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Spokane Portland & Seattle Steel Boxcar 12900

Lester Breuer
 

I have completed the build of a Spokane, Portland & Seattle Steel (SP&S) box car,  I numbered 12900.  My build was done using the recent James Kinkaid article in the August 2021 RMC on this car series.  I cast resin ends, roof and doors, applied car body details, photo etch ladders with wire ladder rungs, under body details, Archer rivets, etc. And, SP&S lettering and paint.  If you are interested, photos and write up are now available on my blog I have to share photos and writeup of modeling projects on my Minneapolis & Northland Railroad Company.  If would like to take a look please do at the following link:

 

http://mnrailroadcab100.blogspot.com/

 

Lester Breuer

 
Truck Color Questions

Nelson Moyer
 

As a break from building boxcars, I started two RCW gondolas, the MILW 80000 series and the NYC 324000 Series. Both cars were painted freight car red as built. Instructions are silent about truck color, so were they black or freight car color? The MILW rib side cars I built had freight car color trucks, but I don’t know about gondolas

 

Nelson Moyer
Re: Paint scheme for Westerfield #6702 North Western Refrigerator AC&F Type 3 reefer car, NWX

Dennis Storzek
 

Oh, cool. Look at the lower end of the brake staff on NWX 5094.

Dennis Storzek
Re: [EXT] [RealSTMFC] Paint scheme for Westerfield #6702 North Western Refrigerator AC&F Type 3 reefer car, NWX

Bruce Smith
 

Chuck,

The scheme is well represented in RP Cyc, volume 4, if you have that.

Regards,
Bruce Smith
temporarily in Boulder Co.

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Chuck Cover <chuck.cover@...>
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Subject: [EXT] [RealSTMFC] Paint scheme for Westerfield #6702 North Western Refrigerator AC&F Type 3 reefer car, NWX
 
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Group,

I now have on order the Westerdield decals for this model but would like some advice on colors for the paint scheme.  I am looking at the original scheme that I believe was gray sides with boxcar red/brown ends and sides.  It also looks like there is a red/brown panel below the door and possibly along the bottom of the sides.  I do not have the Westerfield instructions and cannot find prototype photos.  Any advice would be appreciated.  Thanks

Chuck Cover
Santa Fe, NM

Re: Paint scheme for Westerfield #6702 North Western Refrigerator AC&F Type 3 reefer car, NWX

O Fenton Wells
 

Will these help?
Fenton

On Sun, Oct 24, 2021 at 10:40 AM Chuck Cover <chuck.cover@...> wrote:
Group,

I now have on order the Westerdield decals for this model but would like some advice on colors for the paint scheme.  I am looking at the original scheme that I believe was gray sides with boxcar red/brown ends and sides.  It also looks like there is a red/brown panel below the door and possibly along the bottom of the sides.  I do not have the Westerfield instructions and cannot find prototype photos.  Any advice would be appreciated.  Thanks

Chuck Cover
Santa Fe, NM



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Re: Paint scheme for Westerfield #6702 North Western Refrigerator AC&F Type 3 reefer car, NWX

Douglas Harding
 

Here is one I have in the color scheme you mentioned.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chuck Cover
Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2021 9:40 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Paint scheme for Westerfield #6702 North Western Refrigerator AC&F Type 3 reefer car, NWX

 

Group,

I now have on order the Westerdield decals for this model but would like some advice on colors for the paint scheme.  I am looking at the original scheme that I believe was gray sides with boxcar red/brown ends and sides.  It also looks like there is a red/brown panel below the door and possibly along the bottom of the sides.  I do not have the Westerfield instructions and cannot find prototype photos.  Any advice would be appreciated.  Thanks

Chuck Cover
Santa Fe, NM

Re: Paint scheme for Westerfield #6702 North Western Refrigerator AC&F Type 3 reefer car, NWX

BRIAN PAUL EHNI
 

I did find this online… Walthers. Reasonably close.

 

 

Thanks!
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Brian Ehni

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From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Chuck Cover <chuck.cover@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Sunday, October 24, 2021 at 9:40 AM
To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Paint scheme for Westerfield #6702 North Western Refrigerator AC&F Type 3 reefer car, NWX

 

Group,

I now have on order the Westerdield decals for this model but would like some advice on colors for the paint scheme.  I am looking at the original scheme that I believe was gray sides with boxcar red/brown ends and sides.  It also looks like there is a red/brown panel below the door and possibly along the bottom of the sides.  I do not have the Westerfield instructions and cannot find prototype photos.  Any advice would be appreciated.  Thanks

Chuck Cover
Santa Fe, NM

Re: Paint scheme for Westerfield #6702 North Western Refrigerator AC&F Type 3 reefer car, NWX

Chuck Cover
 

Thanks Brian.

 

I have photos at home in TN, but I’m in Texas until late tomorrow. 

Thanks!

Brian Ehni 

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Re: Paint scheme for Westerfield #6702 North Western Refrigerator AC&F Type 3 reefer car, NWX

BRIAN PAUL EHNI
 

I have photos at home in TN, but I’m in Texas until late tomorrow. 

Thanks!
Brian Ehni 
(Sent from my iPhone)

On Oct 24, 2021, at 9:40 AM, Chuck Cover <chuck.cover@...> wrote:

Group,

I now have on order the Westerdield decals for this model but would like some advice on colors for the paint scheme.  I am looking at the original scheme that I believe was gray sides with boxcar red/brown ends and sides.  It also looks like there is a red/brown panel below the door and possibly along the bottom of the sides.  I do not have the Westerfield instructions and cannot find prototype photos.  Any advice would be appreciated.  Thanks

Chuck Cover
Santa Fe, NM

Paint scheme for Westerfield #6702 North Western Refrigerator AC&F Type 3 reefer car, NWX

Chuck Cover
 

Group,

I now have on order the Westerdield decals for this model but would like some advice on colors for the paint scheme.  I am looking at the original scheme that I believe was gray sides with boxcar red/brown ends and sides.  It also looks like there is a red/brown panel below the door and possibly along the bottom of the sides.  I do not have the Westerfield instructions and cannot find prototype photos.  Any advice would be appreciated.  Thanks

Chuck Cover
Santa Fe, NM
Re: PRR X31A HO cars for sale

Michael Gross
 

I have been having the same trouble, Tim, so just sent Ted a Private Message via RealSTMFC.
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Michael Gross
Pasadena, CA
Re: GM&O GSC 43' Flat Car Build, Bloomington Shops 1951

Dennis Storzek
 

On Sat, Oct 23, 2021 at 07:10 AM, Claus Schlund \(HGM\) wrote:
I would suggest the possibility that the casting was poured without any special accomodation for the holes, and when removed from the mold the holes were drilled at the foundry prior to shipping. The foundry could have a set of pre-made jigs to properly locate the drill and therefore the holes, speeding the process when a large number of castings need to be drilled identically
Yeah, it would be work for a BIG radial drill, but no matter how big, the frame would have to be shifted multiple times. The advantage of a radial drill is for fine adjustment; the heavy part only needs to be shifted for gross positioning, and the drill easily adjusted to hit the spot, so to speak.

Dennis Storzek
Re: GM&O GSC 43' Flat Car Build, Bloomington Shops 1951

Richard Townsend
 

Does anyone know if these cars are to be available again soon?


On Oct 22, 2021, at 12:45 PM, Josh <segorailroadmodels@...> wrote:



The thin decks are a deficiency that has since been fixed. There is no reason to worry about it on future runs - the GSI 53'6" bulkhead flatcars had the new decks and I am told that future releases of the standard flatcar will also have deck sheets of the correct thickness.

If it wasn't obvious by the title of my message, yes, we are referring to what ExactRail called the 42' flatcar. It's actually slightly longer, since 42' is the length of usable deck that Union Pacific listed in their rosters and ORER entries. The GM&O car is exactly the same, but they measured to end of the wood planking instead of ends of the entire deck including the steel framing hence being called a "41-foot car".

Josh B
Re: Large Model: MDT Reefer #9000

Mike Williams
 

The first (indoor) photo was taken when it was on display at the Rochester station. The arched tile behind it was a drinking fountain.
Re: Large Model: MDT Reefer #9000

Mike Williams
 

The model is still on display in the East Rochester Town Hall. It has different paint schemes on opposite sides.
FS: HO Cars for sale

Brian Carlson
 

All: Have a few more cars to sell due to back dating and Rapido. Just 3 listed below. 

Sunshine Kit 62.1 UTLX 10k X-3 $45 (Now that Rapido announced theirs this is is something that probably would never get built so if you like building, here you go.)
Red Caboose 40' ACF Box Car 6' Door 4/3/1/ ends C&S 1652 May 1957 build. Built $20
Red caboose 40' ACF Box Car 6' Door 4/3/1/ ends undec kit $15

Paypal or check, Shipping via USPS Priority Mail 
Contact me OFF LIST at prrk41361 AT yahoo DOT com. 
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Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY
Re: GM&O GSC 43' Flat Car Build, Bloomington Shops 1951

mopacfirst
 

If these were sand castings, even with resin binder as is common now, it might be kind of tricky to insert that many cores for the holes.

I still wonder if there are photos of the casting process.  I've been in lots of foundries pouring pressure castings, which are not that different from flatcars in terms of the technique, but we might be able to get a clue if we can approach an existing one.  I'll look around in central Kansas.

Ron Merrick
Re: GM&O GSC 43' Flat Car Build, Bloomington Shops 1951

Tim O'Connor
 



GSC castings had MANY holes in them... maybe their abilities had something to do with their success


On 10/23/2021 10:10 AM, Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) wrote:

Hi Dennis and List Members,
 
Dennis wrote: "if you zoom in close to the nearest frame, the deck holes are already present"
 
As are holes in the stake pockets and other locations.
 
Dennis further wrote: "I would assume they were cast in"
 
If they were cast in, that would indicate that the mold material would be trapped against the car body casting and also in the holes themselves. I suspect there would be a high rate of mold failures where the holes are supposed to end up being, no?
 
I would suggest the possibility that the casting was poured without any special accomodation for the holes, and when removed from the mold the holes were drilled at the foundry prior to shipping. The foundry could have a set of pre-made jigs to properly locate the drill and therefore the holes, speeding the process when a large number of castings need to be drilled identically
 
Claus Schlund
 


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts
Re: GM&O GSC 43' Flat Car Build, Bloomington Shops 1951

Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
 


Hi Dennis and List Members,
 
Dennis wrote: "if you zoom in close to the nearest frame, the deck holes are already present"
 
As are holes in the stake pockets and other locations.
 
Dennis further wrote: "I would assume they were cast in"
 
If they were cast in, that would indicate that the mold material would be trapped against the car body casting and also in the holes themselves. I suspect there would be a high rate of mold failures where the holes are supposed to end up being, no?
 
I would suggest the possibility that the casting was poured without any special accomodation for the holes, and when removed from the mold the holes were drilled at the foundry prior to shipping. The foundry could have a set of pre-made jigs to properly locate the drill and therefore the holes, speeding the process when a large number of castings need to be drilled identically
 
Claus Schlund
 
 

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On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 06:23 PM, mopacfirst wrote:
I presume the railroad drilled all the holes for stirrup steps, route card boards, and so forth.  Did that include the couple of hundred holes for anchoring the decking?  More to the point, can someone point me to detail photos of the castings in progress at GSC?
I would assume they were cast in. This picture:
http://idaillinois.org/digital/collection/p16614coll56/id/7258/rec/9
Seems to have been taken right after unloading, and if you zoom in close to the nearest frame, the deck holes are already present.

Dennis Storzek

C&A freight cars

Eric Hansmann
 

A new freight car fleet resource has been added to my DesignBuildOp blog. Ray Breyer summarized the Alton fleet of the 1920s. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN
5501 - 5520 of 193388