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Re: IC Slogan Date

Tim
 

The slogan was not applied until Dec 3 1947 and the 1” strip was no longer used in 1951. 

Tim Alund 


On Sep 20, 2021, at 9:31 PM, Jeffrey White <jrwhite@...> wrote:



Mainline of Mid-America started appearing on repaints and new cars in 1947. 

Jeff White

Alma IL

On 9/20/2021 9:26 PM, Nelson Moyer wrote:

When did IC start using the Mainstreet of Mid-America slogan on repaints of the 18000 series square corner boxcars?

 

Nelson Moyer


Re: IC Slogan Date

Jeffrey White
 

Mainline of Mid-America started appearing on repaints and new cars in 1947. 

Jeff White

Alma IL

On 9/20/2021 9:26 PM, Nelson Moyer wrote:

When did IC start using the Mainstreet of Mid-America slogan on repaints of the 18000 series square corner boxcars?

 

Nelson Moyer


IC Slogan Date

Nelson Moyer
 

When did IC start using the Mainstreet of Mid-America slogan on repaints of the 18000 series square corner boxcars?

 

Nelson Moyer


Re: ACY 175-194 flatcars / USRA 42ft flat cars

Brian Stokes
 

Tim, 

So no MILW cars as Todd suggested?

--
Brian Stokes
North Point Street in Proto:48


Re: PFE wood ice reefer underframes

O Fenton Wells
 

I believe that is correct but FGEX used both as well. Not as prolific as SP/UP but some 
As Bill Welch said FGEX were scavengers, used PRR R-7U/F as well. And others as cars were inherited from joining railroads 
Fenton 


On Sep 20, 2021, at 7:16 PM, WILLIAM PARDIE <PARDIEW001@...> wrote:






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-------- Original message --------
From: WILLIAM PARDIE <PARDIEW001@...>
Date: 8/2/20 9:18 PM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] PFE wood ice reefer underframes

Hopefully not to oversimplify but rather to establish a practical means of accurately modeling the PFE wood refer fleetcan we establish that :

1)  The Tichey underframe is correct for the WP. refers.

2)   Terry Wegmann's underframe is correct for all other PFE rood refers that did not have Bettendorf frsmes.

3)  Therefore is the Red Caboose  underframe corrrct for cars with the Bettendorf  undeframes.

Too simple?

Bill Pardie


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FW: Re: [RealSTMFC] PFE wood ice reefer underframes

WILLIAM PARDIE
 





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-------- Original message --------
From: WILLIAM PARDIE <PARDIEW001@...>
Date: 8/2/20 9:18 PM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] PFE wood ice reefer underframes

Hopefully not to oversimplify but rather to establish a practical means of accurately modeling the PFE wood refer fleetcan we establish that :

1)  The Tichey underframe is correct for the WP. refers.

2)   Terry Wegmann's underframe is correct for all other PFE rood refers that did not have Bettendorf frsmes.

3)  Therefore is the Red Caboose  underframe corrrct for cars with the Bettendorf  undeframes.

Too simple?

Bill Pardie


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Re: ACY 175-194 flatcars

Dean Payne
 

Tichy has TWO flat cars, IIRC.  You want the 4021 model, which is 40' long.  


Re: ACY 175-194 flatcars / USRA 42ft flat cars

akerboomk
 

There is an article by Richard Hendrickson on these cars in RailModel Journal Jan, 1997, pp53-59

The B&M had 300:
https://www.bmrrhs.org/flat_33500_series/

Although (other than that they had "evenly spaced" pockets) I'm not sure how the B&M cars differed from the USRA design / Red Caboose model
--
Ken Akerboom


Re: ACY 175-194 flatcars / USRA 42ft flat cars

Tim O'Connor
 

I don't know

On 9/20/2021 2:34 PM, Brian Carlson via groups.io wrote:
We’re the C&O cars PM before the merger?

Brian J. Carlson
On Sep 20, 2021, at 2:28 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@comcast.net> wrote:

Red Caboose 1920's fishbelly flat car

C&NW 1200 cars (40001-42499) odd numbers
NYC 300 cars
B&M 237 cars
FEC 200 cars
C&O 100 cars (80300-80399)
PM 100 cars
DT&I 25 cars
TC 25 cars (evenly spaced pockets)
GN ( very similar )
W&LE ( very similar ) --> went to the NKP

Tim O'Connor
--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


Re: ACY 175-194 flatcars / USRA 42ft flat cars

 

We’re the C&O cars PM before the merger?

Brian J. Carlson


No. The C&O had 100 of the 42' cars built to the same basic spec as the 100 PM cars. They were almost all, if not entirely, in MOW or other non-revenue service by the time of the merger. 

--
Andy Cummings
Houston, TX


Re: Interesting three dome tank car St Louis 23rd St yard

Charlie Duckworth
 

Thanks for all the replies. 
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: ACY 175-194 flatcars / USRA 42ft flat cars

Brian Carlson
 

We’re the C&O cars PM before the merger?

Brian J. Carlson

On Sep 20, 2021, at 2:28 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@comcast.net> wrote:

Red Caboose 1920's fishbelly flat car

C&NW 1200 cars (40001-42499) odd numbers
NYC 300 cars
B&M 237 cars
FEC 200 cars
C&O 100 cars (80300-80399)
PM 100 cars
DT&I 25 cars
TC 25 cars (evenly spaced pockets)
GN ( very similar )
W&LE ( very similar ) --> went to the NKP

Tim O'Connor


On 9/20/2021 1:41 PM, Todd Sullivan via groups.io wrote:
Bob,

The Red Caboose 42ft flat cars with their 'fishbelly sides' are either the USRA cars or pretty close. The only two RRs I know who had them are the NYC and the MILW. The NYC cars are fairly common on eBay in either red or black paint, but the MILW cars have not been produced in years. Too bad, as they would show up all over the country with lumber loads. There seemed to be about 200 or so in the early 1950s. Perhaps some MILW fans can chime in and add more information.

Todd Sullivan


--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*




--
Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY


Re: ACY 175-194 flatcars / USRA 42ft flat cars

Tony Thompson
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:

Red Caboose 1920's fishbelly flat car

C&NW 1200 cars (40001-42499) odd numbers
NYC 300 cars
I have Richard Hendfrickson’s notes about this Red Caboose model, and he mentions these two railroads, in agreement with Tim. I have myself lettered two of them for these roads.

Tony Thompson
tony@signaturepress.com


Re: ACY 175-194 flatcars / USRA 42ft flat cars

Tim O'Connor
 

Red Caboose 1920's fishbelly flat car

C&NW   1200 cars (40001-42499) odd numbers
NYC    300 cars
B&M    237 cars
FEC    200 cars
C&O    100 cars (80300-80399)
PM     100 cars
DT&I   25 cars
TC     25 cars (evenly spaced pockets)
GN     ( very similar )
W&LE   ( very similar ) --> went to the NKP

Tim O'Connor

On 9/20/2021 1:41 PM, Todd Sullivan via groups.io wrote:
Bob,

The Red Caboose 42ft flat cars with their 'fishbelly sides' are either the USRA cars or pretty close.  The only two RRs I know who had them are the NYC and the MILW.   The NYC cars are fairly common on eBay in either red or black paint, but the MILW cars have not been produced in years.  Too bad, as they would show up all over the country with lumber loads.  There seemed to be about 200 or so in the early 1950s.   Perhaps some MILW fans can chime in and add more information.

Todd Sullivan
--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


Re: Interesting three dome tank car St Louis 23rd St yard

Steve and Barb Hile
 

I was not unusual for GATX and UTLX to repurpose single compartment tank cars into two or three compartments by putting in extra heads to separate compartments.  You can see the rivet lines for two internal heads, one just beyond the first small dome and on just shy of the large center dome.  The other end would be similar.

 

If I read the car number as GATX 1331, we see these values in the 1955 GATX section of the tank car tariff (thanks to Ian Cranstone)

 

 

So, this was, probably, originally, a 10,000 gallon tank with a 432 gallon center dome.  After the remodeling, it had 3 approximately 2700 gallon compartments, two of which have 125 gallon domes.  This is probably a good match for the photo.

 

Extra credit:  At least the near compartment has internal heating coils, as evidenced by the two pipes coming through the head near the running board.

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Charlie Duckworth
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 11:47 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Interesting three dome tank car St Louis 23rd St yard

 

I’m finishing up a book for the Missouri Pacific Historical Society based on photos from the Joe Collias collection the society bought in September 2018.  This morning I was looking through some 35mm shots that Wayne Leeman took while riding a freight between Jefferson City and St Louis in 1940.  I enlarged a shot he took of the St Louis yards and this odd three dome tank car appeared with two small domes and a large one in the middle section. 
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Interesting three dome tank car St Louis 23rd St yard

Tony Thompson
 

These kinds of rebuilt tank cars to get more compartments were very common in the wine-car fleet, though this particular car does not look like one of them.

Tony Thompson
tony@signaturepress.com


Re: Interesting three dome tank car St Louis 23rd St yard

Tim O'Connor
 


a couple more examples


On 9/20/2021 12:47 PM, Charlie Duckworth wrote:
I’m finishing up a book for the Missouri Pacific Historical Society based on photos from the Joe Collias collection the society bought in September 2018.  This morning I was looking through some 35mm shots that Wayne Leeman took while riding a freight between Jefferson City and St Louis in 1940.  I enlarged a shot he took of the St Louis yards and this odd three dome tank car appeared with two small domes and a large one in the middle section. 
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.

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--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: ACY 175-194 flatcars / USRA 42ft flat cars

Todd Sullivan
 

Bob,

The Red Caboose 42ft flat cars with their 'fishbelly sides' are either the USRA cars or pretty close.  The only two RRs I know who had them are the NYC and the MILW.   The NYC cars are fairly common on eBay in either red or black paint, but the MILW cars have not been produced in years.  Too bad, as they would show up all over the country with lumber loads.  There seemed to be about 200 or so in the early 1950s.   Perhaps some MILW fans can chime in and add more information.

Todd Sullivan


FTWD Covered Hopper

Jerry Michels
 

Just wanted to let you guys know that the Amarillo Railroad Museum just received a limited run of InterMountain FTW&D 2-bay HC1 hoppers. Check out our website (www.amarillorailmuseum.com) or search eBay. Six numbers, roof redone to correct raised-rib type.

Thanks,
Jerry Michels


Re: Decaling Kadee cars.

Todd Sullivan
 

Sam,

Great piece of information.  Thank you!

Tod Sullivan



On Monday, September 20, 2021, 10:32:18 AM CDT, SamClarke via groups.io <samc@...> wrote:


Hello Brian and group,

 

Kadee cars have stryene bodies and Delrin parts, the bodies have a thin layer of water base paint and the parts are unpainted.

 

 

 

 

Sam Clarke

R&D / Tech Advisor / Artist

Kadee Quality Products Co.

mail@...

541-826-3883

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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