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Re: ACY 175-194 flatcars
Dean Payne
Tichy has TWO flat cars, IIRC. You want the 4021 model, which is 40' long.
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Re: ACY 175-194 flatcars / USRA 42ft flat cars
akerboomk
There is an article by Richard Hendrickson on these cars in RailModel Journal Jan, 1997, pp53-59
The B&M had 300: https://www.bmrrhs.org/flat_33500_series/ Although (other than that they had "evenly spaced" pockets) I'm not sure how the B&M cars differed from the USRA design / Red Caboose model -- Ken Akerboom
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Re: ACY 175-194 flatcars / USRA 42ft flat cars
I don't know
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On 9/20/2021 2:34 PM, Brian Carlson via groups.io wrote:
We’re the C&O cars PM before the merger? --
*Tim O'Connor* *Sterling, Massachusetts*
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Re: Interesting three dome tank car St Louis 23rd St yard
Thanks for all the replies.
-- Charlie Duckworth Omaha, Ne.
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Re: ACY 175-194 flatcars / USRA 42ft flat cars
We’re the C&O cars PM before the merger?
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Brian J. Carlson
On Sep 20, 2021, at 2:28 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@comcast.net> wrote: --
Brian J. Carlson, P.E. Cheektowaga NY
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Re: ACY 175-194 flatcars / USRA 42ft flat cars
Tony Thompson
Tim O'Connor wrote:I have Richard Hendfrickson’s notes about this Red Caboose model, and he mentions these two railroads, in agreement with Tim. I have myself lettered two of them for these roads. Tony Thompson tony@signaturepress.com
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Re: ACY 175-194 flatcars / USRA 42ft flat cars
Red Caboose 1920's fishbelly flat car
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C&NW 1200 cars (40001-42499) odd numbers NYC 300 cars B&M 237 cars FEC 200 cars C&O 100 cars (80300-80399) PM 100 cars DT&I 25 cars TC 25 cars (evenly spaced pockets) GN ( very similar ) W&LE ( very similar ) --> went to the NKP Tim O'Connor
On 9/20/2021 1:41 PM, Todd Sullivan via groups.io wrote:
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*Tim O'Connor* *Sterling, Massachusetts*
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Re: Interesting three dome tank car St Louis 23rd St yard
I was not unusual for GATX and UTLX to repurpose single compartment tank cars into two or three compartments by putting in extra heads to separate compartments. You can see the rivet lines for two internal heads, one just beyond the first small dome and on just shy of the large center dome. The other end would be similar.
If I read the car number as GATX 1331, we see these values in the 1955 GATX section of the tank car tariff (thanks to Ian Cranstone)
So, this was, probably, originally, a 10,000 gallon tank with a 432 gallon center dome. After the remodeling, it had 3 approximately 2700 gallon compartments, two of which have 125 gallon domes. This is probably a good match for the photo.
Extra credit: At least the near compartment has internal heating coils, as evidenced by the two pipes coming through the head near the running board.
Steve Hile
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Charlie Duckworth
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Re: Interesting three dome tank car St Louis 23rd St yard
Tony Thompson
These kinds of rebuilt tank cars to get more compartments were very common in the wine-car fleet, though this particular car does not look like one of them.
Tony Thompson tony@signaturepress.com
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Re: Interesting three dome tank car St Louis 23rd St yard
a couple more examples
On 9/20/2021 12:47 PM, Charlie
Duckworth wrote:
I’m finishing up a book for the Missouri Pacific Historical Society based on photos from the Joe Collias collection the society bought in September 2018. This morning I was looking through some 35mm shots that Wayne Leeman took while riding a freight between Jefferson City and St Louis in 1940. I enlarged a shot he took of the St Louis yards and this odd three dome tank car appeared with two small domes and a large one in the middle section. --
Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Re: ACY 175-194 flatcars / USRA 42ft flat cars
Todd Sullivan
Bob,
The Red Caboose 42ft flat cars with their 'fishbelly sides' are either the USRA cars or pretty close. The only two RRs I know who had them are the NYC and the MILW. The NYC cars are fairly common on eBay in either red or black paint, but the MILW cars have not been produced in years. Too bad, as they would show up all over the country with lumber loads. There seemed to be about 200 or so in the early 1950s. Perhaps some MILW fans can chime in and add more information. Todd Sullivan
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FTWD Covered Hopper
Jerry Michels
Just wanted to let you guys know that the Amarillo Railroad Museum just received a limited run of InterMountain FTW&D 2-bay HC1 hoppers. Check out our website (www.amarillorailmuseum.com) or search eBay. Six numbers, roof redone to correct raised-rib type.
Thanks, Jerry Michels
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Re: Decaling Kadee cars.
Todd Sullivan
Sam, Great piece of information. Thank you! Tod Sullivan
On Monday, September 20, 2021, 10:32:18 AM CDT, SamClarke via groups.io <samc@...> wrote:
Hello Brian and group,
Kadee cars have stryene bodies and Delrin parts, the bodies have a thin layer of water base paint and the parts are unpainted.
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Re: Choosing an empty car for loading
Todd Sullivan
Another wrinkle in this whole freight car handling thing is that
a) A RR's customers could demand certain car types and even cars from foreign RRs for loading, based on availability from lists of empty car tracks or special needs (e.g., 65ft mill gon plus idler cars for a long fabricated timber beam load). b) Some cars were in assigned service between an industry and customers in a geographic area, e.g., covered hoppers in bulk feed service between Albers Milling in Portland to points on the GN (using GN cars), the NP (using NP cars) and UP (using UP cars). Such cars were not always stenciled on their sides for the assigned service, although the paperwork for both loaded and empty movements would specify the assigned service, or at least "when empty, return to NPTCo Agent, Portland Oregon." Each of these examples is from my clerking experience in Portland 1961-62. Todd Sullivan
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Re: Choosing an empty car for loading
Todd Sullivan
And Bob, I was the guy who did that presentation.
Just to add what Ken said, - Home road cars could be used for any load. - Since foreign cars cost the RR money in the form of per diem (daily) charges, clerks and yardmasters were incented to get them off the property, either by sending them loaded toward the owning RR's geographical area or by sending them home empty, usually via reverse route. - When car shortages occurred, the car service rules were often ignored, e.g., I have seen published photos of PRR coal trains deep in anthracite territory that had more foreign road hoppers than PRR hoppers, so the PRR clerks and YMs were 'stealing' foreign road hoppers to fill mine operators' orders for empty hoppers.. Todd Sullivan.
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Re: [EXT] [RealSTMFC] Interesting three dome tank car St Louis 23rd St yard
Charlie,
While multiple dome tank cars are reasonably rare, there’s a clear explanation for this one. It was originally build as a single dome car, and then modified by compartmentalizing it into 3 separate compartments and adding the two end domes. I don’t know the ratio of purpose built multicompartment cars to these after-the-fact multicompartment cars, but among multicompartment cars, they aren’t all that unusual.
Regards, Bruce Smith Auburn, Al
From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Charlie Duckworth <omahaduck@...>
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Re: Decaling Kadee cars.
I stand corrected. In this case you can decal right onto them.
-- John
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Interesting three dome tank car St Louis 23rd St yard
 I’m finishing up a book for the Missouri Pacific Historical Society based on photos from the Joe Collias collection the society bought in September 2018. This morning I was looking through some 35mm shots that Wayne Leeman took while riding a freight between Jefferson City and St Louis in 1940. I enlarged a shot he took of the St Louis yards and this odd three dome tank car appeared with two small domes and a large one in the middle section. -- Charlie Duckworth Omaha, Ne.
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Re: Choosing an empty car for loading
Paul Koehler
Tony:
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Very well said. You took care of the shipper who wanted a car for loading first. Everything else came second. Paul C. Koehler
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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony Thompson Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 8:48 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Choosing an empty car for loading Robert G P wrote:The individual responsible for this was the Car Distributor, who sent empties for loading. He was well aware of the Car Service Rules, but even more aware of “Rule Zero,” the “Boss Rule,” that your first responsibility is to serve the shipper — that is, send him a car without delay. In times of plentiful car supply (soft economy), he’d follow Car Service, but in times of tight car supply, he would grab anything in the yard that would work. Tony Thompson tony@signaturepress.com
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I’m finishing up a book for the Missouri Pacific Historical
Society based on photos from the Joe Collias collection the society bought in September 2018. This morning I was looking through some 35mm shots that Wayne Leeman took while riding a freight between Jefferson City and St Louis in 1940. I enlarged a shot
he took of the St Louis yards and this odd three dome tank car appeared with two small domes and a large one in the middle section.