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Re: [EXT] [RealSTMFC] Rapido announces HO Scale UTLX 10,000 gallon X-3 tankcar

Bruce Smith
 

Andy,

Oh boy... this is gonna hurt my bank account!!

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


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Subject: [EXT] [RealSTMFC] Rapido announces HO Scale UTLX 10,000 gallon X-3 tankcar
 
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You read that right.

https://rapidotrains.com/products/ho-scale/freight-cars/ho-scale-union-x-3-tankcar

Andy L.
Madison, WI


Re: Sunshine Kits

O Fenton Wells
 

Thanks Michael,
Fenton

On Mon, Sep 13, 2021 at 6:57 PM Michael Gross <ActorMichaelGross@...> wrote:
Dear Friends,

Today I stopped at the Original Whistle Stop in Pasadena, CA and photographed some of the Sunshine models still available.  It is my understanding that some are partially built, but call the store for information and prices:  (626) 796-7791. Notice there are ten Intermountain ATSF plastic reefer kits available, as well.  Happy hunting!
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Michael Gross
Pasadena, CA



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Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
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Re: Sunshine Kits

Michael Gross
 

Dear Friends,

Today I stopped at the Original Whistle Stop in Pasadena, CA and photographed some of the Sunshine models still available.  It is my understanding that some are partially built, but call the store for information and prices:  (626) 796-7791. Notice there are ten Intermountain ATSF plastic reefer kits available, as well.  Happy hunting!
--
Michael Gross
Pasadena, CA


Re: Model: SRLX 6310

robert netzlof <rtnetzlof@...>
 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dennis Storzek" <dennis@accurail.com>

But WWII seems too late for orthochromatic film...
Yes, panchromatic film was available in those days, but I'm not at all certain its use was general. Verichrome, what one got at the drugstore when one asked for "film", was orthochromatic and wasn't replaced by Verichrome Pan until 1956. Further, it appears that there were several, at least three, versions of panchromatic film which varied in their sensitivity to red light. Thus it's possible that the photo in question could have been made on almost any kind of film ever known to man. If the photographer used a colored filter then all bets are off.

"The past is a foreign country."


--
Bob Netzlof a/k/a Sweet Old Bob


Re: Model: SRLX 6310

 

I was going to reply something similar, but then remembered we used to use yellow filters to pop SP’s red nose out from the gray. 

Thanks!
Brian Ehni 
(Sent from my iPhone)

On Sep 13, 2021, at 3:56 PM, Dennis Storzek <dennis@...> wrote:

On Mon, Sep 13, 2021 at 12:20 PM, Scott wrote:
There has been discussion that the top was reefer yellow not red.  The letters in the photo above are to dark in my opinion to be gold.  But it doesn't make much sense as why they would not have painted the top red.  I have the sunshine kit but haven't finished it.  I cant decide which way to go on it with the paint job.
Wow, what a can of worms. Knowing how some older B&W film rendered colors, my first thought was that the bottom color was red, while the upper color was blue and the lettering yellow. But WWII seems too late for orthochromatic film, and I've seen that film make blue literally disappear, so my next thought was the photographer used a color filter to get better tonal separation between the red and blue since both normally print as mid-tone gray. A red filter would have darkened the blue and lightened the red, but would have turned the yellow  lettering white. All I can surmise is the lettering in the red band was not yellow, OR was painted a different color specifically for this photo.

Dennis Storzek


Rapido announces HO Scale UTLX 10,000 gallon X-3 tankcar

Andy Laurent
 


Re: Model: SRLX 6310

Dennis Storzek
 

On Mon, Sep 13, 2021 at 12:20 PM, Scott wrote:
There has been discussion that the top was reefer yellow not red.  The letters in the photo above are to dark in my opinion to be gold.  But it doesn't make much sense as why they would not have painted the top red.  I have the sunshine kit but haven't finished it.  I cant decide which way to go on it with the paint job.
Wow, what a can of worms. Knowing how some older B&W film rendered colors, my first thought was that the bottom color was red, while the upper color was blue and the lettering yellow. But WWII seems too late for orthochromatic film, and I've seen that film make blue literally disappear, so my next thought was the photographer used a color filter to get better tonal separation between the red and blue since both normally print as mid-tone gray. A red filter would have darkened the blue and lightened the red, but would have turned the yellow  lettering white. All I can surmise is the lettering in the red band was not yellow, OR was painted a different color specifically for this photo.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Model: SRLX 6310

Richard Townsend
 

Clover House offers dry transfers for this scheme.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


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Subject: [RealSTMFC] Model: SRLX 6310

Model: SRLX 6310
I photographed this N scale model of a Swift refrigerator car on the recent Pacific Southwest Region/NMRA Convention layout tour in Orange County, CA.
The car is decorated in an obvious World War II patriotic paint scheme.
My question is, is this an authentic paint scheme or just whimsical? Perhaps adapted from a prototype paint scheme applied to a different car?
Thanks.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: Manure shipped by rail

Steve Salotti
 

Hello Robert
For many years the PRR shipped carloads of manure from farms to the Kennet Square PA area.  The loads were destined for mushroom growers located throughout the area.  After many years, the shipments were stopped when the local fire departments refused to respond when the loads of manure left in the sun too long would spontaneously combust.  Not a pleasant task.
Steve Salotti


Re: Model: SRLX 6310

Scott
 

There has been discussion that the top was reefer yellow not red.  The letters in the photo above are to dark in my opinion to be gold.  But it doesn't make much sense as why they would not have painted the top red.  I have the sunshine kit but haven't finished it.  I cant decide which way to go on it with the paint job.

Scott McDonald 


Refrigerator Cars As Grain Carriers

Bob Chaparro
 

Refrigerator Cars As Grain Carriers

On those probably rare occasions that ice bunker refrigerator cars were used to transport grain because of boxcar shortages, how would the grain doors be secured to the inside of the car?

From what I have read using nails to secure things to the interior walls of refrigerator cars was heavily discouraged.

Anyone?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Model: SRLX 6310

brianleppert@att.net
 

From Carroll Schmitt collection

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV


Re: Model: SRLX 6310

 

I notice it’s derailed.

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of "Bob Chaparro via groups.io" <chiefbobbb@...>
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Date: Monday, September 13, 2021 at 1:14 PM
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Subject: [RealSTMFC] Model: SRLX 6310

 

Model: SRLX 6310

I photographed this N scale model of a Swift refrigerator car on the recent Pacific Southwest Region/NMRA Convention layout tour in Orange County, CA.

The car is decorated in an obvious World War II patriotic paint scheme.

My question is, is this an authentic paint scheme or just whimsical? Perhaps adapted from a prototype paint scheme applied to a different car?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: [EXT] [RealSTMFC] Model: SRLX 6310

Bruce Smith
 

Bob,


The paint scheme is prototypical and was just offered in the latest run of the Rapido General America 37’  reefer. Rapido offered two numbers, 6307, and 6310.

 

Regards,

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL

 

 

 

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Subject: [EXT] [RealSTMFC] Model: SRLX 6310

 

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Model: SRLX 6310

I photographed this N scale model of a Swift refrigerator car on the recent Pacific Southwest Region/NMRA Convention layout tour in Orange County, CA.

The car is decorated in an obvious World War II patriotic paint scheme.

My question is, is this an authentic paint scheme or just whimsical? Perhaps adapted from a prototype paint scheme applied to a different car?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Model: SRLX 6310

Bob Chaparro
 

Model: SRLX 6310

I photographed this N scale model of a Swift refrigerator car on the recent Pacific Southwest Region/NMRA Convention layout tour in Orange County, CA.

The car is decorated in an obvious World War II patriotic paint scheme.

My question is, is this an authentic paint scheme or just whimsical? Perhaps adapted from a prototype paint scheme applied to a different car?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Fertilizer by any other name would smell as sweet (was Manure shipped by rail)

Nolan Hinshaw
 

On Sep 13, 2021, at 05:11, Robert G P <bobgp5109@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello group,
[in re: rail shipment of "steersch", as a family friend called it]

I'm more familiar with the shipment of sugar beet beet pulp to feedlot, whereat the combined aromas of the two organic waste products would mingle in strange and wondrous ways. The operations which I witnessed as a child were short-haul, from a local sugar mill to nearby feedlots, and no more recently than the early 1950s.

[Woodland, CA, Spreckels, where Dad was a foreman, to no farther than North Sacramento]
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Artie the Hinged Jaw
Retired AFU Game Warden


Re: [EXT] [RealSTMFC] Manure shipped by rail

Alex Huff
 

Since 1926 (I looked it up) the city of Milwaukee has sold dried sewage sludge under the brand name Milorganite. Once a year, a golf course north of Grand Rapids, MI would receive a 40' boxcar of bagged Milorganite.  It was touted as a source of slow release nitrogen.  The car was spotted on a team track in Rockford, MI.  There was no odor.  The name is derived from Milwaukee Organic Nitrogen.   


Re: Manure shipped by rail

Andy Laurent
 

On Mon, Sep 13, 2021 at 05:11 AM, Robert G P wrote:
Hello group, 
 
I model the midwest and wanted some extra uses for my gons and hoppers so It was my conjecture that "bulk" manure loads might be an accurate bill for them? 
 
-Bob
Bob, I have evidence of 4 carloads of bulk manure being shipped in gondolas from Union Stock Yards in Chicago, IL to an orchard company in Sturgeon Bay, WI.  The shipment was made in one block (4 cars moving together) and was delivered to a team track in downtown Sturgeon Bay (in early summer).  The cars were unloaded by hand into trucks.  The shipment was NOT repeated!

Andy L.
Madison, WI


Re: Manure shipped by rail

Douglas Harding
 

Gons were used for shipping manure, not aware of hoppers being used in this service. It was also bagged, which could be shipped on a flatcar or in a boxcar. In the Midwest most often it was coming from large stockyards and packing plants. Usually shipped to rural areas where it was sold to farmers for applying to their fields for fertilizer, esp in the days before commercial fertilizer. It was also bagged and shipped for gardens. Attached are a few photos and documents related to shipping manure by rail. Team tracks or a remote siding could be used for unloading. Workers with shovels and pitchforks were the norm. Clamshell buckets on a crane were used at large operations. Loading of gons was similar to coal, wagons and carts dumping from an elevated ramp. Or the clamshell bucket and crane.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert G P
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2021 7:11 AM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Manure shipped by rail

 

Hello group, 

 

I model the midwest and wanted some extra uses for my gons and hoppers so It was my conjecture that "bulk" manure loads might be an accurate bill for them? 

 

Lets say the manure is traveling to a feed/seed shop (like heater coal would to a dealer) to be sold in smaller portions to folks with gardens or to larger farming operations. I suppose in the latter case a farmer may have his own hopper(s) full and spotted on a team track for unloading. 

 

To all those with the knowledge - is any of this realistic? Have you heard of anything like this? Sounds like a good way to add in some extra operations and maybe even have fun making sure the cars aren't too close to the caboose!

 

-Bob


Re: [EXT] [RealSTMFC] Manure shipped by rail

Bruce Smith
 

Bob,

I don't think that would be realistic. First, manure needs to be composted before it can be used in gardens. It is too "hot" and full of hay seeds. That's fine to spread on the fields, but a disaster to spread on a garden. Second, that's a lot of manure! Third, a local operation would get manure locally. The dairy farm up the street or the local livery stable (if such still existed in your time frame). One of the only operations that I know of that actively shipped manure was from the horse farms and race tracks of the middle Atlantic region to the mushroom farms in Kennet Square PA. That was (and remains) a high volume business, with large composting operations, and many mushroom houses concentrated locally. 

The gondolas used for manure were pretty much embargoed from other uses and thus the PRR used old composite GR and GRA class cars. When the manure/hay mix spontaneously combusted, as it was want to do, especially in the summer months, local fire departments would be called to a grade crossing to put out the burning car, but they quickly started refusing to come to these calls, resulting ultimately in the embargoing of the load on the railroad.

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


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Subject: [EXT] [RealSTMFC] Manure shipped by rail
 
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Hello group, 

I model the midwest and wanted some extra uses for my gons and hoppers so It was my conjecture that "bulk" manure loads might be an accurate bill for them? 

Lets say the manure is traveling to a feed/seed shop (like heater coal would to a dealer) to be sold in smaller portions to folks with gardens or to larger farming operations. I suppose in the latter case a farmer may have his own hopper(s) full and spotted on a team track for unloading. 

To all those with the knowledge - is any of this realistic? Have you heard of anything like this? Sounds like a good way to add in some extra operations and maybe even have fun making sure the cars aren't too close to the caboose!

-Bob

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