake step.

Depending on your plans for the model, there are more details that I can provide if they are of interest.

Regards,
Ed Hawkins


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Freight Reefer Data White O-scale Decals Champ OD-17 on eBay

William Mosteller
 

Just the thing for detail hounds.

Freight Reefer Data White O-scale Decals Champ OD-17 https://ebay.us/p5rdEN

No reasonable offer refused, unreasonable ones considered. Thanks.

--
Best wishes,
Bill Mosteller
Great Decals!


Re: NP Banana Specials from Seattle to the Canadian Interior

Mansell Peter Hambly
 

Canadian Pacific. The Canadian side of the boarder was Huntingdon, B.C..

 

Mansell Peter Hambly

COQUITLAM, B.C.

 

 

 

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From: gary laakso
Sent: August 28, 2021 6:40 PM
To: 'stmfc'
Subject: [RealSTMFC] NP Banana Specials from Seattle to the Canadian Interior

 

Jim Frederickson mentioned on page 48 of his book Railroad Shutterbug that the Northern Pacific ran “Banana Specials” from the Seattle docks via Sumas and that were destined for the “Canadian interior”.  It appears that these specials moved in the 1950s.  Does anyone know which Canadian railroad NP interchanged the “Banana Specials” with and whether NP supplied refrigerator cars for this move or were they all from its interchange partner.  TIA

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 


NP Banana Specials from Seattle to the Canadian Interior

gary laakso
 

Jim Frederickson mentioned on page 48 of his book Railroad Shutterbug that the Northern Pacific ran “Banana Specials” from the Seattle docks via Sumas and that were destined for the “Canadian interior”.  It appears that these specials moved in the 1950s.  Does anyone know which Canadian railroad NP interchanged the “Banana Specials” with and whether NP supplied refrigerator cars for this move or were they all from its interchange partner.  TIA

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock


Re: C&O 50 ft DD 28500 series question

Rich C
 

Brian, There is a very good chance that the C&O cars were treated the same as the Erie and NKP cars. All three roads were owned by the Van Sweringen brothers at the same time.

Rich Christie

On Friday, August 27, 2021, 09:37:13 PM CDT, Brian Carlson via groups.io <prrk41361@...> wrote:


Does anyone know if the Chesapeake and Ohio 50 foot double door box cars in the 28,500 series had asphaltum covering the same caps? Some Erie and nickel plate box cars of the same vintage had black seam caps and since all were still under AMC in 1955 I’m curious if the C&O cars also had asphaltumon the seam caps

Brian J. Carlson






Re: looking for StLB&M box car photo

Ed Hawkins
 



On Aug 28, 2021, at 2:32 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

I have an MPHS kit for a 50 foot all steel, double door box car with number decals,
but no other information. I assume there is such a prototype (although probably not this
Athearn blue box model), and I'd like to number it accurately. :-)

StLB&M = St Louis Brownsville & Mexico

Tim,
StLB&M had two series of steel 50’-6” double-door box/auto cars.

1. 20600-20649, built 10-45, ACF lot 2762, 10’-6” IH, 15’-1” clear door openings, Superior 7-panel doors, 5-5 round-corner Dreadnaught ends, Murphy roof, riveted sides 5 to left of door, 8 to right of door, Ajax hand brake, Apex running boards & brake step. 

2. 20650-20699, built 12-47, MP DeSoto shops, 10’-6” IH, 15’-0” clear door openings, Youngstown doors of the 1947 design, 4-4 Improved Dreadnaught ends, Murphy roof, riveted sides 4 to left of door, 6 to right of door, Ajax hand brake, Apex running boards & brake step.

Depending on your plans for the model, there are more details that I can provide if they are of interest.

Regards,
Ed Hawkins



looking for StLB&M box car photo

Tim O'Connor
 

STMFCer's

I have an MPHS kit for a 50 foot all steel, double door box car with number decals,
but no other information. I assume there is such a prototype (although probably not this
Athearn blue box model), and I'd like to number it accurately. :-)

StLB&M = St Louis Brownsville & Mexico

Tim O'Connor


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Speedwitch SP A-50-4 finished

Charlie Duckworth
 

Ken
i had a couple issues building mine; the upper door track was extremely bend and I used it as a template using Evergreen 1” x 3” shapes and Archer rivets.  I’m happy how it came out.  As much as I tried I couldn’t bend the brass ladder in a right angle even with a bending tool designed for this purpose.  I used the ladder’s right brass part but the left one I used the brass part as a template for the hole locations and made one out of Evergreen.  Doing the end ladders kept the project on the ‘shelf of no return’ for several years. 
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Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: can you help me?

lrkdbn
 

try the site "hoseeker" they have a lot of old instruction sheets
Larry King

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