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Re: CB&Q 50' box car help

Douglas Harding
 

Richard Hendrickson covered modeling the 50’ PK2 car in the following articles.

http://magazine.trainlife.com/rmj_1996_3/ p50

http://magazine.trainlife.com/rmj_1996_9/ p48

 

He put Eastern Car Works National Type B-1s under his CBQ car.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Clark Propst via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2021 6:49 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] CB&Q 50' box car help

 

At a train show last Sunday I picked up a P2K kit of a CB&Q 50’ DD box car for $6. I usually have a RMJ or RP Cyc article of a car I’m modeling, but not this time (unless I missed something?). I cruised through the underframe assemble, but hit a wall on the trucks. Are the kit supplied trucks correct? Maybe or ASF A-3s? I've come to believ 'most' of the stuff in these kits is correct. But the trucks and other parts I'm about to mention are pretty much generic in my opinion. I looked at the B end parts on the sprue. There’s a crude Ajax hand wheel with a gear box that’s (to the best of my knowledge) not Ajax. Is Ajax correct? Is the wood running board correct. Guess that’s what I need to know to finish it?
Clark


Re: CB&Q 50' box car help

Vera Mills
 

Hello,
Thanks to Al Brown, a note saved at the time is as follows:

Re: proto 50' automobile boxcar Burlington

Posted by: "al_brown03" abrown@...   al_brown03

Fri Nov 5, 2010 3:11 am (PDT)

Burlington had two classes of 50' steel auto cars: classes XA-15A (48000-48224 and 49500-49674) and XA-15B (48500-48599). There were re-numberings later. Both series of XA-15A's came with AAR spring plankless trucks (of slightly different types); the XA-15B's came with National Type B trucks. Both classes had end doors; XA-15A's had Evans auto loaders, XA-15B's didn't. This info is from the article in RP CYC 13 on Burlington's steel auto cars.

Al Brown

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Re: CB&Q 50' box car help

Douglas Harding
 

A review of the Proto 2000 cars and its history by Richard Hendrickson is in Railmodel Journal, October, 1995. http://magazine.trainlife.com/rmj_1995_10/ page 20

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Clark Propst via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2021 6:49 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] CB&Q 50' box car help

 

At a train show last Sunday I picked up a P2K kit of a CB&Q 50’ DD box car for $6. I usually have a RMJ or RP Cyc article of a car I’m modeling, but not this time (unless I missed something?). I cruised through the underframe assemble, but hit a wall on the trucks. Are the kit supplied trucks correct? Maybe or ASF A-3s? I've come to believ 'most' of the stuff in these kits is correct. But the trucks and other parts I'm about to mention are pretty much generic in my opinion. I looked at the B end parts on the sprue. There’s a crude Ajax hand wheel with a gear box that’s (to the best of my knowledge) not Ajax. Is Ajax correct? Is the wood running board correct. Guess that’s what I need to know to finish it?
Clark


Re: CB&Q 50' box car help

Nelson Moyer
 

If you give me the road number, I’ll know he class, and then I can look up trucks in the CB&Q truck table.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Clark Propst via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2021 6:49 PM
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Subject: [RealSTMFC] CB&Q 50' box car help

 

At a train show last Sunday I picked up a P2K kit of a CB&Q 50’ DD box car for $6. I usually have a RMJ or RP Cyc article of a car I’m modeling, but not this time (unless I missed something?). I cruised through the underframe assemble, but hit a wall on the trucks. Are the kit supplied trucks correct? Maybe or ASF A-3s? I've come to believ 'most' of the stuff in these kits is correct. But the trucks and other parts I'm about to mention are pretty much generic in my opinion. I looked at the B end parts on the sprue. There’s a crude Ajax hand wheel with a gear box that’s (to the best of my knowledge) not Ajax. Is Ajax correct? Is the wood running board correct. Guess that’s what I need to know to finish it?
Clark


CB&Q 50' box car help

Clark Propst
 

At a train show last Sunday I picked up a P2K kit of a CB&Q 50’ DD box car for $6. I usually have a RMJ or RP Cyc article of a car I’m modeling, but not this time (unless I missed something?). I cruised through the underframe assemble, but hit a wall on the trucks. Are the kit supplied trucks correct? Maybe or ASF A-3s? I've come to believ 'most' of the stuff in these kits is correct. But the trucks and other parts I'm about to mention are pretty much generic in my opinion. I looked at the B end parts on the sprue. There’s a crude Ajax hand wheel with a gear box that’s (to the best of my knowledge) not Ajax. Is Ajax correct? Is the wood running board correct. Guess that’s what I need to know to finish it?
Clark


Re: PS-1 Underframe

Scott H. Haycock
 

Thanks, Al. That's the one I was looking for. 

Scott Haycock
Modeling Tarheel country in the Land of Enchantm
ent

On 10/13/2021 3:29 PM Allan Smith <smithal9@...> wrote:
 
 
 
PS-1 Underframe with 8' door 
 
Al Smith
Sonora Ca
 
On Wednesday, October 13, 2021, 09:44:27 AM PDT, Ed Hawkins <hawk0621@...> wrote:
 
 


On Oct 13, 2021, at 1:58 AM, Scott H. Haycock < shhaycock@...> wrote:

I need an underframe drawing for a 40' PS-1 with an 8' door built in 1954. The model I'm working on is A D&H car. I thought I had a scan from an old MM Article in my computer, but I'm unable to find it.

Any help would be appreciated!
Scott,
In April 1953 with production of 100 PS-1s built in lot 8105, Pullman-Standard introduced a new underframe modification applicable to subsequent PS-1s with door openings of 6’, 7’, and 8'. This new standard u/f design originated with the development and building of an experimental car, PSX-1 (the 2nd) in Job Order No. 36935, in which several other design changes were also made, such as welded seams joining the top & bottom end sheets (vs. riveted) & a change to the bolster design that included wider bolster to side sill connections (i.e., “bolster tabs”). All of these changes were incorporated in the 250 D&H 20000-20249 PS-1s built in lot 8294. 
 
The lot 8105 & subsequent 40’ PS-1s used a “standard spread” of 8’-7 3/4”, measured to the crossbearer vertical webs. Truck centers were 30’-10”. Other applicable underframe dimensions are as follows with dimensions measured from the car center line to the vertical webs of either the crossbearers or floor beams (4” x 8.2 lb. Z). 
 
a. 4’-3 7/8” to crossbearer web.
b. 8’-3 7/8” to 1st floor beam web (closest to car lengthwise center line).
c. 11’-2 3/4” to 2nd floor beam (closest to bolsters).
d. 15’-5” to bolster center line.
 
For drawings I suggest the N&W Historical Society Archives. P-S lots 8261 (N&W 42000-42499, built 8-55) & 8306 (N&W 42500-42899, built 10-56), which were nearly identical to the D&H cars of interest to you. The underframe should be identical. 
 
Underframe & brake arrg’t -  https://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=2679
 
Good luck with your model! 
Regards,
Ed Hawkins
 


Re: PS-1 Underframe

Scott H. Haycock
 

Thanks, Ed!
 
I located the N&W drawings per your recommendation-perfect!
 
I noticed that PS calls the crossbearers 'floor beams'. I looked up both terms in the 1940 CBC, and they appear to not be exactly the same thing. Since the term predates these cars, what, if anything, is the difference?  
 
Scott Haycock

Modeling Tarheel country in the Land of Enchantment

On 10/13/2021 10:44 AM Ed Hawkins <hawk0621@...> wrote:
 
 


On Oct 13, 2021, at 1:58 AM, Scott H. Haycock < shhaycock@...> wrote:
I need an underframe drawing for a 40' PS-1 with an 8' door built in 1954. The model I'm working on is A D&H car. I thought I had a scan from an old MM Article in my computer, but I'm unable to find it.

Any help would be appreciated!
Scott,
In April 1953 with production of 100 PS-1s built in lot 8105, Pullman-Standard introduced a new underframe modification applicable to subsequent PS-1s with door openings of 6’, 7’, and 8'. This new standard u/f design originated with the development and building of an experimental car, PSX-1 (the 2nd) in Job Order No. 36935, in which several other design changes were also made, such as welded seams joining the top & bottom end sheets (vs. riveted) & a change to the bolster design that included wider bolster to side sill connections (i.e., “bolster tabs”). All of these changes were incorporated in the 250 D&H 20000-20249 PS-1s built in lot 8294. 
 
The lot 8105 & subsequent 40’ PS-1s used a “standard spread” of 8’-7 3/4”, measured to the crossbearer vertical webs. Truck centers were 30’-10”. Other applicable underframe dimensions are as follows with dimensions measured from the car center line to the vertical webs of either the crossbearers or floor beams (4” x 8.2 lb. Z). 
 
a. 4’-3 7/8” to crossbearer web.
b. 8’-3 7/8” to 1st floor beam web (closest to car lengthwise center line).
c. 11’-2 3/4” to 2nd floor beam (closest to bolsters).
d. 15’-5” to bolster center line.
 
For drawings I suggest the N&W Historical Society Archives. P-S lots 8261 (N&W 42000-42499, built 8-55) & 8306 (N&W 42500-42899, built 10-56), which were nearly identical to the D&H cars of interest to you. The underframe should be identical. 
 
Underframe & brake arrg’t -  https://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=2679
 
Good luck with your model! 
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: PS-1 Underframe

Scott H. Haycock
 

Hi Tim,
 
I'll pull that issue out, thanks.
 
Do any of the PS-1 model makers produce the late underframe with 3 floor stringers on each side of the centerbeam?

Scott Haycock
Modeling Tarheel country in the Land of Enchantm
ent

On 10/13/2021 9:48 AM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:
 
 

The article you remember is from the May 1993 Mainline Modeler.

But... why not just turn a Kadee or Intermountain or Tangent PS-1 box car upside down? The central cross bearers
may need to be relocated to the corners of the doors, but other than that...

Tim O'Connor


On 10/13/2021 2:58 AM, Scott H. Haycock wrote:
Folks,

I need an underframe drawing for a 40' PS-1 with an 8' door built in 1954. The model I'm working on is A D&H car. I thought I had a scan from an old MM Article in my computer, but I'm unable to find it.

Any help would be appreciated!

Scott Haycock

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


WTB: Sunshine ART Wood Reefer

 

Group, Looking to buy a Sunshine 14.1 or 14.2 ART Wood Reefer

 

 Please contact me off list

 

Thanks

Rich Christie

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Re: more glue questions

Dan Mansfield
 

My go to is two component epoxy cement.  It sticks anything to anything.


Photo: Abraham Bros. Refrigerator Line Reefer ABRX 100

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Abraham Bros. Refrigerator Line Reefer ABRX 100

Photo courtesy of the New York Central System Historical Society:

https://nycshs.omeka.net/items/show/96854

ABRX reporting mark assigned to Merchants Despatch Transportation Corp. and Abraham Brothers Packing Co.

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Re: Resin kit collection for sale

Todd Sullivan
 

Hi Clark,

Yep, that's resin's siren call to many of us.  Hard to resist.  Fortunately for me, most OOP resin kit prices are beyond my limit for modeling expenditures, and they don't compete well with other needs such as lumber, track (very hard to get now), locos and decoders.

Todd Sullivan
still building a Portland OR based layout in far north Dallas, TX


Re: Photos of NC&StL 70100-70199 and SP&S 32005-32054 41' Flatcar Ends

Ray Breyer
 



Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL


On Wednesday, October 13, 2021, 07:16:42 PM CDT, Ray Carson via groups.io <prewarupmodeler@...> wrote:


Hello,

I've been looking for photos of NC&StL and SP&S 41' flatcar ends but I couldn't find any. I've been working on the Tichy 41' flatcar kit with plans of turning it into an SP&S prototype. Issue is that I don't have any good photos of what the ends of these cars look like (especially for coupler cuts and brake hoses). Richard Hendrickson's photos and models in Prototype Modeler June 1993 issue are too hard to tell how the cuts and hoses are placed other than a photo of a StLSW car which doesn't seem close to how the ends appear for NC&StL and SP&S's photos. Photos of either or both the NC&StL and SP&S prototypes would be great.

Thanks, Ray


Re: Resin kit collection for sale

Clark Propst
 

Took a quick glance at last evenings zoom thingy on Utube and saw several resin kits that weren't out when I was there. I need to go back and pause on them, might be something I can't live without.....
Clark Propst


Re: On-Line Book: 100 Years of Railroad Cars

Charlie Vlk
 

All-

 

First, there is a free online download for HathiHelper, a program where you start at the first page of a document you would like to have as a pdf.  Cut and paste the address of the first page and follow the program setup.  It will work in the background, copying each page and, at the end, assemble all the pages into a single pdf.   I have downloaded railroad journals and books running over a thousand pages using it.

 

Hathi has many railroad histories, runs of railroad trade and union journals, and other material like county and city histories that are valuable for railroad research.  WARNING:  HathiTrust can have a negative impact on your available leisure time, so tread carefully!!!

 

Between Google, HathiTrust, and the Linda Hall Digital Library one can assemble a good library of railroad journals.  Just a few short years ago one would have to make research trips to a myriad of libraries and try to copy material page by page.  While the copies are not always complete (people doing the scanning or original microfilming often left the inserts folded in the binding (if they had not already been cut out and stolen from the library) they are for the most part complete and a valuable resource.

 

Jstore is another goldmine of information.  The best portal is your library card if your local library offers it as a digital resource.

 

Second, a story of missed youthful opportunity….  I attended Brook Park Elementary in La Grange Park, Illinois during the mid 1950s.  One of my classmates was Bob Lucas…..whose father had an HO layout and worked for Simmons-Boardman in Chicago, publisher of Railway Age.  His dad must have been Walter Lucas!  Shoulda Woulda Coulda……

 

Charlie Vlk

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2021 8:02 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] On-Line Book: 100 Years of Railroad Cars

 

Hi Bob and List Members,

 

Thanks Bob for locating this valuable reference book online

 

I will add that if you are a member of Hathi Trust, and you log in to Hathi Trust with your login ID, you can download the entire book in PDF format, which I find to be considerably more convenient than using a web browser

 

Claus Schlund

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2021 8:06 PM

Subject: [RealSTMFC] On-Line Book: 100 Years of Railroad Cars

 

On-Line Book: 100 Years of Railroad Cars

Book by Walter Arndt Lucas

Published 1958

https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015006059086&view=1up&seq=9

Illustrated. Also available as plain text.

Table of Contents

https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015006059086&view=1up&seq=15&skin=2021&q1=railroad

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, Ca


Re: On-Line Book: 100 Years of Railroad Cars

Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
 


Hi Bob and List Members,
 
Thanks Bob for locating this valuable reference book online
 
I will add that if you are a member of Hathi Trust, and you log in to Hathi Trust with your login ID, you can download the entire book in PDF format, which I find to be considerably more convenient than using a web browser
 
Claus Schlund
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2021 8:06 PM
Subject: [RealSTMFC] On-Line Book: 100 Years of Railroad Cars

On-Line Book: 100 Years of Railroad Cars

Book by Walter Arndt Lucas

Published 1958

https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015006059086&view=1up&seq=9

Illustrated. Also available as plain text.

Table of Contents

https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015006059086&view=1up&seq=15&skin=2021&q1=railroad

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, Ca


Re: Photos of NC&StL 70100-70199 and SP&S 32005-32054 41' Flatcar Ends

Tim O'Connor
 

On 10/13/2021 8:16 PM, Ray Carson via groups.io wrote:

Hello,

I've been looking for photos of NC&StL and SP&S 41' flatcar ends but I couldn't find any. I've been working on the Tichy 41' flatcar kit with plans of turning it into an SP&S prototype. Issue is that I don't have any good photos of what the ends of these cars look like (especially for coupler cuts and brake hoses). Richard Hendrickson's photos and models in Prototype Modeler June 1993 issue are too hard to tell how the cuts and hoses are placed other than a photo of a StLSW car which doesn't seem close to how the ends appear for NC&StL and SP&S's photos. Photos of either or both the NC&StL and SP&S prototypes would be great.

Thanks, Ray

--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


Photos of NC&StL 70100-70199 and SP&S 32005-32054 41' Flatcar Ends

Ray Carson
 

Hello,

I've been looking for photos of NC&StL and SP&S 41' flatcar ends but I couldn't find any. I've been working on the Tichy 41' flatcar kit with plans of turning it into an SP&S prototype. Issue is that I don't have any good photos of what the ends of these cars look like (especially for coupler cuts and brake hoses). Richard Hendrickson's photos and models in Prototype Modeler June 1993 issue are too hard to tell how the cuts and hoses are placed other than a photo of a StLSW car which doesn't seem close to how the ends appear for NC&StL and SP&S's photos. Photos of either or both the NC&StL and SP&S prototypes would be great.

Thanks, Ray


On-Line Book: 100 Years of Railroad Cars

Bob Chaparro
 

On-Line Book: 100 Years of Railroad Cars

Book by Walter Arndt Lucas

Published 1958

https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015006059086&view=1up&seq=9

Illustrated. Also available as plain text.

Table of Contents

https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015006059086&view=1up&seq=15&skin=2021&q1=railroad

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, Ca


Photo: Lewis Newhof & Son Reefer LNX 102

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Lewis Newhof & Son Reefer LNX 102

Photo courtesy of the New York Central System Historical Society:

https://nycshs.omeka.net/items/show/130329

LNX reporting mark assigned to Lewis Newhof & Son Refrigerator Line and Merchants Despatch, Inc.

10 S. Pearl St., Albany, New York

Railroad: Delaware & Hudson

Weekly killing capacity (1922) Cattle, 200.

 

By-Products — Tankage and hog and chicken feed.

Bob Chaparro

Moderator

Railway Bull Shippers Group

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