Photos: Meyer Kornblum Reefers MKPX 244 and MKPX 119
Photos: Meyer Kornblum Reefers MKPX 244 and MKPX 119 Photos courtesy of the New York Central System Historical Society: https://nycshs.omeka.net/items/show/130316 https://nycshs.omeka.net/items/show/130317 MKPX reporting mark assigned to Meyer Kornblum Refrigerator Car Company and Merchants Despatch, Inc. This same reporting mark later was assigned to the Campbell Soup Co./Central Division. Bob Chaparro Moderator Railway Bull Shippers Group
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Re: more glue questions
Steve SANDIFER
This is the one I have used.
J. Stephen Sandifer
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gary Ray
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 8:39 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] more glue questions
Yellow is the old. I bought a quart of it on the internet about 10 years ago for adhering track to CVMW tie strips. Had tried the “new” and it did not work for that purpose when I added MEK. I think shoe repair shops can still get the old formula if there are any in your area. Another disappearing industry. Gary Ray Weatherford, TX
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ralph W. Brown
Hi Eric,
What is the difference between the old and the new Barge cement?
Thanks,
Ralph Brown
From: Eric Hansmann Sent: Saturday, October 9, 2021 7:51 PM Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] more glue questions
New Barge is in a blue tube. I’ve bought them at Hobby Lobby. Look in the leather working area. The latest tube came from a local shoe repair shop.
Old Barge was in a yellow tube.
Eric Hansmann Murfreesboro, TN
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Re: End View for Rapido NP Boxcar
Nelson Moyer
Wow, did my spell checker mess that up.
Nelson Moyer
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Steve and Barb Hile
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2021 3:40 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] End View for Rapido NP Boxcar
Or at least Disney! :>)
Steve Hile
From:
main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io]
On Behalf Of Nelson Moyer
Just think how much more difficult HO prototype modeling would be if we had high resolution photos for everything.
I see you’re a Lewis Carroll affection ado.
Nelson Moyer
From:
main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Steve and Barb Hile
If you zoom in on the NP boxcar end that Eric posted, it appears that the shaft is square from the lever end down to near the lowest ladder rung, where it seems to transition to a round rod that threads into the short segment of pipe that is attached via whatever yoke shape to the brake chain.
Curiouser and curiouser.
Steve Hile
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Re: End View for Rapido NP Boxcar
Steve SANDIFER
Here are a couple from my collection.
J. Stephen Sandifer
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nelson Moyer
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2021 1:33 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] End View for Rapido NP Boxcar
The chain is attached to a U-bolt casting with eyes on both ends that is in turn bolted to the square shaft. I see that on CB&Q single sheathed boxcars. That’s too small to model in HO scale, so I insert the brake staff through the last link in the brake chain. I’ve seen modelers use a wire ring around the brake shaft with the chain attached to the ring.
Nelson Moyer
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve and Barb Hile
Interestingly, it appears that the brake chain attaches to the shaft with some sort of yoke (half of a turnbuckle for extreme modelers! :>) )
Steve Hile
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Nelson,
I've tried to use the A-Line sill steps but had difficulty drilling the brake staff hole. I find the thinner etched metal fret material easier to drill, plus it's a bit wider than the sill steps. Here's an end view of the B&O M-26b boxcars I recently wrapped up. I used the leftover fret material for the brake staff support on both models. Click on the image for a slightly larger view.
Here's a three-quarter view before paint application.
BTW, attached is an end view of NP 11348 for your archives and to follow closer to the topic. This came from the AC&F collection on the Barriger Library Flickr site.
Eric Hansmann
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PRR Virtual evening
Folks,
The PRR T&HS is planning a virtual PRR evening on November 20, 2021, 7:00pm-9:00pm (Eastern Daylight Savings Time) , through Zoom. Thanks to Auburn University, we will be able to host presentations on the history of the PRR and modeling the PRR by experienced speakers. There is no registration fee, but you will need to register in advance, since participation will be limited to 300. Registration is open now - go to: https://auburn.zoom.us/meeting/register/tZwkfumoqDIiH9PuEMxa1huYGKRJQa8_9T1Y
In order to have a virtual meeting of a very large group, we ask everyone to abide by the following ground rules:
The presentations are:
Regards, Bruce Smith
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Re: End View for Rapido NP Boxcar
Or at least Disney! :>)
Steve Hile
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nelson Moyer
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2021 3:23 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] End View for Rapido NP Boxcar
Just think how much more difficult HO prototype modeling would be if we had high resolution photos for everything.
I see you’re a Lewis Carroll affection ado.
Nelson Moyer
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve and Barb Hile
If you zoom in on the NP boxcar end that Eric posted, it appears that the shaft is square from the lever end down to near the lowest ladder rung, where it seems to transition to a round rod that threads into the short segment of pipe that is attached via whatever yoke shape to the brake chain.
Curiouser and curiouser.
Steve Hile
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Re: End View for Rapido NP Boxcar
Nelson Moyer
Just think how much more difficult HO prototype modeling would be if we had high resolution photos for everything.
I see you’re a Lewis Carroll affection ado.
Nelson Moyer
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Steve and Barb Hile
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2021 3:07 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] End View for Rapido NP Boxcar
If you zoom in on the NP boxcar end that Eric posted, it appears that the shaft is square from the lever end down to near the lowest ladder rung, where it seems to transition to a round rod that threads into the short segment of pipe that is attached via whatever yoke shape to the brake chain.
Curiouser and curiouser.
Steve Hile
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Re: End View for Rapido NP Boxcar
If you zoom in on the NP boxcar end that Eric posted, it appears that the shaft is square from the lever end down to near the lowest ladder rung, where it seems to transition to a round rod that threads into the short segment of pipe that is attached via whatever yoke shape to the brake chain.
Curiouser and curiouser.
Steve Hile
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nelson Moyer
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2021 1:33 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] End View for Rapido NP Boxcar
The chain is attached to a U-bolt casting with eyes on both ends that is in turn bolted to the square shaft. I see that on CB&Q single sheathed boxcars. That’s too small to model in HO scale, so I insert the brake staff through the last link in the brake chain. I’ve seen modelers use a wire ring around the brake shaft with the chain attached to the ring.
Nelson Moyer
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve and Barb Hile
Interestingly, it appears that the brake chain attaches to the shaft with some sort of yoke (half of a turnbuckle for extreme modelers! :>) )
Steve Hile
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Nelson,
I've tried to use the A-Line sill steps but had difficulty drilling the brake staff hole. I find the thinner etched metal fret material easier to drill, plus it's a bit wider than the sill steps. Here's an end view of the B&O M-26b boxcars I recently wrapped up. I used the leftover fret material for the brake staff support on both models. Click on the image for a slightly larger view.
Here's a three-quarter view before paint application.
BTW, attached is an end view of NP 11348 for your archives and to follow closer to the topic. This came from the AC&F collection on the Barriger Library Flickr site.
Eric Hansmann
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20 Westerfield Caswell gon kits on Ebay, current price: $99
Dave Nelson
This auction seems pretty unusual so this is a last day heads up. I don't know seller. Nobody has yet bid on this lot. Good luck! Dave Nelson
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Re: End View for Rapido NP Boxcar
Nelson Moyer
The chain is attached to a U-bolt casting with eyes on both ends that is in turn bolted to the square shaft. I see that on CB&Q single sheathed boxcars. That’s too small to model in HO scale, so I insert the brake staff through the last link in the brake chain. I’ve seen modelers use a wire ring around the brake shaft with the chain attached to the ring.
Nelson Moyer
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Steve and Barb Hile
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2021 12:29 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] End View for Rapido NP Boxcar
Interestingly, it appears that the brake chain attaches to the shaft with some sort of yoke (half of a turnbuckle for extreme modelers! :>) )
Steve Hile
From:
main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io]
On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Nelson,
I've tried to use the A-Line sill steps but had difficulty drilling the brake staff hole. I find the thinner etched metal fret material easier to drill, plus it's a bit wider than the sill steps. Here's an end view of the B&O M-26b boxcars I recently wrapped up. I used the leftover fret material for the brake staff support on both models. Click on the image for a slightly larger view.
Here's a three-quarter view before paint application.
BTW, attached is an end view of NP 11348 for your archives and to follow closer to the topic. This came from the AC&F collection on the Barriger Library Flickr site.
Eric Hansmann
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Re: End View for Rapido NP Boxcar
Interestingly, it appears that the brake chain attaches to the shaft with some sort of yoke (half of a turnbuckle for extreme modelers! :>) )
Steve Hile
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2021 11:38 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] End View for Rapido NP Boxcar
Nelson,
I've tried to use the A-Line sill steps but had difficulty drilling the brake staff hole. I find the thinner etched metal fret material easier to drill, plus it's a bit wider than the sill steps. Here's an end view of the B&O M-26b boxcars I recently wrapped up. I used the leftover fret material for the brake staff support on both models. Click on the image for a slightly larger view.
Here's a three-quarter view before paint application.
BTW, attached is an end view of NP 11348 for your archives and to follow closer to the topic. This came from the AC&F collection on the Barriger Library Flickr site.
Eric Hansmann
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Re: End View for Rapido NP Boxcar
Nelson Moyer
I wasn’t suggesting using the A-Line sill steps for brake staff footings, just relating my experience with annealing to make them easier to bend. That came in very handy for the B&O wagon tops I’ve built, as those sill steps have a unique shape. It’s also good for sill steps with compound curves bending outward then down.
I use YMW 0.030 in. wide tank car strap for brake footings. It’s brass, easy to drill, and about the right size. Before that was available, I saved the strip brass in Westerfield kits for that purpose. I also use Precision Scale brake footings and occasionally left over Westerfield resin brake footings where they’re appropriate.
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2021 11:38 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] End View for Rapido NP Boxcar
Nelson,
I've tried to use the A-Line sill steps but had difficulty drilling the brake staff hole. I find the thinner etched metal fret material easier to drill, plus it's a bit wider than the sill steps. Here's an end view of the B&O M-26b boxcars I recently wrapped up. I used the leftover fret material for the brake staff support on both models. Click on the image for a slightly larger view.
Here's a three-quarter view before paint application.
BTW, attached is an end view of NP 11348 for your archives and to follow closer to the topic. This came from the AC&F collection on the Barriger Library Flickr site.
Eric Hansmann
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Re: more glue questions
Tony Thompson
From my British modelling days 30 years ago I have a bogie open wagon (aka a gondola) plastic kit that had its lead weights glued on the bottom with contact adhesive (Evo-Stick) which now has a banana shaped floor, even though it was completely in the open and not sealed shut.In my youth (not going to do the arithmetic right now), I glued the car weights into Athearn “Blue Box” cars with Goo. In 20 years or so, those floors too were “banana” or other peculiar shapes. Totally ruined, and in most cases distorting the rest of the car body too. BTW, Full agreement about canopy glue. Excellent and versatile stuff. Tony Thompson tony@signaturepress.com
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Re: End View for Rapido NP Boxcar
Looking good Eric, fenton
On Mon, Oct 11, 2021 at 12:38 PM Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:
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Re: End View for Rapido NP Boxcar
Eric Hansmann
Nelson,
I've tried to use the A-Line sill steps but had difficulty drilling the brake staff hole. I find the thinner etched metal fret material easier to drill, plus it's a bit wider than the sill steps. Here's an end view of the B&O M-26b boxcars I recently wrapped up. I used the leftover fret material for the brake staff support on both models. Click on the image for a slightly larger view.
Here's a three-quarter view before paint application.
BTW, attached is an end view of NP 11348 for your archives and to follow closer to the topic. This came from the AC&F collection on the Barriger Library Flickr site.
Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN
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Re: Resin kit collection for sale
Clark Propst
Talked to Carol (Caboose Stop Hobbies) yesterday. She said she was going to show her Westerfield and other resin kits during her Zoom Wednesday evening.
Clark PS she has 6 kits from last week left.
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Re: Using hoarded parts
Clark
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Nice! That car was a cripple, and you have restored it to full service! Tim O'Connor
On 10/11/2021 11:07 AM, Clark Propst
via groups.io wrote:
One more shot before painting, which I've done. The yellow resin box car in the background is one I bought at Caboose Stop Hobbies last Wednesday. I picked up the Ribside at a swap meet yesterday for $5. Plan to detail the underside a bit and renumber. The previous owner kind of botched his renumbering attempt. The M&StL car was a gift from John Golden. It needed some minor repairs and renumbering - I had the same number... --
Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Re: Using hoarded parts
Clark Propst
One more shot before painting, which I've done. The yellow resin box car in the background is one I bought at Caboose Stop Hobbies last Wednesday. I picked up the Ribside at a swap meet yesterday for $5. Plan to detail the underside a bit and renumber. The previous owner kind of botched his renumbering attempt. The M&StL car was a gift from John Golden. It needed some minor repairs and renumbering - I had the same number...
Clark
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Re: End View for Rapido NP Boxcar
A soldering iron works too. It's greener :-)
On 10/10/2021 7:34 PM, Nelson Moyer
wrote:
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Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Re: more glue questions
For hidden weights I like to use DAP silicone caulk which dries hard in about 24 hours. And it's cheap. 😁 Tim O'Connor
On 10/11/2021 1:02 AM, Stanley Agar
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Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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