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Virginian high-side gondola

Richard Townsend
 

In Allen Copeland's Denver & Rio Grande Western Color Pictorial - Volume One (p. 51) there is a September 1955 photo at Tabernash, CO, that appears to include a Virginian high-side gondola. The car has 12-panel sides that are not offset (i.e. not like the F&C VGN gondola). In my limited resources I have only been able to find photos of VGN offset-side gons. Can anyone enlighten me about what this car might be and what its characteristics are?

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


Re: Tamiya Thinner Question

Nelson Moyer
 

Thanks to all who offered suggestions and links. The question has been answered.

 

Nelson Moyer


Re: Tamiya Thinner Question

Robert J Miller CFA
 

This is what Andy of Andy’s Hobby Headquarters suggests. I’ve tried it with a new bottle of Tamiya paint and sprayed with my Iwata HP-CS with no issues.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQsXFl3yLho

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nelson Moyer
Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2021 10:42 PM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Tamiya Thinner Question

 

This may be off topic, but I have several freight car under construction, and I’d like to move away from Dullcote. I have bottles of Tamiya X-20A acrylic thinner, but no thinning instructions are on the label, and I can’t find thinning instructions on their web site. What’s the paint to thinner ratio for Tamiya products for airbrushing?

 

Nelson Moyer


Re: Tamiya Thinner Question

loumickie
 

Nelson,

I have also had very good results using Mr. Color Leveling Thinner with Tamiya paint. Many of the military modeling crowd use this as a go to, I mix it roughly 50/50 and spray it with my Iwata HP-CP at 20 psi.

Lou


Re: Westerfield Milwaukee USRA SS boxcar off the bench

Tim O'Connor
 


? Charlie you just described chipping. Base color, with overlays. I know you didn't use masking (obviously not
necessary if you're good enough!) but I was only saying that it is another means to the same end.

Tim O'Connor


On 9/26/2021 12:50 AM, Charlie Duckworth wrote:
Tim
I’ve used chipping on models but this method is the opposite.  The base color is laid down first and the oil paints are then painted on top. 
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Charlie Duckworth 


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Roundhouse 50' SS DD

Tim O'Connor
 


Better, except for the death of the retail hobby shops with a few exceptions. That is an aspect of the
hobby that I sorely miss. Even mail order (i.e. reservations) has gotten to be very complicated, esp when
delivery times stretch out more than a year. :-(

Tim O'Connor


On 9/25/2021 11:17 PM, Andy Carlson wrote:

As modelers, we have always felt happy with the best available model until a better one comes along. All of the earlier Sunshine, Westerfield and F&C single sheathed cars had deep and wide groves which made, in my opinion, horrible car sides but many bought them with gleeful pride. Then the better scribed techniques came out in various attempts to mitigate unrealistic car sides with differing results. Richard Hendricksen said it well when he stated that the "Good Old Days of modeling is today". The pure joy I felt upon my viewing of the then new Kadee PS-1 box cars prompted me to state that these box cars were the best HO freight cars to that point. And things are continuing to get better!
-Andy


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Tamiya Thinner Question

Nelson Moyer
 

X-20A is acrylic thinner, while X-20 is lacquer thinner. Are you thinning acrylic paint with lacquer thinner?

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Craig Zeni
Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2021 8:46 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Tamiya Thinner Question

 

Roughly 50/50. But X20A is my third favorite for thinning Tamiya.  I prefer either the Tamiya brand of lacquer thinner, or the amazing Mr Color Self Leveling Thinner.


Re: Tamiya Thinner Question

Craig Zeni
 

Roughly 50/50. But X20A is my third favorite for thinning Tamiya.  I prefer either the Tamiya brand of lacquer thinner, or the amazing Mr Color Self Leveling Thinner.


Re: Tamiya Thinner Question

Scott
 

Nelson,

Give Luckys Varnish a try too.  It comes in gloss, satin, Matt, extra Matt.  It is acrylic and comes pre thinned ready to go.  Get some plastic spoons and prime and paint the back sides then practice with the clears.  The extra Matt is dead flat with minimal color shift.  There are instructions on the product page on psi and distance.  It comes in various sizes so get the little 17mil bottles to see if you like it.  It is readily available on Ebay.

https://www.migjimenez.com/en/auxiliary-products-glues/1497-matt-lucky-varnish-17-ml.html

Scott McDonald 


Re: Tamiya Thinner Question

steve_wintner
 


Re: Westerfield Milwaukee USRA SS boxcar off the bench

Charlie Duckworth
 

Tim
I’ve used chipping on models but this method is the opposite.  The base color is laid down first and the oil paints are then painted on top. 
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Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Roundhouse 50' SS DD

Andy Carlson
 



Actually, my decision to start work on this car had nothing to do for improving the MDC WP 50'car; as the MDC car wasn't released until I had finished the work on my  own resin 50' WP car.  I am a decades-long advocate for finer (read as more realistic) wood siding replications.

I hope to have finished results from a long-stalled double wood sheath resin box car. I experimented with a technique which makes for a better appearing look which is meeting expectations beyond my initial hopes. It is of a box car which I think several were brought over to Hawaii for the war effort. I will take photos.

As modelers, we have always felt happy with the best available model until a better one comes along. All of the earlier Sunshine, Westerfield and F&C single sheathed cars had deep and wide groves which made, in my opinion, horrible car sides but many bought them with gleeful pride. Then the better scribed techniques came out in various attempts to mitigate unrealistic car sides with differing results. Richard Hendricksen said it well when he stated that the "Good Old Days of modeling is today". The pure joy I felt upon my viewing of the then new Kadee PS-1 box cars prompted me to state that these box cars were the best HO freight cars to that point. And things are continuing to get better!
-Andy



Andy has always been critical  of the deep board separations  This prompted him to do the castings.

Bill Pardie





Has anyone found a good technique for filling in the overly thick "board" grooves ? Between that and carving off grabs, I've avoided this and many other plastic cars...

I've wondered if Mr. Hobby Surfacer would do the trick but have too many other tasks on the list ...

Steve
_._,_._,_


Tamiya Thinner Question

Nelson Moyer
 

This may be off topic, but I have several freight car under construction, and I’d like to move away from Dullcote. I have bottles of Tamiya X-20A acrylic thinner, but no thinning instructions are on the label, and I can’t find thinning instructions on their web site. What’s the paint to thinner ratio for Tamiya products for airbrushing?

 

Nelson Moyer


Re: Intermountain Santa Fe Refrigerator car - in kit form

Bob Chaparro
 

Bill Messecar commented:
"
You may want to make people aware that the Rr-21 is not correct as this was a new steel car and not a rebuild. The other three classes are fine."
Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Westerfield Milwaukee USRA SS boxcar off the bench

Charlie Duckworth
 

Thanks 

On Sat, Sep 25, 2021 at 5:14 PM Michael Gross <ActorMichaelGross@...> wrote:
Inspirational, Charlie.  Thank you!
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Michael Gross
Pasadena, CA


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Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Westerfield Milwaukee USRA SS boxcar off the bench

Michael Gross
 

Inspirational, Charlie.  Thank you!
--
Michael Gross
Pasadena, CA


Re: P-S riveted boxcars

Ed Hawkins
 



On Sep 25, 2021, at 1:15 AM, Scott H. Haycock <shhaycock@...> wrote:

Were Pullman Standard's Bow Tie roofs ever applied to their riveted box cars that were built just before the PS-1 welded box cars were introduced?

Scott,
Short answer is no. Prior to production of the earliest PS-1 box cars in June 1947, earlier riveted-side box cars built by Pullman-Standard to AAR designs used a variety of roofs to include Murphy, Viking, and various versions of flat-panel riveted roofs.

Hope this helps.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: Westerfield Milwaukee USRA SS boxcar off the bench

Tim O'Connor
 


I think armor modelers call that style of paint deterioration as "chipping". They apply an undercoat
base color and then dab either water-soluble glue (cheap hair spray is popular) or commercial fluids
from model paint vendors (also water soluble) and then overcoat all of that with a top color. Then the
water soluble MASK is removed leaving patches of the base coat visible. There are lots of videos on
Youtube that are very instructive. Of course model railroaders use the techniques as well. Multiple
layers can be done this way.

Sometimes modelers use table salt (coarse or fine), or rubber cement.  Same idea, they are used as
a mask to protect the base color.

Tim O'Connor


On 9/25/2021 10:07 AM, Eric Hansmann wrote:

That looks fabulous, Charlie! I like the effect on the individual sheathing boards. I frequently see similar failures on prototype photos.

 

The roof work is exemplary. I’ve got a few boxcars inching towards the paint booth so I’ll be trying new methods on the roof weathering.

 

Thanks for sharing!

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN




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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Westerfield Milwaukee USRA SS boxcar off the bench

Eric Hansmann
 

That looks fabulous, Charlie! I like the effect on the individual sheathing boards. I frequently see similar failures on prototype photos.

 

The roof work is exemplary. I’ve got a few boxcars inching towards the paint booth so I’ll be trying new methods on the roof weathering.

 

Thanks for sharing!

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Charlie Duckworth
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2021 1:52 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Westerfield Milwaukee USRA SS boxcar off the bench

 


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Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: P-S riveted boxcars

Tim O'Connor
 

I think the welded PS-1 was always the standard. Some railroads wanted riveted sides.

Are you asking about the pre-1950 bow tie roof, or the 1950+ bow tie roof? Both are now
available from Tangent as detail parts.

Tim O'Connor

On 9/25/2021 2:15 AM, Scott H. Haycock wrote:
Folks,

Were Pullman Standard's Bow Tie roofs ever applied to their riveted box cars that were built just before the PS-1 welded box cars were introduced?

Thanks,

Scott Haycock
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*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*

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