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Re: Using hoarded parts

Clark Propst
 

One more shot before painting, which I've done. The yellow resin box car in the background is one I bought at Caboose Stop Hobbies last Wednesday. I picked up the Ribside at a swap meet yesterday for $5. Plan to detail the underside a bit and renumber. The previous owner kind of botched his renumbering attempt. The M&StL car was a gift from John Golden. It needed some minor repairs and renumbering - I had the same number...
Clark


Re: End View for Rapido NP Boxcar

Tim O'Connor
 


A soldering iron works too. It's greener :-)


On 10/10/2021 7:34 PM, Nelson Moyer wrote:

A-Line sill steps are much easier to bend and shape after being annealed. Hold them in a flame until they glow red, then cool and bend away. I use an alcohol lamp, but a butane lighter or candle works.

 

Nelson Moyer



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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: more glue questions

Tim O'Connor
 


For hidden weights I like to use DAP silicone caulk which dries hard in about 24 hours.
And it's cheap. 😁

Tim O'Connor

On 10/11/2021 1:02 AM, Stanley Agar wrote:

Hi,

For years now I have drilled 2 small (1/8th inch or so) holes in the bottom of any boxcar, reefer or tank car to let anything vent out.

From my British modelling days 30 years ago I have a bogie open wagon (aka a gondola) plastic kit that had its lead weights glued on the bottom with contact adhesive (Evo-Stick) which now has a banana shaped floor, even though it was completely in the open and not sealed shut.

These days I’m a fan of using canopy glue to hold weights in place, it’s just slow to set.

Stan Agar in NZ



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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: more glue questions

Stanley Agar
 

Hi,

For years now I have drilled 2 small (1/8th inch or so) holes in the bottom of any boxcar, reefer or tank car to let anything vent out.

From my British modelling days 30 years ago I have a bogie open wagon (aka a gondola) plastic kit that had its lead weights glued on the bottom with contact adhesive (Evo-Stick) which now has a banana shaped floor, even though it was completely in the open and not sealed shut.

These days I’m a fan of using canopy glue to hold weights in place, it’s just slow to set.

Stan Agar in NZ


Re: more glue questions

Dennis Storzek
 

On Sat, Oct 9, 2021 at 05:21 PM, Charles Peck wrote:
So much difference is there between old yellow Barge and Weldwood contact cement? 
Don't they work in a similar way? 
ALL these solvent based contact cements we've been discussing work the same way. They are a synthetic rubber (Weldwood says neoprene, Pliobond says nitrile, can't find what's in Barge) dissolved in a mix of solvents blended to give the drying time desired. Here is the list of solvents for Weldwood:
Toluene, Methyl ethyl ketone (MEK), Light aliphatic solvent naphtha, n-Heptane
Can't find a MSDS sheet for Goo, although a good guess would be old boots dissolved in naphtha. Whatever the solvent in Goo is, it must be exceedingly slow to evaporate, or the formula includes some plasticizer to keep the glue line pliable, and that 
plasticizer migrates into polystyrene and makes IT pliable.

Dennis Storzek


Re: End View for Rapido NP Boxcar

Nelson Moyer
 

A-Line sill steps are much easier to bend and shape after being annealed. Hold them in a flame until they glow red, then cool and bend away. I use an alcohol lamp, but a butane lighter or candle works.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 5:29 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] End View for Rapido NP Boxcar

 

I created that brake staff support using etched metal part fret material. The details were installed on a pair of B&O M-26b boxcars. I found the etched metal was easier to drill and form than the A-Line steps. YMMV. 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN


On Oct 10, 2021, at 1:46 PM, Michael Gross <ActorMichaelGross@...> wrote:

In 2018, Ted Culotta documented adding finer details to Rapido's pre-WWII Northern Pacific DS boxcar.  Among Ted's enhancements to the B-End (photo below) was a brake staff pivot support made from an A-Line sill step.  Hoping to take this detail a step further, I would like to add whatever chain or cable attached to the staff above the support.  Can anyone provide a prototype photo of the B-End of NP's 10000-series boxcars, or am I safe in just wrapping a bit of fine chain around the staff without a photo?  Many thanks for any assistance.
--
Michael Gross
Pasadena, CA

<Rapido B-End.jpg>


Re: Photos: Cotton County Poultry & Egg Co. Reefer MGMX 101

ROGER HINMAN
 

I haven’t had time to look into this reporting mark in depth, but this and a couple of the other photos in the NYCHS Archive may be proposal photos taken at East Rochester, where one car was painted up in a proposed scheme but no lease or sale was ever made. I have seen a couple of other photos where General American did the same thing.

Roger Hinman

On Oct 10, 2021, at 2:18 PM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

Photos: Cotton County Poultry & Egg Co. Reefer MGMX 101
Photos courtesy of the New York Central System Historical Society:
I have no reference for the MGMX reporting mark for the time period of this car.
Bob Chaparro
Moderator
Railway Bull Shippers Group


Re: End View for Rapido NP Boxcar

Eric Hansmann
 

I created that brake staff support using etched metal part fret material. The details were installed on a pair of B&O M-26b boxcars. I found the etched metal was easier to drill and form than the A-Line steps. YMMV. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On Oct 10, 2021, at 1:46 PM, Michael Gross <ActorMichaelGross@...> wrote:

In 2018, Ted Culotta documented adding finer details to Rapido's pre-WWII Northern Pacific DS boxcar.  Among Ted's enhancements to the B-End (photo below) was a brake staff pivot support made from an A-Line sill step.  Hoping to take this detail a step further, I would like to add whatever chain or cable attached to the staff above the support.  Can anyone provide a prototype photo of the B-End of NP's 10000-series boxcars, or am I safe in just wrapping a bit of fine chain around the staff without a photo?  Many thanks for any assistance.
--
Michael Gross
Pasadena, CA
<Rapido B-End.jpg>


Re: End View for Rapido NP Boxcar

np328
 

Here as jpgs   Jim 


Re: End View for Rapido NP Boxcar

Michael Gross
 

Thank you, James, Fenton and Nelson...

The end photographs and the information are extremely helpful, and I thank you for your kindness.

Wonderful to be surrounded by those who know much more than I.  :0)
--
Michael Gross
Pasadena, CA


Re: End View for Rapido NP Boxcar

np328
 

Someone mentioned off line they had trouble opening my TIFF formatted uploads. I'll see if I can convert them to jpg as for the website, that format seems to work better.   Jim 


Re: End View for Rapido NP Boxcar

Nelson Moyer
 

I don’t have a B end shot of a NP car showing the brake chain, but here’s a CB&Q car of similar construction. Note that the chain isn’t wrapped around the square brake shaft unless the handbrake is set. The chain is bolted to the brake staff.  Also note that the stop cock for the air line is offset about 35° to the left of vertical. That’s standard practice for all stop cocks, but I don’t remember the exact mounting angle.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Gross
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 1:47 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] End View for Rapido NP Boxcar

 

In 2018, Ted Culotta documented adding finer details to Rapido's pre-WWII Northern Pacific DS boxcar.  Among Ted's enhancements to the B-End (photo below) was a brake staff pivot support made from an A-Line sill step.  Hoping to take this detail a step further, I would like to add whatever chain or cable attached to the staff above the support.  Can anyone provide a prototype photo of the B-End of NP's 10000-series boxcars, or am I safe in just wrapping a bit of fine chain around the staff without a photo?  Many thanks for any assistance.
--
Michael Gross
Pasadena, CA

 


Re: more glue questions/Barge cement

np328
 

Todd,
      I would like to think that you, and others are safe in the manner you described using this adhesive. (post 187724) 
And I put out my post only as a heads up to prevent the experiences that Andy and Dan experienced.
Too often we have read here where a model is painstakingly made only to have some one step suddenly turn ugly.   
And acknowledging Andy's comment about the the good old American POV that "if some is good, more is better", does not always apply.   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                              James Dick    Roseville, MN 
                                                                                                                                                                              


Re: End View for Rapido NP Boxcar

np328
 

Michael, 
     here are two of the builders photos I submitted to Rapido for the initial evaluation on producing this car many years ago. 
Chain wrap can be plainly seen.                                                                                                                                                  James Dick - Roseville, MN  
   


Re: End View for Rapido NP Boxcar

O Fenton Wells
 

I do the chain wrap.
Fenton

On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 2:46 PM Michael Gross <ActorMichaelGross@...> wrote:
In 2018, Ted Culotta documented adding finer details to Rapido's pre-WWII Northern Pacific DS boxcar.  Among Ted's enhancements to the B-End (photo below) was a brake staff pivot support made from an A-Line sill step.  Hoping to take this detail a step further, I would like to add whatever chain or cable attached to the staff above the support.  Can anyone provide a prototype photo of the B-End of NP's 10000-series boxcars, or am I safe in just wrapping a bit of fine chain around the staff without a photo?  Many thanks for any assistance.
--
Michael Gross
Pasadena, CA



--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


End View for Rapido NP Boxcar

Michael Gross
 

In 2018, Ted Culotta documented adding finer details to Rapido's pre-WWII Northern Pacific DS boxcar.  Among Ted's enhancements to the B-End (photo below) was a brake staff pivot support made from an A-Line sill step.  Hoping to take this detail a step further, I would like to add whatever chain or cable attached to the staff above the support.  Can anyone provide a prototype photo of the B-End of NP's 10000-series boxcars, or am I safe in just wrapping a bit of fine chain around the staff without a photo?  Many thanks for any assistance.
--
Michael Gross
Pasadena, CA


Photos: Cotton County Poultry & Egg Co. Reefer MGMX 101

Bob Chaparro
 

Photos: Cotton County Poultry & Egg Co. Reefer MGMX 101

Photos courtesy of the New York Central System Historical Society:

https://nycshs.omeka.net/items/show/130304

https://nycshs.omeka.net/items/show/130307

I have no reference for the MGMX reporting mark for the time period of this car.

Bob Chaparro

Moderator

Railway Bull Shippers Group

https://groups.io/g/RailwayBullShippersGroup


Photos: Columbus Packing Company Reefers CBRX 204 & CBRX 147

Bob Chaparro
 

Photos: Columbus Packing Company Reefers CBRX 204 & CBRX 147

Photos courtesy of the New York Central System Historical Society:

https://nycshs.omeka.net/items/show/130294

https://nycshs.omeka.net/items/show/130296

CBRX reporting mark assigned to Capital Brand Refrigerator Express/Columbus Packing Co.

South High Street, Columbus, Ohio.

Railroad: Hocking Valley.

Weekly killing capacities:

Cattle, 250; hogs, 3,000; sheep, 200. Sausage — Fresh and smoked. By-Products — Dried blood, tankage, hog and chicken feed.

Trade Marks — Hams and bacon, "Capital"; lard, "Royal" and "Capital." Also exports.

Bob Chaparro

Moderator

Railway Bull Shippers Group

https://groups.io/g/RailwayBullShippersGroup


Re: more glue questions

Tim O'Connor
 


haha yes they are roughly equivalent. i'm sure there are other brands too.

i tried water based contact cement once and did not like it. gimme the old nasty stuff.

I just looked on Amazon and Barge Cement quarts (the old stuff) is still available - 30
bucks gets you a lifetime supply! 😁

Tim

On 10/10/2021 10:27 AM, Eric Hansmann wrote:
I don’t know, Chuck. I’ve never used Weldwood. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On Oct 9, 2021, at 7:21 PM, Charles Peck <lnnrr152@...> wrote:

So much difference is there between old yellow Barge and Weldwood contact cement? 
Don't they work in a similar way? 
Chuck Peck



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: more glue questions

Eric Hansmann
 

I don’t know, Chuck. I’ve never used Weldwood. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On Oct 9, 2021, at 7:21 PM, Charles Peck <lnnrr152@...> wrote:

So much difference is there between old yellow Barge and Weldwood contact cement? 
Don't they work in a similar way? 
Chuck Peck

On Sat, Oct 9, 2021 at 7:51 PM Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:
New Barge is in a blue tube. I’ve bought them at Hobby Lobby. Look in the leather working area. The latest tube came from a local shoe repair shop. 

Old Barge was in a yellow tube. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On Oct 9, 2021, at 6:36 PM, Charles Peck <lnnrr152@...> wrote:

I have forgotten which color is the new Barge cement and which is the old.  
Chuck Peck

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