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Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Rapido X31a PRR boxcar - roof question

Eric Hansmann
 

Todd,

 

I tint my post-decal flat coat with the car color to reduce the lettering whiteness. I add a couple drop of the car color in the paint cup with Model Master clear flat acryl. Stir well and you can see the hazy flat turn into the hazy car color. This is now my first weathering step. Here are a few hoppers that have had the lettering faded.

http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/2021/07/03/weathering-progress/

 

In many cases, the tinted flat coat is a more subtle change. There are before and after photos in this blog post.

http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/2017/04/21/southern-pacific-a-50-5-automobile-box-car/

 

Sadly, in April 2020 parent company Testors announced the Model Master paint line will be discontinued. If there are specific MM colors or products you like to use, stock up while you can.

 

I have a bottle of Vallejo Matt Varnish on hand to try soon. Others have used Krylon products for the flat coat, but I think those are only available in rattle cans.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Todd Sullivan via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2021 3:12 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Rapido X31a PRR boxcar - roof question

 

Eldon,

I thought your weathering of the X31 in coal tar chip service was right on.  Somewhere, I found a photo of adingle door car tht had weathered right down to bare rusted metal, with that bluish purple tone on much of the surface.  I started an undecorated Bowser model and painted one side in PollyScale, no lettering.  Wasn't sure how I would do the lettering later - maybe heavily sanded decals.  Anyway, thanks for the cameo on how these cars were used. thanks for

Todd Sullivan


Re: Can someone comment on what the exact meaning of the shown hand signal is?

Gary Roe
 

Claus,

When I worked for a railroad back in the 70's, riding on the top of cars was not done, of course.  However, some of the older fellows used a signal similar to the one shown; but it has to be animated to be shown properly.  They would stretch their arms out like that to indicate that the cut was nearing where they wanted to stop.  The Engineer would start slowing down.  Then, as the cut got within a car length or so, the Switchman would rock his body side to side, bending at the waist, arms still outstretched.  The Engineer would start applying the brakes.  Just before the cut reached where they wanted it to stop, the Switchman would drop both arms in the traditional "stop" signal.  Hope you can get the idea from my description.

gary roe
quincy, illinois



On Wednesday, October 27, 2021, 07:50:39 AM CDT, Claus Schlund \(HGM\) <claus@...> wrote:


Hi List Members,
 
The set of images linked below show a trainman on top of a boxcar giving hand signals to the locomotive crew. The title sez 'Switchman giving the "go ahead" signal on an Indiana Harbor Belt Railroad train'. Can someone comment on what the exact meaning of the shown hand signal is?
 
 
 
 
Thanks in advance
 
Claus Schlund


Re: Can someone comment on what the exact meaning of the shown hand signal is?

Edward
 
Edited

I've seen that gesture used on the ground to show how close cars were coming to be coupled.
The brakeman with arms extended would bring both outstetched hands toward each other as the cars were moving to show the relative gap closure, until he grasped both hands to indicate the coulping was achieved. 
Helpful when pushing cars together that were a few car lengths away from the locomotive.

The brakeman could also use that gesture in reverse (hands together then arms spread out), to signal the engneer to pull away as the coupler pin has been lifted. 

I'm not sure why this appears on top of a box car unlss there is another meaning.
It's not the best place to stand and signal a "go ahead".   

Ed Bommer


Re: Can someone comment on what the exact meaning of the shown hand signal is?

Charles Morrill
 

Assuming that the switchman is facing away from the loco: the signal is "easy goes it" "slow down" "one car length to stop".

Charlie


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Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2021 7:50:23 AM
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Can someone comment on what the exact meaning of the shown hand signal is?

Hi List Members,
 
The set of images linked below show a trainman on top of a boxcar giving hand signals to the locomotive crew. The title sez 'Switchman giving the "go ahead" signal on an Indiana Harbor Belt Railroad train'. Can someone comment on what the exact meaning of the shown hand signal is?
 
 
 
 
Thanks in advance
 
Claus Schlund


Re: Can someone comment on what the exact meaning of the shown hand signal is?

radiodial868
 

That must be a staged photo or a lot of artistic license. Even when men were men, you wouldn't stand on top of an icy running board of a car being switched like that. Couldn't see anything from that standpoint anyway.
BTW, this is one of the best explanations of all the signals I've come across, including some that don't show up in the Rues book of the RRs I follow:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBJc1ljBmZk
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RJ Dial

Mendocino, CA


Can someone comment on what the exact meaning of the shown hand signal is?

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
The set of images linked below show a trainman on top of a boxcar giving hand signals to the locomotive crew. The title sez 'Switchman giving the "go ahead" signal on an Indiana Harbor Belt Railroad train'. Can someone comment on what the exact meaning of the shown hand signal is?
 
 
 
 
Thanks in advance
 
Claus Schlund


Re: [EXT] [RealSTMFC] Rapido X31a PRR boxcar - freight car colour?

Robert kirkham
 

Thanks Bruce - for consulting w/ Rapido as well as the answer to my question.   Nice to know I am starting weathering from a good place.

Rob 

On Oct 26, 2021, at 6:59 PM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

Rob,

Disclosure #1 - I advised Rapido on this project as a member of the PRRT&HS Modeling Committee team for the X31A. 

Disclosure #2 - I am chair of the PRRT&HS Paint Committee, so I have access to the full resources of the committee, which aren't yet publicly available, but which we're trying to do.

I photographed a Rapido X31A double door car with the new PRRT&HS color drift cards for 1930s (left) and 1940s (right) Freight Car Color (attached). To my eye, and acknowledging the difficulties in comparing these due to some gloss reflection, the car looks spot on for new 1940s FCC.

My approach to weathing will vary across the cars that I have. I'll use colors across the spectrum, but will generally work to fade lettering, lighten panels, darken seams, and soot up the roofs. 

Weather away!

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


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Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2021 12:25 AM
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Subject: [EXT] [RealSTMFC] Rapido X31a PRR boxcar - freight car colour?
 
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Picked up my X31s today in the circle keystone scheme and was a bit surprised by the colour.   For 1946, how good is this colour to those of you who have studied it?  I’m trying to figure out direction to go when I weather the cars. 

 

Rob Kirkham




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Re: [EXT] [RealSTMFC] Rapido X31a PRR boxcar - freight car colour?

gary laakso
 

Bruce, you have most excellent eyes!  Rapido really did a fine job matching paints.

 

Gary Laakso

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bruce Smith
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2021 7:00 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [EXT] [RealSTMFC] Rapido X31a PRR boxcar - freight car colour?

 

Rob,

 

Disclosure #1 - I advised Rapido on this project as a member of the PRRT&HS Modeling Committee team for the X31A. 

 

Disclosure #2 - I am chair of the PRRT&HS Paint Committee, so I have access to the full resources of the committee, which aren't yet publicly available, but which we're trying to do.

 

I photographed a Rapido X31A double door car with the new PRRT&HS color drift cards for 1930s (left) and 1940s (right) Freight Car Color (attached). To my eye, and acknowledging the difficulties in comparing these due to some gloss reflection, the car looks spot on for new 1940s FCC.

 

My approach to weathing will vary across the cars that I have. I'll use colors across the spectrum, but will generally work to fade lettering, lighten panels, darken seams, and soot up the roofs. 

 

Weather away!

 

Regards,

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL

 


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Robert kirkham <rdkirkham@...>
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2021 12:25 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [EXT] [RealSTMFC] Rapido X31a PRR boxcar - freight car colour?

 

CAUTION: Email Originated Outside of Auburn.

Picked up my X31s today in the circle keystone scheme and was a bit surprised by the colour.   For 1946, how good is this colour to those of you who have studied it?  I’m trying to figure out direction to go when I weather the cars.

 

Rob Kirkham




Re: [EXT] [RealSTMFC] Rapido X31a PRR boxcar - freight car colour?

Bruce Smith
 

Rob,

Disclosure #1 - I advised Rapido on this project as a member of the PRRT&HS Modeling Committee team for the X31A. 

Disclosure #2 - I am chair of the PRRT&HS Paint Committee, so I have access to the full resources of the committee, which aren't yet publicly available, but which we're trying to do.

I photographed a Rapido X31A double door car with the new PRRT&HS color drift cards for 1930s (left) and 1940s (right) Freight Car Color (attached). To my eye, and acknowledging the difficulties in comparing these due to some gloss reflection, the car looks spot on for new 1940s FCC.

My approach to weathing will vary across the cars that I have. I'll use colors across the spectrum, but will generally work to fade lettering, lighten panels, darken seams, and soot up the roofs. 

Weather away!

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Robert kirkham <rdkirkham@...>
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2021 12:25 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [EXT] [RealSTMFC] Rapido X31a PRR boxcar - freight car colour?
 
CAUTION: Email Originated Outside of Auburn.

Picked up my X31s today in the circle keystone scheme and was a bit surprised by the colour.   For 1946, how good is this colour to those of you who have studied it?  I’m trying to figure out direction to go when I weather the cars.

 

Rob Kirkham





Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Rapido X31a PRR boxcar - roof question

Tim O'Connor
 


Dennis that's outstanding and even more amazing that's it pad printed. Might be worthwhile
to buy a laser printer... 😁

Tim O'Connor


On 10/26/2021 5:56 PM, Dennis Storzek wrote:
On Tue, Oct 26, 2021 at 01:30 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
try laser printing "ghost" decals that are so light the weathering shows through them... 😁
Accurail actually did something like this a number of years ago on a custom job for the Soo Line Historical & Technical Society. The prototype was a group of almost new hoppers the Soo bought second hand from the BRC. Since the paint was like new, they just painted over the lettering and re-stenciled them. Twenty years later, the original lettering was showing through.


While these were done by pad printing, the same steps could be done for art for "Ghost toner" decals. This artwork was done in Adobe Illustrator, but Corral Draw and others should have similar settings. The "fill" color was set at a transparency setting somewhat less than 100%, and Eric found a setting that gave a mottled effect. I think they turned out well.

Dennis Storzek

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Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Rapido X31a PRR boxcar - roof question

Dennis Storzek
 

On Tue, Oct 26, 2021 at 01:30 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
try laser printing "ghost" decals that are so light the weathering shows through them... 😁
Accurail actually did something like this a number of years ago on a custom job for the Soo Line Historical & Technical Society. The prototype was a group of almost new hoppers the Soo bought second hand from the BRC. Since the paint was like new, they just painted over the lettering and re-stenciled them. Twenty years later, the original lettering was showing through.


While these were done by pad printing, the same steps could be done for art for "Ghost toner" decals. This artwork was done in Adobe Illustrator, but Corral Draw and others should have similar settings. The "fill" color was set at a transparency setting somewhat less than 100%, and Eric found a setting that gave a mottled effect. I think they turned out well.

Dennis Storzek


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Rapido X31a PRR boxcar - roof question

Jim and Barbara van Gaasbeek
 

Thanks for that information.  How were the coal tar chips unloaded from the car?

 

 

Jim van Gaasbeek

Irvine, CA

 

 


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Rapido X31a PRR boxcar - roof question

Tim O'Connor
 


try laser printing "ghost" decals that are so light the weathering shows through them... 😁


On 10/26/2021 4:11 PM, Todd Sullivan via groups.io wrote:
Eldon,

I thought your weathering of the X31 in coal tar chip service was right on.  Somewhere, I found a photo of adingle door car tht had weathered right down to bare rusted metal, with that bluish purple tone on much of the surface.  I started an undecorated Bowser model and painted one side in PollyScale, no lettering.  Wasn't sure how I would do the lettering later - maybe heavily sanded decals.  Anyway, thanks for the cameo on how these cars were used. thanks for

Todd Sullivan

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Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Rapido X31a PRR boxcar - roof question

Todd Sullivan
 

Eldon,

I thought your weathering of the X31 in coal tar chip service was right on.  Somewhere, I found a photo of adingle door car tht had weathered right down to bare rusted metal, with that bluish purple tone on much of the surface.  I started an undecorated Bowser model and painted one side in PollyScale, no lettering.  Wasn't sure how I would do the lettering later - maybe heavily sanded decals.  Anyway, thanks for the cameo on how these cars were used. thanks for

Todd Sullivan


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Rapido X31a PRR boxcar - roof question

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Bob;

 

That particular car was in a small series of X31a converted from general service cars for coal tar chip service.  They had hatches added to load the chips through a hatch, not the doors.

 

There were a few of these wandering around in my day, and they looked entirely thrashed.

 

Some believed these cars were converted for flour, but I don’t buy it.  They were at the end of service life, and not good enough/tight/clean for flour service.  Besides, the one clear pic shows evidence of the tar drips down the side.

 

Tar chips were commonly used in the day for melting in either roof repair or road repair.  If a few chips missed the hatch, they gradually melted in the sun and dripped down.

 

Oh well.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2021 12:24 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Rapido X31a PRR boxcar - roof question

 

As equipped with roof hatch covers, what commodities did these cars carry?

Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: [EXT] [RealSTMFC] Late 40's to mid 50's military rail movements

Tony Thompson
 

On Oct 18, 2021, Ed Sutorik wrote:

The capacity of the car in the photo reads 140000 pounds. Can you crowd that up to 158000 pounds?
That is only the nominal capacity. Look at the load limit.

Tony Thompson
tony@signaturepress.com


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Rapido X31a PRR boxcar - roof question

Bruce Smith
 

Bob,

 

Coal tar chips.

 

Regards,

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL

 

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Subject: [EXT] Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Rapido X31a PRR boxcar - roof question

 

CAUTION: Email Originated Outside of Auburn.

As equipped with roof hatch covers, what commodities did these cars carry?

Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Help with MEC boxcar color

O Fenton Wells
 

I'm getting ready to do a MEC 1923 ARA (X29) car in the green with yellow logo.  I know TCP makes a green color but I read an article about a better green paint that wsn't a railroad color in a magazine article.  Of course I cannot find the article as my filing system is just too secure.  I should have worked for NSA.
Can anyone help or give a suggestion to a laquer base dark green for this project.
Thanking all in advance
Fenton


Re: Late 40's to mid 50's military rail movements

O Fenton Wells
 

Amen Chuck


On Tue, Oct 26, 2021 at 12:59 PM Charles Happel via groups.io <cghappel2001=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Tanks for the memories.

Chuck Happel

The world is a dangerous place to live; not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it.

Albert Einstein


On Tuesday, October 26, 2021, 10:17:55 AM EDT, BRIAN PAUL EHNI <bpehni@...> wrote:


Back home from my trip. Here are those M103s.

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of "BRIAN PAUL EHNI via groups.io" <bpehni=gmail.com@groups.io>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Monday, October 18, 2021 at 4:43 PM
To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Late 40's to mid 50's military rail movements

 

While in the future of this list, I photographed several M103s on flat cars in Anniston, GA during a Southern Steam Excursion from Columbus, GA in about 1975.

 

 

Thanks!

Brian Ehni

signature_1680424082

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of "spsalso via groups.io" <Edwardsutorik=aol.com@groups.io>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Monday, October 18, 2021 at 3:13 PM
To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Late 40's to mid 50's military rail movements

 

In 1949, the T43 heavy tank was approved for development.  It eventually became the M103 heavy tank, of which 300 were built.

They weighed about 65 tons.  One fits nicely on the 100 ton flats that are being discussed.

I am sure the Army included the possibility of having to transport heavy tanks like these when they commissioned the flat cars.


Ed

Edward Sutorik



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Re: Late 40's to mid 50's military rail movements

Charles Happel
 

Tanks for the memories.

Chuck Happel

The world is a dangerous place to live; not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it.

Albert Einstein


On Tuesday, October 26, 2021, 10:17:55 AM EDT, BRIAN PAUL EHNI <bpehni@...> wrote:


Back home from my trip. Here are those M103s.

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of "BRIAN PAUL EHNI via groups.io" <bpehni@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Monday, October 18, 2021 at 4:43 PM
To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Late 40's to mid 50's military rail movements

 

While in the future of this list, I photographed several M103s on flat cars in Anniston, GA during a Southern Steam Excursion from Columbus, GA in about 1975.

 

 

Thanks!

Brian Ehni

signature_1680424082

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of "spsalso via groups.io" <Edwardsutorik@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Monday, October 18, 2021 at 3:13 PM
To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Late 40's to mid 50's military rail movements

 

In 1949, the T43 heavy tank was approved for development.  It eventually became the M103 heavy tank, of which 300 were built.

They weighed about 65 tons.  One fits nicely on the 100 ton flats that are being discussed.

I am sure the Army included the possibility of having to transport heavy tanks like these when they commissioned the flat cars.


Ed

Edward Sutorik

1901 - 1920 of 189832