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Re: Manure shipped by rail

Larry Goolsby
 

A really interesting discussion and some excellent photos. All this appears to cover manure shipments only in the northeast and midwest - seems to me the shipments should have been happening in the south as well with its extensive agricultural base, but I don't recall coming across any evidence of that. Does anybody know otherwise? Other types of fertilizer certainly moved often by rail in the south, and phosphate for example still does.   

Larry Goolsby 
Armchair-modeling the AB&C/ACL Western Division


Re: Sanding CN stock cars before loading

Steve SANDIFER
 

Note the sign: “This car not to be loaded for U.S.A. Points”

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

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CN stock yards, St. Walburg Saskatchewan,  September 2, 1944.
  

https://everettbakerslides.smugmug.com/Photography/1940s/i-Sj4Kxh4/A

 
John Riddell


Re: Sunshine NRC/MDT composit reefers Kits 20.1 and 20.2

nyc3001 .
 

Accurate MDT and NRC models are a major gap in my fleet as well as those of most HO steam and transition era modelers. So I took a look at Terry Link's NYC freight car roster (http://canadasouthern.com/caso/NYC-MODELS-FREIGHT2.htm) and Sunshine's MDT 6000-series (https://web.archive.org/web/20190126212913/http://sunshinekits.com/sunimages/sun20b.pdf) and 8000-series PDSs to better understand the composite reefers.

From what I can determine, there are composite reefers with Dreadnaught square-corner ends (MDT 5000-5949, possibly MDT 5950-5999, MDT 6000-7999, NRC 2200-series). These are much more numerous than the round-corner 8000-series (although they seem otherwise similar) and should therefore be commensurately represented in one's own model fleet. I would definitely go for at least five square corner reefers. 

On the topic of MDT reefers as a whole, I think that we may not be so far from recreating some major prototypes in HO. Composite reefers for NRC and MDT are addressed above, but a 6000 series reefer can likely be kitbashed into a DICX dry ice car.

If, as Fenton said, the "wood end" cars will also be done by Frank, my understanding is that this could be referring to the M4 reefers. If this is true, this will fill a major hole in most modelers' MDT and NRC fleets. M4 reefers were a mainstay of the MDT and NRC fleets at over 12,000 cars. There are apparently repaint opportunities for Bangor and Aroostook (widely traveled and colorful fleet--Tony Thompson writes of this in his modelingthesp blog) and Lackawanna Reefer Line and a seemingly-simple kitbash opportunity (removal of ice hatches) for the DSDX insulated boxcars ("beer reefers").

Finally, it looks like the Intermountain R-40-23 body can be used to represent 8,730 reefers according to the May 1999 RMJ article on MDT reefers starting on pg. 48 (http://magazine.trainlife.com/rmj_1999_5/) with the substitution of various combinations of three roofs and four ends that Stan Rydarowicz used to sell. 

If these three groups are covered, I think (tentatively) that many of the major gaps in our MDT fleets will be filled, and we'll also get to make some BAR, LRX, DSDX, and DICX prototypes if we want. 

Feel free to add to or correct anything here, but this is what I can determine so far without Roger's MDT book (hopefully the interlibrary loan for that book goes through).

-Phil


Re: Sanding CN stock cars before loading

Kemal Mumcu
 

Amazing set of photos there. Great reference for the forties. 


Sanding CN stock cars before loading

John Riddell
 

 

CN stock yards, St. Walburg Saskatchewan,  September 2, 1944.
  

https://everettbakerslides.smugmug.com/Photography/1940s/i-Sj4Kxh4/A

 
John Riddell


Re: Rapido announces HO Scale UTLX 10,000 gallon X-3 tankcar

Dave Parker
 

A couple of things:

The artist's renderings presently on the Rapido website are generally not correct for the 54"-dome cars built 1919-21.  The 1923 build date (and the car number) match up to the 60" dome cars.  I would trust Rapido to get this straightened out well before production.

The "NEW" light-weight stencil could persist for many years, as tank cars were not reweighed except in the case of substantial modification (new trucks might be an example).

Other than the (MOL annual) repack stencil, the thing that "dates" a tank car is the pressure-test dates for tank and safety valves.  These intervals changed in 1930 (and perhaps later, it's beyond my period of interest), and differed somewhat across MCB/ARA/AAR car classes.  These stencils were quite small (1" lettering), so I think many modelers can live with date discrepancies in them (but not all of us!).

--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: Eagle Merchandise cars

Tim O'Connor
 

Thanks all. So it was written, so shall it be. 😁

Tim O'Connor

On 9/16/2021 1:36 PM, Jim Ogden wrote:
Eagle Yellow with an Eagle Gray band in the middle.

Jim Ogden
Argyle, TX
--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


Re: Rapido announces HO Scale UTLX 10,000 gallon X-3 tankcar

Dan Miller
 

Do we have any idea what dates will be painted on the "1920s" and "1930s" schemes on the Rapido cars?  Both schemes appear to have a NEW date of 9-23 under the capacity, but are there other dates painted on the car that limit its period of accuracy?   How long into the 1930s would the "1920s" scheme have lasted?  I am not sure if Bill or another Rapido rep is on this list; it would be a great help if Rapido included build. rebuild, repack, etc. dates for each scheme on their website (for this and all of their other freight car releases).

Dan Miller


Re: Eagle Merchandise cars

Charlie Duckworth
 

Tim
Per the MP painting diagram for the Eagle Merchandise cars the roof panels were unpainted but the ribs were painted Eagle gray.  Unfortunately the roof walk came undone as I unwrapped the model.   Initially these cars were only for local service on the MP and T&P but in the later 1950’s they were allowed offline in certain O-D pairs (LCL freight house to LCL freight house)  
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Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] Rapido announces HO Scale UTLX 10, 000 gallon X-3 tankcar

Ryan Mendell
 

The NSC UTLX decal set can easily be updated to reflect the Rapido cars and a couple extra X3 numbers to boot. I will reach out to Steve Hile and see what he recommends.

Ryan


Re: Eagle Merchandise cars

Charlie Duckworth
 

Believe that’s mine. 
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Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Eagle Merchandise cars

Jim Ogden
 

Eagle Yellow with an Eagle Gray band in the middle.

Jim Ogden
Argyle, TX


Re: Sunshine NRC/MDT composit reefers Kits 20.1 and 20.2

O Fenton Wells
 

Great photo Thanks Tim
Fenton

On Thu, Sep 16, 2021 at 12:32 PM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

Some of these cars had an interesting 'afterlife'. :-)

Tim O'Connor


On 9/16/2021 12:15 PM, O Fenton Wells wrote:
You are so welcome.  I don't think people realize how much Sunshine is missed.  I think he will even do the ones with the wood ends.
Fenton  

On Thu, Sep 16, 2021 at 12:14 PM Chris Barkan <cplbarkan@...> wrote:
Thank you for initiating this discussion Fenton.  Yes, I would certainly be interested in these cars and will let Frank (and Eric) know.
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Chris Barkan
Champaign, IL


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Fenton Wells


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts



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Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


Re: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] Rapido announces HO Scale UTLX 10, 000 gallon X-3 tankcar

Bruce Smith
 

Steve,

I think many of us just breathed a sigh of relief that it is finally being produced and went straight to the pre-order poage!

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


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Bruce--On the groups.io website for this list do a search for "X-3" . You will find enough there to last you the weekend.

I am a little surprised that there hasn't been more wildly expressed enthusiasm here. This car has been in demand for a long time, and it is finally in sight.
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Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL


Re: Rapido announces HO Scale UTLX 10,000 gallon X-3 tankcar

Tim O'Connor
 

The old Speedwitch set had many different new dates from 1917 to the 1940s.

The CDS set (for an 8,000 gallon car) has only a 1937 new date.

The Sunshine custom decals also had many dates from 1918 to the late 1950s.

Didn't Steve Hile or maybe Black Cat do custom UTLX decals?

Tim O'Connor

On 9/16/2021 12:21 PM, Dave Parker via groups.io wrote:
With all due respect, the National Scale Car (formerly Speedwitch) UTLX decal set isn't terribly useful for the Rapido X-3 cars. Only one of 10 car numbers (32586) matches, but it has a build a date of 6-35 (rather than 6- or 7-20), and a tare weight that is too high based on prototype photos.  Of course one can always do a lot of snipping and splicing, but....

IMO, you're more likely to get closer to the target by choosing one of the Rapido schemes, unless you have access to a custom run of decals.  YMMV of course.
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Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA
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*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


Re: Sunshine NRC/MDT composit reefers Kits 20.1 and 20.2

Tim O'Connor
 


Some of these cars had an interesting 'afterlife'. :-)

Tim O'Connor


On 9/16/2021 12:15 PM, O Fenton Wells wrote:
You are so welcome.  I don't think people realize how much Sunshine is missed.  I think he will even do the ones with the wood ends.
Fenton  

On Thu, Sep 16, 2021 at 12:14 PM Chris Barkan <cplbarkan@...> wrote:
Thank you for initiating this discussion Fenton.  Yes, I would certainly be interested in these cars and will let Frank (and Eric) know.
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Chris Barkan
Champaign, IL


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Fenton Wells


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Rapido announces HO Scale UTLX 10,000 gallon X-3 tankcar

Dave Parker
 

With all due respect, the National Scale Car (formerly Speedwitch) UTLX decal set isn't terribly useful for the Rapido X-3 cars.  Only one of 10 car numbers (32586) matches, but it has a build a date of 6-35 (rather than 6- or 7-20), and a tare weight that is too high based on prototype photos.  Of course one can always do a lot of snipping and splicing, but....

IMO, you're more likely to get closer to the target by choosing one of the Rapido schemes, unless you have access to a custom run of decals.  YMMV of course.
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: Rapido announces HO Scale UTLX 10,000 gallon X-3 tankcar

Chris Barkan
 

On Thu, Sep 16, 2021 at 08:45 AM, pennsylvania1954 wrote:
Bruce--On the groups.io website for this list do a search for "X-3" . You will find enough there to last you the weekend.

I am a little surprised that there hasn't been more wildly expressed enthusiasm here. This car has been in demand for a long time, and it is finally in sight.
--
Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL
I am wildly enthusiastic! :-)
--
Chris Barkan
Champaign, IL


Re: Sunshine NRC/MDT composit reefers Kits 20.1 and 20.2

O Fenton Wells
 

You are so welcome.  I don't think people realize how much Sunshine is missed.  I think he will even do the ones with the wood ends.
Fenton  

On Thu, Sep 16, 2021 at 12:14 PM Chris Barkan <cplbarkan@...> wrote:
Thank you for initiating this discussion Fenton.  Yes, I would certainly be interested in these cars and will let Frank (and Eric) know.
--
Chris Barkan
Champaign, IL



--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


Re: Sunshine NRC/MDT composit reefers Kits 20.1 and 20.2

Chris Barkan
 

Thank you for initiating this discussion Fenton.  Yes, I would certainly be interested in these cars and will let Frank (and Eric) know.
--
Chris Barkan
Champaign, IL

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