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Re: ACY 175-194 flatcars

Dean Payne
 

Tichy has TWO flat cars, IIRC.  You want the 4021 model, which is 40' long.  


Re: ACY 175-194 flatcars / USRA 42ft flat cars

akerboomk
 

There is an article by Richard Hendrickson on these cars in RailModel Journal Jan, 1997, pp53-59

The B&M had 300:
https://www.bmrrhs.org/flat_33500_series/

Although (other than that they had "evenly spaced" pockets) I'm not sure how the B&M cars differed from the USRA design / Red Caboose model
--
Ken Akerboom


Re: ACY 175-194 flatcars / USRA 42ft flat cars

Tim O'Connor
 

I don't know

On 9/20/2021 2:34 PM, Brian Carlson via groups.io wrote:
We’re the C&O cars PM before the merger?

Brian J. Carlson
On Sep 20, 2021, at 2:28 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@comcast.net> wrote:

Red Caboose 1920's fishbelly flat car

C&NW 1200 cars (40001-42499) odd numbers
NYC 300 cars
B&M 237 cars
FEC 200 cars
C&O 100 cars (80300-80399)
PM 100 cars
DT&I 25 cars
TC 25 cars (evenly spaced pockets)
GN ( very similar )
W&LE ( very similar ) --> went to the NKP

Tim O'Connor
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*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


Re: ACY 175-194 flatcars / USRA 42ft flat cars

 

We’re the C&O cars PM before the merger?

Brian J. Carlson


No. The C&O had 100 of the 42' cars built to the same basic spec as the 100 PM cars. They were almost all, if not entirely, in MOW or other non-revenue service by the time of the merger. 

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Andy Cummings
Houston, TX


Re: Interesting three dome tank car St Louis 23rd St yard

Charlie Duckworth
 

Thanks for all the replies. 
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: ACY 175-194 flatcars / USRA 42ft flat cars

Brian Carlson
 

We’re the C&O cars PM before the merger?

Brian J. Carlson

On Sep 20, 2021, at 2:28 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@comcast.net> wrote:

Red Caboose 1920's fishbelly flat car

C&NW 1200 cars (40001-42499) odd numbers
NYC 300 cars
B&M 237 cars
FEC 200 cars
C&O 100 cars (80300-80399)
PM 100 cars
DT&I 25 cars
TC 25 cars (evenly spaced pockets)
GN ( very similar )
W&LE ( very similar ) --> went to the NKP

Tim O'Connor


On 9/20/2021 1:41 PM, Todd Sullivan via groups.io wrote:
Bob,

The Red Caboose 42ft flat cars with their 'fishbelly sides' are either the USRA cars or pretty close. The only two RRs I know who had them are the NYC and the MILW. The NYC cars are fairly common on eBay in either red or black paint, but the MILW cars have not been produced in years. Too bad, as they would show up all over the country with lumber loads. There seemed to be about 200 or so in the early 1950s. Perhaps some MILW fans can chime in and add more information.

Todd Sullivan


--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*




--
Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY


Re: ACY 175-194 flatcars / USRA 42ft flat cars

Tony Thompson
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:

Red Caboose 1920's fishbelly flat car

C&NW 1200 cars (40001-42499) odd numbers
NYC 300 cars
I have Richard Hendfrickson’s notes about this Red Caboose model, and he mentions these two railroads, in agreement with Tim. I have myself lettered two of them for these roads.

Tony Thompson
tony@signaturepress.com


Re: ACY 175-194 flatcars / USRA 42ft flat cars

Tim O'Connor
 

Red Caboose 1920's fishbelly flat car

C&NW   1200 cars (40001-42499) odd numbers
NYC    300 cars
B&M    237 cars
FEC    200 cars
C&O    100 cars (80300-80399)
PM     100 cars
DT&I   25 cars
TC     25 cars (evenly spaced pockets)
GN     ( very similar )
W&LE   ( very similar ) --> went to the NKP

Tim O'Connor

On 9/20/2021 1:41 PM, Todd Sullivan via groups.io wrote:
Bob,

The Red Caboose 42ft flat cars with their 'fishbelly sides' are either the USRA cars or pretty close.  The only two RRs I know who had them are the NYC and the MILW.   The NYC cars are fairly common on eBay in either red or black paint, but the MILW cars have not been produced in years.  Too bad, as they would show up all over the country with lumber loads.  There seemed to be about 200 or so in the early 1950s.   Perhaps some MILW fans can chime in and add more information.

Todd Sullivan
--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


Re: Interesting three dome tank car St Louis 23rd St yard

Steve and Barb Hile
 

I was not unusual for GATX and UTLX to repurpose single compartment tank cars into two or three compartments by putting in extra heads to separate compartments.  You can see the rivet lines for two internal heads, one just beyond the first small dome and on just shy of the large center dome.  The other end would be similar.

 

If I read the car number as GATX 1331, we see these values in the 1955 GATX section of the tank car tariff (thanks to Ian Cranstone)

 

 

So, this was, probably, originally, a 10,000 gallon tank with a 432 gallon center dome.  After the remodeling, it had 3 approximately 2700 gallon compartments, two of which have 125 gallon domes.  This is probably a good match for the photo.

 

Extra credit:  At least the near compartment has internal heating coils, as evidenced by the two pipes coming through the head near the running board.

 

Steve Hile

 

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Subject: [RealSTMFC] Interesting three dome tank car St Louis 23rd St yard

 

I’m finishing up a book for the Missouri Pacific Historical Society based on photos from the Joe Collias collection the society bought in September 2018.  This morning I was looking through some 35mm shots that Wayne Leeman took while riding a freight between Jefferson City and St Louis in 1940.  I enlarged a shot he took of the St Louis yards and this odd three dome tank car appeared with two small domes and a large one in the middle section. 
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Interesting three dome tank car St Louis 23rd St yard

Tony Thompson
 

These kinds of rebuilt tank cars to get more compartments were very common in the wine-car fleet, though this particular car does not look like one of them.

Tony Thompson
tony@signaturepress.com


Re: Interesting three dome tank car St Louis 23rd St yard

Tim O'Connor
 


a couple more examples


On 9/20/2021 12:47 PM, Charlie Duckworth wrote:
I’m finishing up a book for the Missouri Pacific Historical Society based on photos from the Joe Collias collection the society bought in September 2018.  This morning I was looking through some 35mm shots that Wayne Leeman took while riding a freight between Jefferson City and St Louis in 1940.  I enlarged a shot he took of the St Louis yards and this odd three dome tank car appeared with two small domes and a large one in the middle section. 
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: ACY 175-194 flatcars / USRA 42ft flat cars

Todd Sullivan
 

Bob,

The Red Caboose 42ft flat cars with their 'fishbelly sides' are either the USRA cars or pretty close.  The only two RRs I know who had them are the NYC and the MILW.   The NYC cars are fairly common on eBay in either red or black paint, but the MILW cars have not been produced in years.  Too bad, as they would show up all over the country with lumber loads.  There seemed to be about 200 or so in the early 1950s.   Perhaps some MILW fans can chime in and add more information.

Todd Sullivan


FTWD Covered Hopper

Jerry Michels
 

Just wanted to let you guys know that the Amarillo Railroad Museum just received a limited run of InterMountain FTW&D 2-bay HC1 hoppers. Check out our website (www.amarillorailmuseum.com) or search eBay. Six numbers, roof redone to correct raised-rib type.

Thanks,
Jerry Michels


Re: Decaling Kadee cars.

Todd Sullivan
 

Sam,

Great piece of information.  Thank you!

Tod Sullivan



On Monday, September 20, 2021, 10:32:18 AM CDT, SamClarke via groups.io <samc@...> wrote:


Hello Brian and group,

 

Kadee cars have stryene bodies and Delrin parts, the bodies have a thin layer of water base paint and the parts are unpainted.

 

 

 

 

Sam Clarke

R&D / Tech Advisor / Artist

Kadee Quality Products Co.

mail@...

541-826-3883

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Choosing an empty car for loading

Todd Sullivan
 

Another wrinkle in this whole freight car handling thing is that
a) A RR's customers could demand certain car types and even cars from foreign RRs for loading, based on availability from lists of empty car tracks or special needs (e.g., 65ft mill gon plus idler cars for a long fabricated timber beam load).
b) Some cars were in assigned service between an industry and customers in a geographic area, e.g., covered hoppers in bulk feed service between Albers Milling in Portland to points on the GN (using GN cars), the NP (using NP cars) and UP (using UP cars).  Such cars were not always stenciled on their sides for the assigned service, although the paperwork for both loaded and empty movements would specify the assigned service, or at least "when empty, return to NPTCo Agent, Portland Oregon."

Each of these examples is from my clerking experience in Portland 1961-62.

Todd Sullivan


Re: Choosing an empty car for loading

Todd Sullivan
 

And Bob, I was the guy who did that presentation.

Just to add what Ken said,
- Home road cars could be used for any load.
- Since foreign cars cost the RR money in the form of per diem (daily) charges, clerks and yardmasters were incented to get them off the property, either by sending them loaded toward the owning RR's geographical area or by sending them home empty, usually via reverse route.
- When car shortages occurred, the car service rules were often ignored, e.g., I have seen published photos of PRR coal trains deep in anthracite territory that had more foreign road hoppers than PRR hoppers, so the PRR clerks and YMs were 'stealing' foreign road hoppers to fill mine operators' orders for empty hoppers..

Todd Sullivan.


Re: [EXT] [RealSTMFC] Interesting three dome tank car St Louis 23rd St yard

Bruce Smith
 

Charlie,

 

While multiple dome tank cars are reasonably rare, there’s a clear explanation for this one. It was originally build as a single dome car, and then modified by compartmentalizing it into 3 separate compartments and adding the two end domes. I don’t know the ratio of purpose built multicompartment cars to these after-the-fact multicompartment cars, but among multicompartment cars, they aren’t all that unusual.

 

Regards,

Bruce Smith

Auburn, Al

 

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I’m finishing up a book for the Missouri Pacific Historical Society based on photos from the Joe Collias collection the society bought in September 2018.  This morning I was looking through some 35mm shots that Wayne Leeman took while riding a freight between Jefferson City and St Louis in 1940.  I enlarged a shot he took of the St Louis yards and this odd three dome tank car appeared with two small domes and a large one in the middle section. 
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Decaling Kadee cars.

John Sykes III
 

I stand corrected.  In this case you can decal right onto them.

-- John


Interesting three dome tank car St Louis 23rd St yard

Charlie Duckworth
 

I’m finishing up a book for the Missouri Pacific Historical Society based on photos from the Joe Collias collection the society bought in September 2018.  This morning I was looking through some 35mm shots that Wayne Leeman took while riding a freight between Jefferson City and St Louis in 1940.  I enlarged a shot he took of the St Louis yards and this odd three dome tank car appeared with two small domes and a large one in the middle section. 
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Choosing an empty car for loading

Paul Koehler
 

Tony:

Very well said. You took care of the shipper who wanted a car for loading first. Everything else came second.

Paul C. Koehler

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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Choosing an empty car for loading

Robert G P wrote:

At an origin point such as a busy yard where lots of empties are located, who decides which car is used for what? Of course we all know that rules allow an empty Santa Fe boxcar in Cincinnati Oh to be loaded with cargo billed west as that is the direction of the car's home road but who decides on this? Could someone be written up or such for sending an empty Maine Central boxcar west when it should've been routed back north? Or using a large 50ft double door boxcar for a load where an old 40 ton would've been more than enough?
The individual responsible for this was the Car Distributor, who sent empties for loading. He was well aware of the Car Service Rules, but even more aware of “Rule Zero,” the “Boss Rule,” that your first responsibility is to serve the shipper — that is, send him a car without delay. In times of plentiful car supply (soft economy), he’d follow Car Service, but in times of tight car supply, he would grab anything in the yard that would work.

Tony Thompson
tony@signaturepress.com

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