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Re: D&H P-S Box Car Decals

hubert mask
 

Wow who ever offers them I hope they have a better photo to do so.

Hubert Mask


On Sep 14, 2021, at 7:15 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


CDS set #594 is for the 1952 D&H PS-1's.

Tim O'Connor

On 9/14/2021 5:21 PM, Scott H. Haycock wrote:
Folks,

Can anyone provide a source for decals for D&H 40' PS-1 boxcars, series 20000-20249, Built in 1956? There is a photo here:

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/dh/dh20150bs.jpg

There is also a photo on page 48 (center) of the D&H Color Guide.

Microscale has a set, but it lacks the round herald.

Thanks,
Scott Haycock


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: D&H P-S Box Car Decals

Tim O'Connor
 


CDS set #594 is for the 1952 D&H PS-1's.

Tim O'Connor

On 9/14/2021 5:21 PM, Scott H. Haycock wrote:
Folks,

Can anyone provide a source for decals for D&H 40' PS-1 boxcars, series 20000-20249, Built in 1956? There is a photo here:

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/dh/dh20150bs.jpg

There is also a photo on page 48 (center) of the D&H Color Guide.

Microscale has a set, but it lacks the round herald.

Thanks,
Scott Haycock


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: resin model kits - canopy glue

Tim O'Connor
 


I just repaired a brass model (loose freight car bolster) with canopy glue. In the past I have
used epoxy for this kind of thing (epoxy is definitely safe below freezing and even safe when
the brass model's paint is 'baked' at 150 degrees), so this is a new test. I applied a small amount
of canopy glue with a toothpick and clamped the parts together, and it's a rock solid joint now.
Invisible too.

Tim O'Connor


On 9/14/2021 3:02 PM, Tony Thompson wrote:
Ray Hutchison wrote:

The bottle of canopy glue does say to protect from freezing.  My layout will be in unheated garage space, and it does get cold in Green Bay.  So... if it does get to freezing, does the model simply pop apart?  At what temperature?  And is Gorilla the best alternative if not canopy glue?
I am sure the notation on the glue bottle refers to the glue in that liquid form. It certainly does not refer to the glue when polymerized and set as an adhesive. I have had some challenging material combinations (etched metal grilles on plastic F-unit locomotives), glued with canopy glue, exposed to freezing temperatures with no problems. 

Tony Thompson
tony@...


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: D&H P-S Box Car Decals

Scott H. Haycock
 

Thanks, Fenton
 
I ordered a set. The herald isn't correct, But I also ordered one of their hopper sets which looks to have the right one.

Scott Haycock
Modeling Tarheel country in the Land of Enchantm
ent

On 09/14/2021 3:42 PM O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:
 
 
I believe K4 has the decals you need.  Google K4 and look up D&H
Fenton

On Tue, Sep 14, 2021 at 5:21 PM Scott H. Haycock < shhaycock@...> wrote:
Folks,

Can anyone provide a source for decals for D&H 40' PS-1 boxcars, series 20000-20249, Built in 1956? There is a photo here:

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/dh/dh20150bs.jpg

There is also a photo on page 48 (center) of the D&H Color Guide.

Microscale has a set, but it lacks the round herald.

Thanks,
Scott Haycock

 

 


 
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Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


Re: D&H P-S Box Car Decals

O Fenton Wells
 

I believe K4 has the decals you need.  Google K4 and look up D&H
Fenton

On Tue, Sep 14, 2021 at 5:21 PM Scott H. Haycock <shhaycock@...> wrote:
Folks,

Can anyone provide a source for decals for D&H 40' PS-1 boxcars, series 20000-20249, Built in 1956? There is a photo here:

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/dh/dh20150bs.jpg

There is also a photo on page 48 (center) of the D&H Color Guide.

Microscale has a set, but it lacks the round herald.

Thanks,
Scott Haycock



--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


D&H P-S Box Car Decals

Scott H. Haycock
 

Folks,

Can anyone provide a source for decals for D&H 40' PS-1 boxcars, series 20000-20249, Built in 1956? There is a photo here:

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/dh/dh20150bs.jpg

There is also a photo on page 48 (center) of the D&H Color Guide.

Microscale has a set, but it lacks the round herald.

Thanks,
Scott Haycock


Re: Manure shipped by rail

Charlie Vlk
 

Eric-

Let me know when you need to finish your model of this facility.

I have several friends down the road from our house that have horses…..

Charlie Vlk

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2021 9:13 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Manure shipped by rail

 

Before motorized vehicles dominated the streets, cities had to clean up the waste left by horses and teams. An August 1912 photo if the Pennsy's Try Street team yard in Pittsburgh, PA, captures a transfer facility. I had long thought it was used to load gondolas from wagons to transfer the animal waste. Here's the photo. Click on the image to use the enhanced functions to zoom in for a look.

 

This photo is actually part of the documentation for a very large public works project that removed many cubic feet of earth that had been a hump on several city streets. Hence the image title of Hump District. Dirt was loaded into wagons by steam shovel then transported a few blocks to this transfer platform to load into gondolas below.

 

But we can easily see a loaded WNY&P GS gondola beside the transfer platform. It seems to be topped off with what looks like manure. Another partially loaded gondola is ahead with a wagon adjacent that my have just been emptied by shovel. Cities of that time had many stables that needed to be cleaned out daily. Moving the bulk material out to surrounding farms was easier using rail.

 

 

 

Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

 

On 09/14/2021 7:53 AM ron christensen via groups.io <rxensen@...> wrote:

 

 

I have never heard of a farmer selling or giving away manure, but that might have happened. That was a very useful fertilizer for the farmer.
Usually the manure is a product of large stock yards or race tracks
 In the case of Chicago race tracks a lot of manure was shipped on the old PM to mushroom plants in Michigan.
The manure was shipped in gondolas and weighed in New buffalo Mi. If the car was too heavy some had to be unloaded.
All that went away in the 70s as trucks started hauling the manure
Ron Christensen

 


Re: Manure shipped by rail

Charlie Vlk
 

All-

Before the era of this group but I think interesting to this discussion, there was a spur off the 1864 “Chicago Branch” (aka the CB&Q “Racetrack”) just west of the Chicago city limit  which at the time was at  Western Avenue into the area that would become Douglas Park.  It was labeled “Stock Car Spur” and I surmise that it was used for cleaning out the manure from stock cars being sent west after unloading livestock at the Chicago Union Stockyards which were south of that location.  At the time the area was low swampy land with very few neighbors to complain….and it enriched the soil for the park to come!

Charlie Vlk

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Douglas Harding
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2021 10:32 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Manure shipped by rail

 

Let me add that sometimes gons of manure were just hauled to a remote yard location, ie in the country somewhere, and unloaded into a wet or swampy area. Of course this was all in the days before landfills and EPA.

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Douglas Harding via groups.io
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2021 8:19 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Manure shipped by rail

 

Gons were used for shipping manure, not aware of hoppers being used in this service. It was also bagged, which could be shipped on a flatcar or in a boxcar. In the Midwest most often it was coming from large stockyards and packing plants. Usually shipped to rural areas where it was sold to farmers for applying to their fields for fertilizer, esp in the days before commercial fertilizer. It was also bagged and shipped for gardens. Attached are a few photos and documents related to shipping manure by rail. Team tracks or a remote siding could be used for unloading. Workers with shovels and pitchforks were the norm. Clamshell buckets on a crane were used at large operations. Loading of gons was similar to coal, wagons and carts dumping from an elevated ramp. Or the clamshell bucket and crane.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert G P
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2021 7:11 AM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Manure shipped by rail

 

Hello group, 

 

I model the midwest and wanted some extra uses for my gons and hoppers so It was my conjecture that "bulk" manure loads might be an accurate bill for them? 

 

Lets say the manure is traveling to a feed/seed shop (like heater coal would to a dealer) to be sold in smaller portions to folks with gardens or to larger farming operations. I suppose in the latter case a farmer may have his own hopper(s) full and spotted on a team track for unloading. 

 

To all those with the knowledge - is any of this realistic? Have you heard of anything like this? Sounds like a good way to add in some extra operations and maybe even have fun making sure the cars aren't too close to the caboose!

 

-Bob


Re: Color recommendation for post 1945-1950 painted GN SS single door boxcar

Robert kirkham
 

It isn’t model paint information, but FYI, there is a nice video of a train wreck showing a GN car in April 1954 at this link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdtnVk2M3YU

Rob

On Sep 14, 2021, at 5:52 AM, Richard Remiarz <rremiarz@...> wrote:

Charlie,
 
For mineral red I use Tru-Color TCP-214.  During the 1950’s, until October 1, 1956, the entire car including underbody and trucks would be painted mineral red.  After October 1 the GN began repainting cars with vermillion red.  For vermillion painted cars the trucks and underbody were painted mineral red.
 
Sincerely,
Rich Remiarz
Vadnais Heights, MN
Editor/Coordinator GNRHS Modelers’ Pages
 
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From: Charlie Duckworth
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2021 7:42 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Color recommendation for post 1945-1950 painted GN SS single door boxcar
 

I’m at the point with my Westerfield 50’ GN SS single door boxcar where I need to paint it. The instructions advise ‘mineral red’ for the time period in which it would have been shopped and painted. Any suggestions from the GN modelers on the list?  How was the roof and underframe coated?   Tim sent me a shot of a car painted in a oxide color but advised I contact the SMEs.   


Also the number series seem confusing (to me at least) some cars in 29000 group, others in 38000, 42000, 43000 and 5100.  Westerfield car has numbering for the 42000 series.  Attached is an image from my collection of one in company service  

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-- 
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.

 
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Re: Model: SRLX 6310

Dennis Storzek
 



From the Carroll Schmitt collection

I think everyone is missing my point. The B&W photos of the State of Maine cars establish the problem facing the photographer; Without a filter, both the red and blue stripe will print as almost the same shade of gray. To capture the colorful nature of the car, he must choose a filter. If we can determine which filter he chose, we can use that to decipher the placement of the colors.

This web site has a very good visual aid of the effect of different filters on ALL the colors in the composition:
https://www.photographymad.com/pages/view/using-coloured-filters-in-black-and-white-photography
Page down a bit to the chart.

We can see that the filter lightens like colors, but also affects the other colors in a predictable way.

If the top stripe was RED, a red filter would lighten it, but would also turn the yellow (or dulux gold) "refrigerator" lettering white. Such is not the case.

If the top stripe is Blue, a blue filter would lighten it, but would also turn the "refrigerator" lettering dark, which it did  Blue is the only color filter that will turn yellow or gold lettering dark.

Therefore, the top stripe is blue.

Dennis Storzek


Re: resin model kits - canopy glue

Tony Thompson
 

Ray Hutchison wrote:

The bottle of canopy glue does say to protect from freezing. My layout will be in unheated garage space, and it does get cold in Green Bay. So... if it does get to freezing, does the model simply pop apart? At what temperature? And is Gorilla the best alternative if not canopy glue?
I am sure the notation on the glue bottle refers to the glue in that liquid form. It certainly does not refer to the glue when polymerized and set as an adhesive. I have had some challenging material combinations (etched metal grilles on plastic F-unit locomotives), glued with canopy glue, exposed to freezing temperatures with no problems.

Tony Thompson
tony@signaturepress.com


resin model kits - canopy glue

Ray Hutchison
 

So I was going to start build on a couple of resin kits, thought I would try canopy glue this time, and then someone here (or another list) posted about taking models apart, putting them in the freezer, dropping them, and everything would pop apart.  I could have used that information a year ago, when I ruined a model trying to take an end off (the seller either did not mention or more likely did not know that it was resin kit) but...  now it brings things to a halt.  The bottle of canopy glue does say to protect from freezing.  My layout will be in unheated garage space, and it does get cold in Green Bay.  So... if it does get to freezing, does the model simply pop apart?  At what temperature?  And is Gorilla the best alternative if not canopy glue?

I know that I will not be leaving locomotives in the garage space, but the idea of moving several boxes of cars is a but overwhelming.

Ray Hutchison
Green Bay, WI


Re: Model: SRLX 6310

Dan Miller
 

Thanks very much for this photo, Brian.  Aside from the question of stripe color, it looks like many of the details of this car differ from the Rapido offering.

Dan Miller


Re: Color recommendation for post 1945-1950 painted GN SS single door boxcar

Charlie Duckworth
 

Thanks for the clarification. I have shots of 5194 and 5196.  5194 has an X in front of the number so I assume these are probably company service numbers and not revenue cars. 
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Manure shipped by rail

Douglas Harding
 

Let me add that sometimes gons of manure were just hauled to a remote yard location, ie in the country somewhere, and unloaded into a wet or swampy area. Of course this was all in the days before landfills and EPA.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Douglas Harding via groups.io
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2021 8:19 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Manure shipped by rail

 

Gons were used for shipping manure, not aware of hoppers being used in this service. It was also bagged, which could be shipped on a flatcar or in a boxcar. In the Midwest most often it was coming from large stockyards and packing plants. Usually shipped to rural areas where it was sold to farmers for applying to their fields for fertilizer, esp in the days before commercial fertilizer. It was also bagged and shipped for gardens. Attached are a few photos and documents related to shipping manure by rail. Team tracks or a remote siding could be used for unloading. Workers with shovels and pitchforks were the norm. Clamshell buckets on a crane were used at large operations. Loading of gons was similar to coal, wagons and carts dumping from an elevated ramp. Or the clamshell bucket and crane.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert G P
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2021 7:11 AM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Manure shipped by rail

 

Hello group, 

 

I model the midwest and wanted some extra uses for my gons and hoppers so It was my conjecture that "bulk" manure loads might be an accurate bill for them? 

 

Lets say the manure is traveling to a feed/seed shop (like heater coal would to a dealer) to be sold in smaller portions to folks with gardens or to larger farming operations. I suppose in the latter case a farmer may have his own hopper(s) full and spotted on a team track for unloading. 

 

To all those with the knowledge - is any of this realistic? Have you heard of anything like this? Sounds like a good way to add in some extra operations and maybe even have fun making sure the cars aren't too close to the caboose!

 

-Bob


Re: Manure shipped by rail

Eric Hansmann
 

Before motorized vehicles dominated the streets, cities had to clean up the waste left by horses and teams. An August 1912 photo if the Pennsy's Try Street team yard in Pittsburgh, PA, captures a transfer facility. I had long thought it was used to load gondolas from wagons to transfer the animal waste. Here's the photo. Click on the image to use the enhanced functions to zoom in for a look.

This photo is actually part of the documentation for a very large public works project that removed many cubic feet of earth that had been a hump on several city streets. Hence the image title of Hump District. Dirt was loaded into wagons by steam shovel then transported a few blocks to this transfer platform to load into gondolas below.

But we can easily see a loaded WNY&P GS gondola beside the transfer platform. It seems to be topped off with what looks like manure. Another partially loaded gondola is ahead with a wagon adjacent that my have just been emptied by shovel. Cities of that time had many stables that needed to be cleaned out daily. Moving the bulk material out to surrounding farms was easier using rail.



Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On 09/14/2021 7:53 AM ron christensen via groups.io <rxensen@...> wrote:


I have never heard of a farmer selling or giving away manure, but that might have happened. That was a very useful fertilizer for the farmer.
Usually the manure is a product of large stock yards or race tracks
 In the case of Chicago race tracks a lot of manure was shipped on the old PM to mushroom plants in Michigan.
The manure was shipped in gondolas and weighed in New buffalo Mi. If the car was too heavy some had to be unloaded.
All that went away in the 70s as trucks started hauling the manure
Ron Christensen



Re: Manure shipped by rail

Ray Breyer
 

Before 1925 or so horses were the dominant form of "horsepower" in urban areas. Stables were everywhere to house wagon teams. And everyone who was upper middle class or rich had one or more. A horse can easily produce 100 pounds of "soiled bedding" in a day, which means a LOT of manure to remove from an average-sized city. So besides stockyards (most of which were inside major cities) there was a lot of manure to move around.

Larger cities, or smaller ones with a disproportionately large number of private buggy horses, usually had manure loading ramps to help the process. While manpower was dead cheap before the 1950s, time was still a finite commodity. If you had a lot of poop to move out of town, you had to have a ram to speed up the process.

I've attached a few photos.


Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL


On Tuesday, September 14, 2021, 08:53:36 AM CDT, ron christensen via groups.io <rxensen@...> wrote:


I have never heard of a farmer selling or giving away manure, but that might have happened. That was a very useful fertilizer for the farmer.
Usually the manure is a product of large stock yards or race tracks
 In the case of Chicago race tracks a lot of manure was shipped on the old PM to mushroom plants in Michigan.
The manure was shipped in gondolas and weighed in New buffalo Mi. If the car was too heavy some had to be unloaded.
All that went away in the 70s as trucks started hauling the manure
Ron Christensen


Re: Color recommendation for post 1945-1950 painted GN SS single door boxcar

Staffan Ehnbom
 

Charlie,
The Westerfield GN 50' single wood sheath box car is Pratt truss construction correct for the 42000-42899 series, 42900-42999 with full end doors, and 43000-43049. The 43050-43499 had 3/3/3 dreadnought ends. The 29000-29999 and the 38900-38999 were Howe truss side construction. "5100" seems to be an incorrect number.
Staffan Ehnbom


Re: Manure shipped by rail

ron christensen
 

I have never heard of a farmer selling or giving away manure, but that might have happened. That was a very useful fertilizer for the farmer.
Usually the manure is a product of large stock yards or race tracks
 In the case of Chicago race tracks a lot of manure was shipped on the old PM to mushroom plants in Michigan.
The manure was shipped in gondolas and weighed in New buffalo Mi. If the car was too heavy some had to be unloaded.
All that went away in the 70s as trucks started hauling the manure
Ron Christensen


Kit updates

Eric Hansmann
 

The Resin Car Works minions have been busy. Updates on three kits have posted to the blog.

Eric Hansmann
RCW web guy

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