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Re: ACY 175-194 flatcars / USRA 42ft flat cars

Todd Sullivan
 

Bob,

The Red Caboose 42ft flat cars with their 'fishbelly sides' are either the USRA cars or pretty close.  The only two RRs I know who had them are the NYC and the MILW.   The NYC cars are fairly common on eBay in either red or black paint, but the MILW cars have not been produced in years.  Too bad, as they would show up all over the country with lumber loads.  There seemed to be about 200 or so in the early 1950s.   Perhaps some MILW fans can chime in and add more information.

Todd Sullivan


FTWD Covered Hopper

Jerry Michels
 

Just wanted to let you guys know that the Amarillo Railroad Museum just received a limited run of InterMountain FTW&D 2-bay HC1 hoppers. Check out our website (www.amarillorailmuseum.com) or search eBay. Six numbers, roof redone to correct raised-rib type.

Thanks,
Jerry Michels


Re: Decaling Kadee cars.

Todd Sullivan
 

Sam,

Great piece of information.  Thank you!

Tod Sullivan



On Monday, September 20, 2021, 10:32:18 AM CDT, SamClarke via groups.io <samc@...> wrote:


Hello Brian and group,

 

Kadee cars have stryene bodies and Delrin parts, the bodies have a thin layer of water base paint and the parts are unpainted.

 

 

 

 

Sam Clarke

R&D / Tech Advisor / Artist

Kadee Quality Products Co.

mail@...

541-826-3883

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Choosing an empty car for loading

Todd Sullivan
 

Another wrinkle in this whole freight car handling thing is that
a) A RR's customers could demand certain car types and even cars from foreign RRs for loading, based on availability from lists of empty car tracks or special needs (e.g., 65ft mill gon plus idler cars for a long fabricated timber beam load).
b) Some cars were in assigned service between an industry and customers in a geographic area, e.g., covered hoppers in bulk feed service between Albers Milling in Portland to points on the GN (using GN cars), the NP (using NP cars) and UP (using UP cars).  Such cars were not always stenciled on their sides for the assigned service, although the paperwork for both loaded and empty movements would specify the assigned service, or at least "when empty, return to NPTCo Agent, Portland Oregon."

Each of these examples is from my clerking experience in Portland 1961-62.

Todd Sullivan


Re: Choosing an empty car for loading

Todd Sullivan
 

And Bob, I was the guy who did that presentation.

Just to add what Ken said,
- Home road cars could be used for any load.
- Since foreign cars cost the RR money in the form of per diem (daily) charges, clerks and yardmasters were incented to get them off the property, either by sending them loaded toward the owning RR's geographical area or by sending them home empty, usually via reverse route.
- When car shortages occurred, the car service rules were often ignored, e.g., I have seen published photos of PRR coal trains deep in anthracite territory that had more foreign road hoppers than PRR hoppers, so the PRR clerks and YMs were 'stealing' foreign road hoppers to fill mine operators' orders for empty hoppers..

Todd Sullivan.


Re: [EXT] [RealSTMFC] Interesting three dome tank car St Louis 23rd St yard

Bruce Smith
 

Charlie,

 

While multiple dome tank cars are reasonably rare, there’s a clear explanation for this one. It was originally build as a single dome car, and then modified by compartmentalizing it into 3 separate compartments and adding the two end domes. I don’t know the ratio of purpose built multicompartment cars to these after-the-fact multicompartment cars, but among multicompartment cars, they aren’t all that unusual.

 

Regards,

Bruce Smith

Auburn, Al

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Charlie Duckworth <omahaduck@...>
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Subject: [EXT] [RealSTMFC] Interesting three dome tank car St Louis 23rd St yard

 

CAUTION: Email Originated Outside of Auburn.

I’m finishing up a book for the Missouri Pacific Historical Society based on photos from the Joe Collias collection the society bought in September 2018.  This morning I was looking through some 35mm shots that Wayne Leeman took while riding a freight between Jefferson City and St Louis in 1940.  I enlarged a shot he took of the St Louis yards and this odd three dome tank car appeared with two small domes and a large one in the middle section. 
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Decaling Kadee cars.

John Sykes III
 

I stand corrected.  In this case you can decal right onto them.

-- John


Interesting three dome tank car St Louis 23rd St yard

Charlie Duckworth
 

I’m finishing up a book for the Missouri Pacific Historical Society based on photos from the Joe Collias collection the society bought in September 2018.  This morning I was looking through some 35mm shots that Wayne Leeman took while riding a freight between Jefferson City and St Louis in 1940.  I enlarged a shot he took of the St Louis yards and this odd three dome tank car appeared with two small domes and a large one in the middle section. 
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Choosing an empty car for loading

Paul Koehler
 

Tony:

Very well said. You took care of the shipper who wanted a car for loading first. Everything else came second.

Paul C. Koehler

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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Choosing an empty car for loading

Robert G P wrote:

At an origin point such as a busy yard where lots of empties are located, who decides which car is used for what? Of course we all know that rules allow an empty Santa Fe boxcar in Cincinnati Oh to be loaded with cargo billed west as that is the direction of the car's home road but who decides on this? Could someone be written up or such for sending an empty Maine Central boxcar west when it should've been routed back north? Or using a large 50ft double door boxcar for a load where an old 40 ton would've been more than enough?
The individual responsible for this was the Car Distributor, who sent empties for loading. He was well aware of the Car Service Rules, but even more aware of “Rule Zero,” the “Boss Rule,” that your first responsibility is to serve the shipper — that is, send him a car without delay. In times of plentiful car supply (soft economy), he’d follow Car Service, but in times of tight car supply, he would grab anything in the yard that would work.

Tony Thompson
tony@signaturepress.com


Re: Choosing an empty car for loading

Tony Thompson
 

Robert G P wrote:

At an origin point such as a busy yard where lots of empties are located, who decides which car is used for what? Of course we all know that rules allow an empty Santa Fe boxcar in Cincinnati Oh to be loaded with cargo billed west as that is the direction of the car's home road but who decides on this? Could someone be written up or such for sending an empty Maine Central boxcar west when it should've been routed back north? Or using a large 50ft double door boxcar for a load where an old 40 ton would've been more than enough?
The individual responsible for this was the Car Distributor, who sent empties for loading. He was well aware of the Car Service Rules, but even more aware of “Rule Zero,” the “Boss Rule,” that your first responsibility is to serve the shipper — that is, send him a car without delay. In times of plentiful car supply (soft economy), he’d follow Car Service, but in times of tight car supply, he would grab anything in the yard that would work.

Tony Thompson
tony@signaturepress.com


Re: Choosing an empty car for loading

Ken Adams
 

Bob, 

There were car distribution clerks (large numbers of them at major yards) whose job was to track and locate available empty cars to fill agents/shippers requests according to car service rules and add them to switch lists for the yard switchers.

There was a recent Hindsight 2020 presentation on the work of a car distribution clerk at the joint UP GN NP SP&S Portland Terminal Railroad yard. Very interesting if you want to go into the detail of how railroads really operated before computers. There was a huge army of railroad clerks which produced the paperwork that kept American transportation working. 

(Note I spent 3 years as member of The Brotherhood of Railway and Steamship Clerks, Freight Handlers, Express, and Station Employees union
 at the very end before the computers took over completely in the early 1970's. If you can't lick em, join em....  I spent the next 42 years in Information Technology.)
--
Ken Adams
Still in splendid Shelter In Place solitude, about half way up Walnut Creek
Owner PlasticFreightCarBuilders@groups.io


Re: Decaling Kadee cars.

SamClarke
 

Hello Brian and group,

 

Kadee cars have stryene bodies and Delrin parts, the bodies have a thin layer of water base paint and the parts are unpainted.

 

 

 

 

Sam Clarke

R&D / Tech Advisor / Artist

Kadee Quality Products Co.

mail@...

541-826-3883

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Choosing an empty car for loading

Todd Sullivan
 

Bob,

Car Service Rules governed most of this, and they are in every copy of the Official Railway Equipment Register.  There also have been several discussions about this on the STMFC groups.io forum and possibly others.  A search on 'empty cars' or 'foreign load cars' might help you find the posts.  Others should chime in to help, please!

Todd Sullivan


Re: ACY 175-194 flatcars

Bob Weston
 

Richard I did some digging around and given that these cars were 42'1"long and built in 1923 they might possibly be clones of the USRA flatcar. Red Caboose, now Intermountain, makes a model of this car. Freight car historian Richard Hendrickson did an extensive article on the prototype cars in the January 1997 issue of Railmodel Journal. Given that the AC&Y cars were leased and second hand it's unknown who the original owner could be. Bob Weston


Choosing an empty car for loading

Robert G P
 

Hello group,

I was doing some "fantasy manifest" where I makeup list of freight trains and imagine each car/load and this question occurred to me:

At an origin point such as a busy yard where lots of empties are located, who decides which car is used for what? Of course we all know that rules allow an empty Santa Fe boxcar in Cincinnati Oh to be loaded with cargo billed west as that is the direction of the car's home road but who decides on this? Could someone be written up or such for sending an empty Maine Central boxcar west when it should've been routed back north? Or using a large 50ft double door boxcar for a load where an old 40 ton would've been more than enough?  

I'd appreciate anyone's take on this. 

-Bob


Re: ACY 175-194 flatcars

Eric Hansmann
 

Richard Hendrickson’s prototype summary for the Tichy HO scale flat car models begins on page 5 of this June 1993 Rail Model Journal.
http://magazine.trainlife.com/rmj_1993_6/

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Philip Dove
Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2021 6:45 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ACY 175-194 flatcars

 

The Tichy /Gould kit was for a NC&StL ACF built car from 1923. JohnNehrich in NEB&W Guide to Steam-era freight car modeling, part B says the car "became in effect the ACF standard flat," He makes no mention of the ACY having any of these cars. The Champ decal set HC-646 for this car includes road names for 8 roads but not ACY. Richard Hendrickson wrote an article about the ACF built cars in the June 1993 Rail model Journal.


Re: Photo: PFE Reefer

Eric Hansmann
 

Bob,

 

After some Photoshoppery, it looks like PFE 19670 on the car end.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2021 12:49 PM
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Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: PFE Reefer

 

Photo: PFE Reefer

Photo from the Barriger Library:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/51124563445/

The PFE reefer is to the lower left.

Click on the photo twice for maximum enlargement.

Can anyone make out the car number?

Thanks.

Also pictured is B&O M18 boxcar 172513.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: North Western Refrigerator Line color

Bruce Smith
 

Ed, et. al.,

 

Thanks!  That pretty much “seal’s the deal”. I happen to have the hobby paint match for SFRD on my bench, a bottle of Poly Scale Maine Central harvest gold. The Branchline car sides just need grab irons added - I need to add a second set on the left and I’ll use brass instead of the kit’s plastic and they can head to the paint shop.

 

Regards,

Bruce

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL

 

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On Sep 19, 2021, at 2:24 PM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

 

Nice, but alas, none of these cars represent the scheme I am asking about. The car that I am modeling was built for NWX in 1940 and ultimately transferred to NADX circa 1950 and then leased to Hormel. While the Hormel scheme is great for everyone who modeled the SnT model as intended, circa mid-1950s, it won't work for me, and although both companies start with NORTH, I'm pretty sure NADX orange is not an indicator of the color of the NWX cars as built. And unfortunately, while most NWX cars were initially painted with grey sides, and post WWII a yellow and green scheme was adopted, neither of those scheme is relevant either. The AC&F built NWX 6800 series was a bit of an odd-ball, having solid yellow-orange sides. Now, one might reasonably speculate that the yellow might be the same as that on the yellow and green car, but I am looking for something more factual than speculation 😉

 

Regards,

Bruce

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL

 

Bruce, Tim, and others interested,

As you probably already know, ACF lot 2044 was a quantity of 100 - 40’ RSM wood reefers NWX 6800-6899 built at the Chicago plant ca. 7-40. 

 

The ACF bill of materials denote “Yellow" for the sides; Mineral Red - rectangle under the door, ends, roof; black - bottom of side sills, steel hardware on the sides, underframe, trucks, side stencils; white - end stencils. 

 

A paint sample of the “yellow” sides attached to the back-inside cover of this document, available for review at the Barriger National Railroad Library, is a yellow-orange shade. It's a virtual match to that used by InterMountain on the SFRD steel rebuild reefers originally offered by Long’s Drug Store.

 

The National Museum of Transportation has in their ACF drawing collection a number of applicable lot 2044 drawings to include a general arrangement, brake arrangement, and stencils. 

 

If interested in receiving a list of available drawings, contact me OFF LIST at hawk0621@.... An order would need to be placed with the library archivist Teresa Militello at the NMOT.

 

Regards,

Ed Hawkins

 

 

 

 

 


Re: ACY 175-194 flatcars

Bob Weston
 

Richard I don't have a photo of the AC&Y flats in question but I do have the following information from the defunct  ACY Historical Society. There were a total of 16 cars in the number series 175-194.They were all steel with a wood floor and were 42'1" in length. They were built in 1923, no builder info available and leased by the AC&Y in 1957 from NEL Corporation. They were on the roster until 1966.  Bob Weston


Re: Rapido announces HO Scale UTLX 10,000 gallon X-3 tankcar

Dan Miller
 

Thank you very much, Bill and Dave!

Dan Miller

5481 - 5500 of 192711