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Re: End View for Rapido NP Boxcar
Eric Hansmann
Nelson,
I've tried to use the A-Line sill steps but had difficulty drilling the brake staff hole. I find the thinner etched metal fret material easier to drill, plus it's a bit wider than the sill steps. Here's an end view of the B&O M-26b boxcars I recently wrapped up. I used the leftover fret material for the brake staff support on both models. Click on the image for a slightly larger view.
Here's a three-quarter view before paint application.
BTW, attached is an end view of NP 11348 for your archives and to follow closer to the topic. This came from the AC&F collection on the Barriger Library Flickr site.
Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN
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Re: Resin kit collection for sale
Clark Propst
Talked to Carol (Caboose Stop Hobbies) yesterday. She said she was going to show her Westerfield and other resin kits during her Zoom Wednesday evening.
Clark PS she has 6 kits from last week left.
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Re: Using hoarded parts
Clark
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Nice! That car was a cripple, and you have restored it to full service! Tim O'Connor
On 10/11/2021 11:07 AM, Clark Propst
via groups.io wrote:
One more shot before painting, which I've done. The yellow resin box car in the background is one I bought at Caboose Stop Hobbies last Wednesday. I picked up the Ribside at a swap meet yesterday for $5. Plan to detail the underside a bit and renumber. The previous owner kind of botched his renumbering attempt. The M&StL car was a gift from John Golden. It needed some minor repairs and renumbering - I had the same number... --
Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Re: Using hoarded parts
Clark Propst
One more shot before painting, which I've done. The yellow resin box car in the background is one I bought at Caboose Stop Hobbies last Wednesday. I picked up the Ribside at a swap meet yesterday for $5. Plan to detail the underside a bit and renumber. The previous owner kind of botched his renumbering attempt. The M&StL car was a gift from John Golden. It needed some minor repairs and renumbering - I had the same number...
Clark
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Re: End View for Rapido NP Boxcar
A soldering iron works too. It's greener :-)
On 10/10/2021 7:34 PM, Nelson Moyer
wrote:
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Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Re: more glue questions
For hidden weights I like to use DAP silicone caulk which dries hard in about 24 hours. And it's cheap. 😁 Tim O'Connor
On 10/11/2021 1:02 AM, Stanley Agar
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Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Re: more glue questions
Stanley Agar
Hi, From my British modelling days 30 years ago I have a bogie open wagon (aka a gondola) plastic kit that had its lead weights glued on the bottom with contact adhesive (Evo-Stick) which now has a banana shaped floor, even though it was completely in the open and not sealed shut. These days I’m a fan of using canopy glue to hold weights in place, it’s just slow to set.
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Re: more glue questions
Dennis Storzek
On Sat, Oct 9, 2021 at 05:21 PM, Charles Peck wrote:
ALL these solvent based contact cements we've been discussing work the same way. They are a synthetic rubber (Weldwood says neoprene, Pliobond says nitrile, can't find what's in Barge) dissolved in a mix of solvents blended to give the drying time desired. Here is the list of solvents for Weldwood: Toluene, Methyl ethyl ketone (MEK), Light aliphatic solvent naphtha, n-Heptane Can't find a MSDS sheet for Goo, although a good guess would be old boots dissolved in naphtha. Whatever the solvent in Goo is, it must be exceedingly slow to evaporate, or the formula includes some plasticizer to keep the glue line pliable, and that plasticizer migrates into polystyrene and makes IT pliable. Dennis Storzek
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Re: End View for Rapido NP Boxcar
Nelson Moyer
A-Line sill steps are much easier to bend and shape after being annealed. Hold them in a flame until they glow red, then cool and bend away. I use an alcohol lamp, but a butane lighter or candle works.
Nelson Moyer
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 5:29 PM To: main@realstmfc.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] End View for Rapido NP Boxcar
I created that brake staff support using etched metal part fret material. The details were installed on a pair of B&O M-26b boxcars. I found the etched metal was easier to drill and form than the A-Line steps. YMMV.
Eric Hansmann Murfreesboro, TN
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Re: Photos: Cotton County Poultry & Egg Co. Reefer MGMX 101
ROGER HINMAN
I haven’t had time to look into this reporting mark in depth, but this and a couple of the other photos in the NYCHS Archive may be proposal photos taken at East Rochester, where one car was painted up in a proposed scheme but no lease or sale was ever made. I have seen a couple of other photos where General American did the same thing.
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Roger Hinman
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Re: End View for Rapido NP Boxcar
Eric Hansmann
I created that brake staff support using etched metal part fret material. The details were installed on a pair of B&O M-26b boxcars. I found the etched metal was easier to drill and form than the A-Line steps. YMMV.
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Eric Hansmann Murfreesboro, TN
On Oct 10, 2021, at 1:46 PM, Michael Gross <ActorMichaelGross@...> wrote:
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Re: End View for Rapido NP Boxcar
np328
Here as jpgs Jim
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Re: End View for Rapido NP Boxcar
Thank you, James, Fenton and Nelson...
The end photographs and the information are extremely helpful, and I thank you for your kindness. Wonderful to be surrounded by those who know much more than I. :0) -- Michael Gross Pasadena, CA
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Re: End View for Rapido NP Boxcar
np328
Someone mentioned off line they had trouble opening my TIFF formatted uploads. I'll see if I can convert them to jpg as for the website, that format seems to work better. Jim
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Re: End View for Rapido NP Boxcar
Nelson Moyer
I don’t have a B end shot of a NP car showing the brake chain, but here’s a CB&Q car of similar construction. Note that the chain isn’t wrapped around the square brake shaft unless the handbrake is set. The chain is bolted to the brake staff. Also note that the stop cock for the air line is offset about 35° to the left of vertical. That’s standard practice for all stop cocks, but I don’t remember the exact mounting angle.
Nelson Moyer
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Michael Gross
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 1:47 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: [RealSTMFC] End View for Rapido NP Boxcar
In 2018, Ted Culotta documented adding finer details to Rapido's pre-WWII Northern Pacific DS boxcar. Among Ted's enhancements to the B-End (photo below) was a brake staff pivot support made from an A-Line sill step. Hoping to take this
detail a step further, I would like to add whatever chain or cable attached to the staff above the support. Can anyone provide a prototype photo of the B-End of NP's 10000-series boxcars, or am I safe in just wrapping a bit of fine chain around the staff
without a photo? Many thanks for any assistance.
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Re: more glue questions/Barge cement
np328
Todd,
I would like to think that you, and others are safe in the manner you described using this adhesive. (post 187724) And I put out my post only as a heads up to prevent the experiences that Andy and Dan experienced. Too often we have read here where a model is painstakingly made only to have some one step suddenly turn ugly. And acknowledging Andy's comment about the the good old American POV that "if some is good, more is better", does not always apply. James Dick Roseville, MN
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Re: End View for Rapido NP Boxcar
np328
Michael,
here are two of the builders photos I submitted to Rapido for the initial evaluation on producing this car many years ago. Chain wrap can be plainly seen. James Dick - Roseville, MN
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Re: End View for Rapido NP Boxcar
I do the chain wrap. Fenton
On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 2:46 PM Michael Gross <ActorMichaelGross@...> wrote: In 2018, Ted Culotta documented adding finer details to Rapido's pre-WWII Northern Pacific DS boxcar. Among Ted's enhancements to the B-End (photo below) was a brake staff pivot support made from an A-Line sill step. Hoping to take this detail a step further, I would like to add whatever chain or cable attached to the staff above the support. Can anyone provide a prototype photo of the B-End of NP's 10000-series boxcars, or am I safe in just wrapping a bit of fine chain around the staff without a photo? Many thanks for any assistance. --
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End View for Rapido NP Boxcar
In 2018, Ted Culotta documented adding finer details to Rapido's pre-WWII Northern Pacific DS boxcar. Among Ted's enhancements to the B-End (photo below) was a brake staff pivot support made from an A-Line sill step. Hoping to take this detail a step further, I would like to add whatever chain or cable attached to the staff above the support. Can anyone provide a prototype photo of the B-End of NP's 10000-series boxcars, or am I safe in just wrapping a bit of fine chain around the staff without a photo? Many thanks for any assistance.
-- Michael Gross Pasadena, CA
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Photos: Cotton County Poultry & Egg Co. Reefer MGMX 101
Photos: Cotton County Poultry & Egg Co. Reefer MGMX 101 Photos courtesy of the New York Central System Historical Society: https://nycshs.omeka.net/items/show/130304 https://nycshs.omeka.net/items/show/130307 I have no reference for the MGMX reporting mark for the time period of this car. Bob Chaparro Moderator Railway Bull Shippers Group
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