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Re: Shipment Card

Wallace Steinbrecher
 

Appears that it is an exemption to brake equipment standards.  Part of ICC order 13528 that looks applicable here is:

 Export, industrial, and other cars not owned by a railroad which are not to be used in service, except for movement as shipments on their own wheels to given destinations. Such cars shall be properly identified by a card attached to each side of the car, signed by the shipper, stating that such movement is being made under the authority of this paragraph.

Regards,
Wallace Steinbrecher 



On Saturday, September 18, 2021, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Shipment Card

Document from the Nevada Northern Railway Archives:

https://nnry.lunaimaging.com/luna/servlet/workspace/handleMediaPlayer?lunaMediaId=NNRY~2~2~79~922

Size is 5 1/2" x 4 1/2".

Can anyone shed more light on how this card was used?

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Shipment Card

Bob Chaparro
 

Shipment Card

Document from the Nevada Northern Railway Archives:

https://nnry.lunaimaging.com/luna/servlet/workspace/handleMediaPlayer?lunaMediaId=NNRY~2~2~79~922

Size is 5 1/2" x 4 1/2".

Can anyone shed more light on how this card was used?

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: PRR Gondola 870647 (Circa 1917)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: PRR Gondola 870647 (Circa 1917)

Photo from the Nevada Northern Railway Archives:

https://tinyurl.com/tmb96acn

Car built 3-1917.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Offered: HO water slide decals for Western Pacific 40' stock cars

Andy Carlson
 

Hello-

I have just finished, new HO scale decals produced specifically for the Western Pacific's 40' stock cars which were rebuilt in two batches from 1916 built single sheathed WP box cars.

1927-1928 rebuilds in the 75xxx series; the 1936-1937 rebuilds in the 76xxx series. Has 4 reweigh locations: Sacramento, Portola, Oroville, and Stockton. Both lettering schemes were identical. Specify which time-built decals wanted (1928 or 1936). These were developed with accuracy as a primary goal. Each decal will letter a single stock car.

Offered for $8 each, plus $1shipping to the US. I accept checks and money orders. With a small fee, PayPal is welcomed. If interested, contact me off-list (Please) at <midcentury@...>

Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


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RPM Updates

Eric Hansmann
 

The latest DesignBuildOp blog post reviews upcoming face-to-face and virtual RPM events.

Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN


Re: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] Manure shipped by rail

Bruce Smith
 

Phillip,

On the PRR, the loads of manure were not covered. Fresh manure is pretty "wet" anyway and at that time was mixed with wet straw. I doubt that rain would have much impact on either the load weight or "nutrient" value. 

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, Al


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Philip Dove <philipdove22@...>
Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2021 12:23 AM
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Subject: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] Manure shipped by rail
 
CAUTION: Email Originated Outside of Auburn.
I wonder whether the loads would have been covered with a tarpaulin, while in transit. If it had rained on the load the weight could have risen considerably, and some of the loads, nutrient value would have washed away. The tarp would also have stopped the load spilling out. All the photos shown seem to show cars in the process of being loaded or emptied. 


Re: Manure shipped by rail

Philip Dove
 

I wonder whether the loads would have been covered with a tarpaulin, while in transit. If it had rained on the load the weight could have risen considerably, and some of the loads, nutrient value would have washed away. The tarp would also have stopped the load spilling out. All the photos shown seem to show cars in the process of being loaded or emptied. 


Re: Manure shipped by rail

Richard McQuade
 

Got this from the Early Rails grp years ago. Wonder how much was loaded vs how much got to the destination given the size of the load and the height of the gondola's boards. Photo from the nineteen teens given the election slogans on the car. Looking forward to seeing an ambitious modeller duplicate the steam effect, Just don't do the smell too.
Richard


WTB Sunshine 39.4

mopacfirst
 

If anyone has a spare Sunshine 39.4, SLSF 161500 single-sheathed steel-sided car kit, I'd be interested.

Please respond to:  mopacfirst at gmail dot com (that's not the address that groups.io thinks I use)

Ron Merrick


Re: Manure shipped by rail

Robert G P
 

If anyone does know of any Southern or even Western haulage we'd be happy to hear it! Speaking of western I wouldn't be surprised if California's substantial growing region had shipments in from the midwest during this era. And thanks again to all who made this a great topic.

And yes Dennis' comments do sound fitting for certain areas of the Southern region.

On Fri, Sep 17, 2021 at 5:34 PM Dennis Storzek <dennis@...> wrote:
On Fri, Sep 17, 2021 at 06:55 AM, Larry Goolsby wrote:
A really interesting discussion and some excellent photos. All this appears to cover manure shipments only in the northeast and midwest - seems to me the shipments should have been happening in the south as well with its extensive agricultural base, but I don't recall coming across any evidence of that. Does anybody know otherwise? Other types of fertilizer certainly moved often by rail in the south, and phosphate for example still does.   
Larry,

The fact that the South was largely agrarian during the period that these shipments were made by rail misses the point, which is the originators were packing house stockyards and racetracks deep within tightly packed cities. How many southern cities had similar stockyards during this period? It seems that wagon/truck haulage to outlying farms was much more likely.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Manure shipped by rail

Dennis Storzek
 

On Fri, Sep 17, 2021 at 06:55 AM, Larry Goolsby wrote:
A really interesting discussion and some excellent photos. All this appears to cover manure shipments only in the northeast and midwest - seems to me the shipments should have been happening in the south as well with its extensive agricultural base, but I don't recall coming across any evidence of that. Does anybody know otherwise? Other types of fertilizer certainly moved often by rail in the south, and phosphate for example still does.   
Larry,

The fact that the South was largely agrarian during the period that these shipments were made by rail misses the point, which is the originators were packing house stockyards and racetracks deep within tightly packed cities. How many southern cities had similar stockyards during this period? It seems that wagon/truck haulage to outlying farms was much more likely.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Rapido announces HO Scale UTLX 10,000 gallon X-3 tankcar

Bill Schneider
 
Edited

Bill who?.....

 

The artworks on the web site are very early mock ups. Fine details will be sorted ahead of production and will incorporate comments from this list and others. I will try to pin down dates ahead of that though, understanding that these things are important to many of us!

Bill Schneider
Rapido Trains


Re: Manure shipped by rail

Larry Goolsby
 

A really interesting discussion and some excellent photos. All this appears to cover manure shipments only in the northeast and midwest - seems to me the shipments should have been happening in the south as well with its extensive agricultural base, but I don't recall coming across any evidence of that. Does anybody know otherwise? Other types of fertilizer certainly moved often by rail in the south, and phosphate for example still does.   

Larry Goolsby 
Armchair-modeling the AB&C/ACL Western Division


Re: Sanding CN stock cars before loading

Steve SANDIFER
 

Note the sign: “This car not to be loaded for U.S.A. Points”

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

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Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2021 4:47 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Sanding CN stock cars before loading

 

 

CN stock yards, St. Walburg Saskatchewan,  September 2, 1944.
  

https://everettbakerslides.smugmug.com/Photography/1940s/i-Sj4Kxh4/A

 
John Riddell


Re: Sunshine NRC/MDT composit reefers Kits 20.1 and 20.2

nyc3001 .
 

Accurate MDT and NRC models are a major gap in my fleet as well as those of most HO steam and transition era modelers. So I took a look at Terry Link's NYC freight car roster (http://canadasouthern.com/caso/NYC-MODELS-FREIGHT2.htm) and Sunshine's MDT 6000-series (https://web.archive.org/web/20190126212913/http://sunshinekits.com/sunimages/sun20b.pdf) and 8000-series PDSs to better understand the composite reefers.

From what I can determine, there are composite reefers with Dreadnaught square-corner ends (MDT 5000-5949, possibly MDT 5950-5999, MDT 6000-7999, NRC 2200-series). These are much more numerous than the round-corner 8000-series (although they seem otherwise similar) and should therefore be commensurately represented in one's own model fleet. I would definitely go for at least five square corner reefers. 

On the topic of MDT reefers as a whole, I think that we may not be so far from recreating some major prototypes in HO. Composite reefers for NRC and MDT are addressed above, but a 6000 series reefer can likely be kitbashed into a DICX dry ice car.

If, as Fenton said, the "wood end" cars will also be done by Frank, my understanding is that this could be referring to the M4 reefers. If this is true, this will fill a major hole in most modelers' MDT and NRC fleets. M4 reefers were a mainstay of the MDT and NRC fleets at over 12,000 cars. There are apparently repaint opportunities for Bangor and Aroostook (widely traveled and colorful fleet--Tony Thompson writes of this in his modelingthesp blog) and Lackawanna Reefer Line and a seemingly-simple kitbash opportunity (removal of ice hatches) for the DSDX insulated boxcars ("beer reefers").

Finally, it looks like the Intermountain R-40-23 body can be used to represent 8,730 reefers according to the May 1999 RMJ article on MDT reefers starting on pg. 48 (http://magazine.trainlife.com/rmj_1999_5/) with the substitution of various combinations of three roofs and four ends that Stan Rydarowicz used to sell. 

If these three groups are covered, I think (tentatively) that many of the major gaps in our MDT fleets will be filled, and we'll also get to make some BAR, LRX, DSDX, and DICX prototypes if we want. 

Feel free to add to or correct anything here, but this is what I can determine so far without Roger's MDT book (hopefully the interlibrary loan for that book goes through).

-Phil


Re: Sanding CN stock cars before loading

Kemal Mumcu
 

Amazing set of photos there. Great reference for the forties. 


Sanding CN stock cars before loading

John Riddell
 

 

CN stock yards, St. Walburg Saskatchewan,  September 2, 1944.
  

https://everettbakerslides.smugmug.com/Photography/1940s/i-Sj4Kxh4/A

 
John Riddell


Re: Rapido announces HO Scale UTLX 10,000 gallon X-3 tankcar

Dave Parker
 

A couple of things:

The artist's renderings presently on the Rapido website are generally not correct for the 54"-dome cars built 1919-21.  The 1923 build date (and the car number) match up to the 60" dome cars.  I would trust Rapido to get this straightened out well before production.

The "NEW" light-weight stencil could persist for many years, as tank cars were not reweighed except in the case of substantial modification (new trucks might be an example).

Other than the (MOL annual) repack stencil, the thing that "dates" a tank car is the pressure-test dates for tank and safety valves.  These intervals changed in 1930 (and perhaps later, it's beyond my period of interest), and differed somewhat across MCB/ARA/AAR car classes.  These stencils were quite small (1" lettering), so I think many modelers can live with date discrepancies in them (but not all of us!).

--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: Eagle Merchandise cars

Tim O'Connor
 

Thanks all. So it was written, so shall it be. 😁

Tim O'Connor

On 9/16/2021 1:36 PM, Jim Ogden wrote:
Eagle Yellow with an Eagle Gray band in the middle.

Jim Ogden
Argyle, TX
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*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


Re: Rapido announces HO Scale UTLX 10,000 gallon X-3 tankcar

Dan Miller
 

Do we have any idea what dates will be painted on the "1920s" and "1930s" schemes on the Rapido cars?  Both schemes appear to have a NEW date of 9-23 under the capacity, but are there other dates painted on the car that limit its period of accuracy?   How long into the 1930s would the "1920s" scheme have lasted?  I am not sure if Bill or another Rapido rep is on this list; it would be a great help if Rapido included build. rebuild, repack, etc. dates for each scheme on their website (for this and all of their other freight car releases).

Dan Miller

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